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    • You are more than welcome to start it again, and look like an idiot again.

      It was very interesting when you disappeared suddenly when you were point blank asked about what your credentials were.

      Perfect timing there.

  2. 20. Jaded would take Daryn back in a split second. She’s so blinded by his manipulative and underhanded ways. He’s a liar and a cheat

  4. The problem with many of the comments here is that many of you are stressed out about people you can just ignore or unfriend. The problem with many people on secondlife is that they like watching drama when they have the choice to watch and focus on peace. If someone bothers you, and you don’t like seeing them on your timelines, block, remove and move on with your secondlife. Fill your life with things that make you happy and stop keeping the name of people you don’t alike alive by always talking about them. That’s why when you complain about someone I never take it seriously because the same person you are complaining about is the only one you are watching and always typing here about. You fill your life with these people and some of them are just living their lives and having fun and you are in virtual secrets so miserable.

    • “Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.”

  6. #15 It is fake traffic lol they won’t admit it no one else will shit talk but it’s not actually shit talk its fake bots fake traffic what a shame

  7. I felt the veloure personally I got a brand new head and shape I loved but the first skin I found and liked was a face to go with a veloure ….. Honestly use the skinnery who at least has good details or the brand Deetalz or just make your own body. I don’t want to look like a barbie just to have your cute face skins and makeups for my evox head

  8. #48.
    Truth. I would like to know if you’re a granny with no teeth and zero hygiene!!!

  9. I have to imagine that people like

    #21 and #53 are people who got assmad and upset over being banned from a place or being bullied most of their life on the game so they only come up with accusations as opposed to proof. Proof doesn’t matter to these guys lol it’s all about “he did this trust me bro I know he’s a pedo”. If you’re going to have morbid fantasies of someone being an age player at least have the decency to back up your claims.

    Jesus lol

  10. #42 really is creepy lol, I’m always seeing him creep on various girls on Facebook, I can’t imagine how it would be on SL. He’s as bad as Cody was, sometimes even worse on these poor girls’ posts.  😂  😳 

    • Should ask his ex Barbz he wouldn’t even fuck her. More interested in playing video games and working on his female shit for his avie and bitching about lack of male stuff in SL (which is legit) His homegirl Trixie was trying to suck his cock but doubt that went anywhere or Barbz warned her off one of the two. Dude is legit creepy AF tho.

      • Aser you should know better than bringing myself into this one without asking for permission. For one, I didn’t say we NEVER fucked!
        In all honesty, Aser you’re more creepy than Jay is… All he does is say RAWR. Where as you’re a creepy player!
        Never talk about me again 🙂

      • Honey, I don’t know who you are but if you have a cunt like I do then I am assuming Aser is a male. I have a Vagina just like you do and Jay is creepy AF with the shit he said in my box. Try harder before you cast stone little one. I assure you my cunt is bigger than yours if you want to air it out. Go back in your box where you came from.

      • Well, let me introduce myself… I’m one of the ladies you spoke of in the comments above. Barbz.
        Here’s one thing to think on, are we all not creepy now?!

    • You’re only here to comment on Jay and Daisy. You seem salty. Did he skip over your posts on Facebook? If he bothers you block him.

  11. #60 i’m curious why conejo is here LOL ? seems super random and is extremely hilarious given that everyone there keeps to themselves. are people just mad about anime avatars and people having good harmless fun ? (the answer is yes probably)

    • conejo harbors a lot of shitty people, like Nero Bunny, Guro Bunny, skeletony, for a start. there are a good deal of people associated with conejo that have callouts or are manipulative, shitty people.

  13. #20. Does anyone know Jaded Mutha Fucking Bitch’s SL name? I have to look her up inworld. I wanna look her up in world and check out her profile!!! She’s a crazy old woman!

  14. #52 NO .. If the libs want cultural appropriation then learn it yourselves … Saint Nicholas was not black he was “Greek”. ALSO would be super dope if everyone stopped making a k-pop mockery out of my Korean culture as well  😀  Now you all can go fuck yourselves in the land of make believe cause tbh I’m only posting to see if people get triggered cause honestly fuck culture the libs ruined that ages ago  😥 

    • fuck off with the liberal/conservative bullshit, this is a secondlife gossip site. get politics’ dick out of your mouth..

    • he was around eastern European, but I must to agree, he wasn’t black and it is cultural appropriation, just like toxic cola did and everyone reproduce dressing him in red and white.

  16. #28
    At what point will linden labs stop someone after the 50millionth name change?? Damn karen! Which toejam did you have to suck to get the money for this name change? That’s what I want to know? Who in their right mind is paying constantly for this shit back to back like, shitttt. Idk maybe , just maybe try not to rage at a strip club next time and yell out “Kill yourselves!” and maybe then.. you won’t have to keep BUYING name changes? Just a helpful suggestion ya’know?

    • I wonder if these people realize that it doesn’t really “hide” you or whatever. You might get a way with it for a bit, but someone is gonna look up your key, or from a calling card since you keep those forever. Even AFTER you lose people on your list. Avatar keys are still a thing. LOL! I have known a couple of people that have changed their name more than once and it’s more like, “Oh I want to be called this” type of thing. I’ve got 113 people on my active list but 165 calling cards. wtf. Deleted friends/deleted me.

  17. -28 I was friends with this person before, and they are drama, known for causing havoc. The fact that she he told people to die is very crazy.

  18. #6 I find it really insane that this girl flew to be with someone she loved. Got dropped within days of being there for whatever insane reason and some of you are saying that “well he’s a bad dude so it’s her fault for not seeing the red flags”
    how is that her fault? He obviously made enough promises for someone to fly that distance not realising she’d be abandoned in a foreign country afterwards, love is a promise.

    no one just gets on planes to meet strangers without knowing anything he obviously lied to her about who he was or what his goals were and that fucking sucks

    • Tbf her friends did warn her. Considering he went out with her when she freshly turned 18 (tho seems safer to say she was actually 16 or 17 regardless his intentions were deviant) I think he knew she was body checking as well so he knew she was emotionally vulnerable.
      Not to mention she herself chatted to minors quite a few times.
      typical furry shit tho. Gotta meet with ur LDR partners before you even consider moving in.

      • You’ve got the wrong person completely.
        Squid is in her 20s (23) and they were only dating for two years.

        The age difference between them was a lot but not illegal. No minors involved.

  19. Clearly Second Life is impacting the real life of some of you.
    Turn the computer off and walk away. None of this is serious. None of this matters. Go for a walk.

    • SL is all they got, that’s why they are clinging desperately to the the hope that the new investment company that LL foisted SL on is fixing SL! Like they are still waiting for their boyfriends coming back home from getting milk….4 years ago.

      They really have to convince themselves this is all real, otherwise they would need to face the reality of RL.

      • forget about it… it would be more likely if a new company take whats good in sl and make a great and new and modern metaverse, and that’s not going to happen either. are we seeing the prolonged dead of sl? I don’t know, maybe.

  20. #35 Yes she wanted look like victim but she is only cry baby and toxic bullying Queen. The Chu girl never offended her she only said someone using her name on other website. But Daisy although treat her like shit. I never will support her business anymore. Too toxic person.

    • Petty Chu left a comment to call Daisy fat on her YouTube channel. Daisy took the comment and put it on Facebook and took pictures of petty Chu’s avatar. Petty Chu likes to be petty, and almost always in drama against others for shock value. Now drama is on her head again for something she said. Surprise surprise.

      • Okay? Two wrongs don’t make a right, and honestly I’m sick of seeing people defend Daisy when she’s somehow ALWAYS involved in drama, but isn’t ever the perpetrator to you people lmao. It’s always a defense or an excuse for this toxic ass person.

      • Are you sick or salty? Seems Sick and salty. You realize you do not have to watch these people? You can block them or unfriend them. They are not the only people on secondlife Facebook. Find someone else to follow around Facebook if these people are bothering you.

  21. #52 Santas of color— Star Sugar is selling a pack of Santa blow ups that includes 3 skin tones. Absolutely love Star Sugar. They make the cutest stuff at affordable prices. Check them out!!

  22. #20 – Jaded I have never met you but from your responses it seems you are a psychotic woman with some deep rooted anger issues. Like this web site says if the content triggers you seek help. People need to stop blaming your ex when clearly it’s you with the psychotic moments. Seek help and may God bless you

    • I added fuel to many fires bitch!! if a post is about me damn straight ima be saying something! you will never shut me up!!!! idgaf how special you people think you are!! You all on here posting shit about people you have no clue about! Stop playin the card!!! you lost!

      • “MUTHA FUCKING CLASSY BITCH”: Tell us you’re ratchet without telling us you’re ratchet.

    • My guess is it’s the same person who posted the secret posting as Jaded MFCB in response. Crazy ass people here.

      • #20. It’s Jaded responding, she had it in her profile also. I know her well.

      • She posts these rants in her profile Don’t try to pretend it isn’t her. They’re word for word. Mental health is a serious issue. I wish her the best of luck

  23. #4 & #5: LOL.
    #10: Coming from myself as a black person, that butler is fuckin’ white. Yikes, you sound dumb.
    #12: Just slap on the hud and go, jesus.
    #27: Uh..
    #31 So make a SL Facebook account.
    #47 Stop being cheap, be glad there’s a sale in the first place and pull that entitled stick out of your ass.
    #50 The Velour Ipanema skins are cute, stop shitting on creators just because you don’t prefer the skin. There’s plenty other people that do. Slap on a realistic body overlay and stop crying.
    #52 I’d love that.

  24. 25 – date a starter pack noob then and you better not look like a model as well <.<
    47 – then dont shop there your secret wasn’t needed
    53- just because these guys arent 20 foot giants dont make them teens they look far from it. get a grip. if teens look like 40 yr men in the face thats a serious problem.

  25. #6

    He treated her horribly from what I’ve heard from whispers of others. (I know gossip is bad but I tried reaching out to Squid and got ignored).

    Couldn’t imagine being a 40 year old man and destroying a 20 something year old woman’s self worth like that and then already hopping into new “furry girls” DMs whilst this girl seems broken up every single day.

    Just fucking horrible.

    You’re not the hot shit you think you are Timbre, nobody will tolerate you once it all comes to surface.

    • if he already moved on then to who?

      who is he talking to?

      everyone always talks about these two but nobody ever has proof of anything

      mad they called you a zoophile?

    • he dated her when she was 17 tho. and she seems to be just as creepy as him.

      • Courtney stop sockpuppeting. Your old tumblr has your IRL age lol. Timbre is a PoS and most folks kno it and even his own pals.

  26. #20 Obviously Jaded craves attention so whoever is putting her here is feeding into her insecurities. She changed her screen name to SL Famous, ~smdh. No respect for her anymore since she maried Daryn Clayton who is a manipulator and plays on multiple alts. Family or not it’s a match made in heaven

    • Oh honey i got no insecurities….im feeding fuel into the fire and yall stupid enough to respond to it!!!

      • Ummm, seems to me Hun these are responses from you….

        You are the one making a fool out of yourself

      • You DEFINITELY DO NOT sound classy, bitch though? yes, most definitely. You sound like every person that’s been on the Jerry Springer show.

    • Oh and honeeeyyyy get back on ya alts i know exactly who ya are!!!! dab!!!

    • oh and one more thanggggg sweetie!! If ya stupid asses never posted about me..y’all haters that is all you are!! No one pays attention to y’all so ya try and bring other people down to your pos levels!!!! So you brought it all on yourself! You opinions of me i don’t mind…i don’t mind and YOU CERTAINLY DONT MATTER!

  27. how come iv never herd of any of this people ever! in 7 years in SL iv never run into any of the people being posted here like ever

    • I’ve been in almost 17 and I haven’t heard of any of them either lol. Actually none of the people being listed as cheaters or liars or drama queens. Maybe we just run in a better class of people then these lowlifes.

  28. #6

    No, not really. Never liked him and it seems he’s shown his true colors. If someone breaks up with you days after having you fly to a different country to see him, why would you even want to get back together? She doesn’t deserve that.

    • I have a lot of stories about the guy. Trust us – he has not done this for the first time, and I could bet my full account that it won’t be the last. Squid deserves better, and I trust that she will.

      • if he was such a shitty person and all these things happened why did nobody warn her? just wondering.

      • I wouldn’t 100% know because I’m not that close to them – I am just close with a source that has a source that knows her a little bit more and could piece together the entire situation via context and gossip.
        I’ve also heard about several Timbre stories, enough to realize the guy is stuck in this cycle of relationships.

        My speculation is that maybe someone did warned her – but she chose to ignore it out of infatuation and love.
        “He’s different with me – he has changed” is a very common phrase for a reason. Not the best of the reasons, mind you.
        Of course, I’m not saying you should never ever trust and love a person with a spotty past – but you sure as fuck need to be able to see the red flags if they start to wave.

        Also, it doesn’t mean that Timbre is a BAD person per se – it just means that he (and Squid for that matter) should really, really, REALLY reflect on what is a relationship and what they’re looking on it.

        Again, I only wish the best for everyone.

    • Breaking up with someone when you realize they’re not “it” now makes you tha bad guy? That’s a hot take. If you don’t want to get dumped after making the adult decision to fly somewhere, you should probably look for a potential partner nearby.

      • “it” enough to fuck tho? men never fail to impress me with how cruel they are

        the victim complex here is just wounded dog behaviour on his behalf.

      • You really think us not minding to blow your back out equals us wanting you marry you? lmao

      • This is a disgusting comment. Tell me it’s small without telling me that it’s small.

      • To be in a relationship with someone for two years and then dump them merely days after they fly over to a different country to see you? Yeah, that does make him the “bad guy” here.

      • So 2 years is your point of no return where no matter what you’re not allowed to break up anymore? Man you people really need to regain your grasp on reality.

        Oh also

  29. Candy Cane Kush is the biggest walking piece of trailer trash on the whole grid. She is a relationship ruining monster, she sounds like Marge Simpson trying to be sexy and she cannot sing for peanuts. A horrible wife and mother who promised her husband she would not be a whore on SL but that lasted all about 5 minuten.

    Stay clear of this walking singing STD everyone.

    • someone is jelly much Your talking about someone that aint even on the page get a life weirdo

    • Candy is literally the nicest person on sl…you just sound dumb…stfu

  30. #53 – Atakapa isn’t really a gay sex sim… and that’s what every “twink” at that place looks like. They’re not pedophiles… they’re just sad 50 year old white guys who wish they were 19 year old asian guys.

  31. #1 https://ahseeit.com//king-include/uploads/2020/10/thumb_120772104_2756204994668186_4181430314510160867_n-3349047289.jpg

    #39 There are people who have no arms and paint with their feet, or who have no legs and climb mt everest, you want to tell me someone is unable to manually input numerical values on some av sliders? lol
    The person with 2 jobs probably couldn’t care less what some unemployed tard on SL thinks of their avi anyway.

    Mediocre virtue signal, 4/10

  33. #26 – I was with you.. until you yourself made it political. No one wants to talk about covid but when I see it come up, it’s usually because the person bringing it up has covid, has a family member/friend/co-worker fighting covid, had a covid scare, or just lost someone to covid. I’m not going to tell them to “shut up”, they may need someone to talk to.

    Anyone who wants to debate sides is gonna do it whether you like it or not and your own post is baiting that discussion.

  35. #35
    Ok so know the context behind all that before you bring your little wholier than thou crap, this person started on Daisy calling her all sorts of names, all Daisy did was call her shit back, maybe didn’t do it in the best way but she’s allowed to freaking stick up for herself when she’s getting bullied by a stick figure like that. Plus nothing Daisy said is false the girl does look all kinds of anorexic it’s not a good look at all!

    #43
    Ummmm do you know Anime at all, that’s supposed to be a adult Chibi-Usa and a human Pegasus from Sailor Moon, it’s been floating around for years, Daisy didn’t come up with it. It’s from bloody Deviant Art
    This is who it’s supposed to be of – https://c.tenor.com/k3ZBT6lQLIgAAAAC/sailor-moon-sailor-chibi-moon.gif
    Pegasus/Helios – https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Sailor-Moon-Eternal-Helios.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5

      • Exactly it’s been going around for years as fan art, people have been putting Helios and a grown up Chibi Usa together for as long as I remember.

        Heck they do the exact same with Sesshomaru and Rin lol.

    • 35# but I did read her status I noticed that only Daisy was hateful and toxic. Maybe you didn’t see the right status. Because she was bullying the Chu alot.

      • I also read the status posts that Daisy put up as well including shots of the mean awful comments that Petty Chu put about Daisy, she was bullying Daisy so Daisy retaliated back simple as that.

    • Chibi is actually 900 years old but stuck in a child like form. That image is from the new sailor moon eternal movie on Netflix. It’s where the unicorn turned into a human boy form (not adult) and kissed her to show her she was loved. Not everything is about age play and pedo’s.

      • Which image are you talking about the one linked above cause yeah I took that from a more recent image but the one in the actual list. I think that’s more fan art or looks more fan art too me. People have been doing fan art of Chibi Usa and Helios (the unicorn) for years.

    • Nope, that is not Black Lady in the picture. It’s obciously Chibi Usa. Though it does look to me like she’s older in the picture than she is in the show as Chibi Usa.

    • Ok, Daisy. The fact being that you’re constantly involved in drama, constantly being hateful to others, all while playing the victim….it’s not a good look, baby. I don’t know how anybody still supports you…it’s made me lose all hope for the secondlife community. You constantly post about how others are pedo supporters, body shame other’s avatars, and you even doxxed a friend of your ex’s, divulging that she had a baby IRL when that wasn’t your information to give out on a public post (the post has since been deleted but she showed it to me and a few others, as it was absolutely appalling), but sure, go off about how you’re the victim, once again. I’m thoroughly convinced you’re just a narcissist and I will die on this hill. You cannot change my mind. I steer far away from you and anything involved with you, and it seems that’s for a good and valid reason.

  36. #6 – other people’s relationships ending is not your business. It’s their business.

    • yes and who TF cares anyways?? and who knows those jane and joe does??

      • who comments on a secret just to say they dont know what people are talking about

        grandma are you off your meds again

  37. Holy shit, I never thought he was cringy enough to make a secret like that. I’m kinda happy I was wrong. I mean, I guess that’s what happens when you’re an unemployed boob with endless free time on your hands, so I should have seen it coming. The guy just can’t stop exposing more and more of his asshole though.

    I think I’ve figured out why he’s so salty. The idea that people might be making more money and being more successful than he is while on a platform like SL without jumping through all the arbitrary hoops he set for himself for his “career” probably stings. It’s so hard to see other people succeeding while he spins his wheels. It’d explain why the only references to success and luxury he can think of when he’s being “clever” is “derp, go-kart vs Ferrari”.

    And he’s still crying about anonymity. On a site where you’re supposed to post anonymously. He’s probably not grasping it because his two brain cells are busy coming up with delusions to keep his ego inflated while remembering he needs to breathe.

    And let’s add “ableist” to the “misogynist” label he’s known for; using ‘retarded’ as an insult in 2021. There’s not a single likeable side to this self-aborbed chud.

    I am so ready to laugh at this guy for another week. Apologies to all the other secrets, he’ll probably fill the comments this week, but at least it’ll be entertaining. One day he might get it through his head he’s not really well-liked here and go do something not related to the “cesspool” he didn’t succeed on.

  38. #18
    im surprised that FH is still standing since they’ve had so many changes in management. where did they even find this bitch anyway? A group of us came over from hawthrone looking forward to going to vandermore and were met by this weird bitch who was just completely rude to anyone! we had lived in fh before but never saw her! we tooo wanted to start a greek organization but then we couldn’t because she was being nasty to us about our secret society too! alice made her a fucking gm because they’re the fucking same. she doesn’t care about anything or anyone else. why is she even here???? taissa had the right idea when she jumped ship

  39. #24

    Damn yo!!

    laffible!

    week after WEAK u tryn to mess with the Always@ rep, but ur game is WEAK.

    soggy noggin, yo!

    Soggy

    Noggin

    So i’m callin GAME OVR milkman, cream on da carpet!!

    F’REEL

    Lemme break it DOWN, while i get DWON.

    Always@ means, always@
    Always@ da ready
    Always@ da Lusty
    Always down to clap trap
    Always down to hit dat
    Always @ don stan around alot
    Always@ aint no betty boop bot!

    F’REEL

    Bots cant do the mic drop, but an Always@ can and n Always@ WILL

    sooooooOOOoooooo……

    ~mic drop~

    n im OUT!!!

    PIECE!!

    • You really make me feel like I need to give you spelling lessons
      mic drop moron

      • I can’t pick my favorite part but that “PIECE” is lookin’ mighty fine. XD

  40. #26. The only reason someone would post this is to start a “heated” argument involving politics. You are part of the problem KAREN!
    #37 🤣😂🤣

  41. #31 This place was still in operation?

    #51 Damn, all the ageplay rumors surrounding Cedar died since whoever hates pimple faced kid disappeared and now here comes another one.

  42. 5. Have you ever heard of linking objects? 

    21. a) that literally doesn’t look like her b) making shitty jokes like this just tells me that you care more about your moral superiority than you do about actual child victims. You don’t get to use an actual murder to stroke your soapbox obsession.

  43. #20. I wonder if this is the same Jade I have heard so much about. She seems to get around a lot and her Flickr is spooky. #notalent.

    • #20. Probably same Jaded. I knew a girl that dated Daryn / dellard02’s alt. I told her run lmfao.

      • I knew Jaded when my friends went to Merge. Jaded was always friendly and likeable. Alot of respect for her was lost when she married Daryn Clayton. He transformed her into somebody she’s not, he plays and controls women on his numerous alts. Ladies beware!!!!!

      • 20. Jaded, who says we don’t know you? Lmfao. Merge, Ring a bell?!?!??!

      • you DON’T KNOW ME!! y’all are pitiful posting shit about people you don’t know! your RL must really suck! if you have nothing better to do then come on here and TRY and bring people down…funny thing most of yall on here posting shit about others is exactly what you are!!! trifflin pos

      • You MUTHA FUCKERS think you can TEAR me down… y’all a FUCKIN JOKE! I am a CLASSY BITCH and don’t you EVER FUCKING FORGET IT!

      • and if being in 2 sl relationships in 7 years which is the whole time ive been in sl is getting around then you need ya head check you fuckin idiot!!!

      • Aww Regal you just mad.. you didn’t get the chance!!! lmfao! loser! you know shit about me! how may hoes you have in sl??? I’ve been married twice in 7 years in sl… 2 relationships in 7 years both marriages! If that makes me a hoe then ima hoe bitch!

      • I didn’t get the chance cause me and you ain’t related. Lmao. Let me marry one of your sisters and you’ll be interested.

    • says the fucking dummie hiding behind sl secrets be a MAN and come to ma face…y’all have such sad lives if coming on sl secrets to think you can tear people down is a mutha fuckin joke! yo MOMMA must be so proud of you! you pieces of shit, low life’s !!!

    • BUS DRIVER…more like….WINDOW LICKER!! you sitting in your moms basement behind your pc…feeling all high n mighty are ya!!! put ya big boy pants on and be a MAN!!! pos!

  44. #26. I am sorry but if you are a liberal and can’t be bothered to get vaxxed. Please step off and go to the GOP side. ITs where all the tards belong who want nothing but to keep the pandemic going on. I chuckle at you for saying my body is my choice when in fact. You have no issues taking Tylenol or other otc drugs that even to this day scientists don’t know how the human body will react throughout your life. Stay stupid. Wear a mask. You have had no problem taking vaccines in the past but now that the retardos have politicized the pandemic. Now you feel empowered to stand up? Well PLEASE don’t use the ER when you get sick. I am sure you can ride it out at home with some ivermectin. The ER will use tons of drugs that go against your body my choice bullshit to try to save you all the while you are taking up a bed for someone who needs it.

    #31. Ever heard of an SL only Facebook? You do realize thousands of players use these on daily basis right?

    • “bothered to get vaxxed”
      oh that’s not a bother, that’s a death sentence… and you even wrote the same stup!d copy/paste sentence that compares vaccines/drugs with this toxic fluid that has graphene dioxide.

  45. Woodland is pathetic, all of CC rejects, and we all know CHRIS WINCHESTER calls all the shots, if it looks like a chick don’t
    Mean it’s a dude, ahem, fat ass CHRIS

    • wow, you really think Chris Winchester is anywhere near woodland? let alone runs it? now i know you are just delusional. give up the sad obsession, cause you are seriously wrong.
      Woodland is a decent place, has a lot of wrinkles but has potential.

  46. 18. Probably because she is lol, that whole place is filled with shitty people and by whole place I mean the whole management team, that’s one toxic environment you never wanna get involved in, just run while you can!

    • Treyton you just mad nobody wanna suck ya D#$K! poor Treyton coming on SL secrets when you the nasty one!!!! lmfao i love entertain n’ y’all pos! makes my day that you all are thinking of me!!! Im in ya heads!!! lmfao totally!

  48. #6 Just leave them alone, neither need anyone to inject themselves into their relationship. You want to support? Be a good friend and let them heal.

  51. You sound excessively angry there lmao. Nothing was posted out of context, that literally is how retarded you actually sound when you step away and look at the nonsense you post from a distance.

    Now go tell ppl how you could work for Weta or Naughty dog but the only reason you don’t is because you don’t wanna lick their boots and give them control of your “art”. (Using the word art very loosely here) so you upload them to second life and give them to LL instead. LOOLLLL

    Yep …this is actually how dumb you are.

    • I’m not angry. 🙂 You’re just an idiot.

      Also, you do have a lot more control of art and mesh works on SL than within a company. You have the ability to use it in other avenues, control what you make, set your prices, make your brand. You absolutely have a lot more control of your art, are you absolutely stupid?

      If you make things for a studio, it is for the studio. You have no control of it, can’t resell it, port it, or move it anywhere. You can’t use it in other games, sell your models, or anything along those terms because you signed your creative control away. On SL, you do not have these limitations to your art, and therefore you absolutely have complete control of your content.

      In section 2.3 of Linden Lab’s TOS, any monkey with any sort of knowledge in contract law or just a minor hankering at what business law is can clearly see that this is a blanket usage agreement for the ability to allow LL to move your Intellectual Property through the services they provide, and it also allows other users using their service to make modifications to your work, if you permit them to, through the content licenses that you personally grant them (copy/modify/transfer). It also explicitly says that you retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights you already hold under applicable law in content you upload, publish, and submit to or through the servers, websites, and other areas of the service, subject to the rights, licenses, and other terms of their TOS, including any underlying rights of other users or LL in content that you may use or modify.

      So, to put it in plain terms, you are absolutely and blatantly wrong.

      • Oh honey yes, people choose not to work for Weta and create the content that is the apex of this line of work so they can upload slut wear to second life LOL! Yes they -choose- that route because they don’t want weta to have control over their art. Reality is Weta wouldn’t want the shit they call art in the first place.

        You are absolutely delusional if you think someone would choose to work on SL instead of working on academy award winning projects. Your delusions are beyond comprehension of any normal person.

        You clearly have no idea what good artists in the industry make and based what you are saying it clearly shows you have never had a real job or worked at a studio before. Like I have said before, all you have to do is stick your head out of your SL bubble and compare your SLers art to art by professionals on artstation. We are talking about different universes here.

        I actually really feel sorry for you, you sound like one of those people who grew up on SL and has never had any experience in the real world. Of course you have to feed yourself this delusion, otherwise your entire existence would be nullified.

        Put up a gofundme page, I’ll donate since it’s the season of charity and giving and all that stuff.

        PS I really don’t care who you, if you were an individual of any value, you wouldn’t hide behind anonymity. Because the moment you attach a name to your posts, you will be exposed as the basement dweller whos entire life is inside a sex based pixel cartoon world from 2003. You would get laughed off this website and get completely annihilated. That’s why you stay anonymous, regardless of what you like to feed yourself, this is just another one of your many delusions.

      • Well, notice I said the “AAA Industry” that people are opting to leave.
        Movie production studios are a different subject matter that, if I am correct, you’re not even part of. 🙂
        Let’s do the numbers, though.

        Big, major AAA studios that have decent wages towards their employees tend to offer around $80k-$125k. This is averaging with studios like Weta and Pixar. This sort of payrate also comes with a lot of benefits as well, which balances out with your inability to retain creative control of your products. This is averaging around the same ranges that Ubisoft also offers, a company you used to work for. So you should know this part.

        Also, all of that is only if you’re hired on full time. It has turned far cheaper to hire on freelancers/contractors who are desperate for work. 
        However, the majority of AAA studios do not pay their employees well, as you should well know considering your old job only paid $53k – $69k, as per it’s current listing. This is the average prices for contractors and freelancers as well.

        A stark difference.

        I actually do have a ‘real job’. 🙂 So no thank you for the ‘gofundme page’. You should likely just take the opportunity to make one yourself because of your lack of a decent income at the moment.

        Concerning your post script, you do care, because you want to “completely annihilate” me. Well, I’m sorry to say that for one, you’re not my type. Since you are so concerned for my living situation, I will say that I am very comfortable in my RL. So comfortable in fact that SL is a quite fun side-hobby.

        I will just refer back to my previous post:
        https://virtual-secrets.com/virtual-secrets/virtual-secrets-week-691/#comment-70068

        My name really isn’t your business. However, since I know you have time, with the lack of work, the “Concerned Citizen” name has outed themselves before on an SL Secrets. I will leave it up to you to find it.

        It’s entirely up to you to decide. I look forward to your message, regardless.

      • A couple of things, people aren’t leaving the AAA Industry, ppl are leaving studios that don’t pay well. Ubisoft is notorious for horrible pay rates and their products have suffered due losing so many talents over the years to rival studios.

        Pay rate is also significantly dependent
        on the area’s cost of living. Also keep in mind that a lot of us don’t want unions in the game industry. That’s a movement promoted by the lower level and lazier employees who want equal compensation without equal effort.

        Anyway none of that has a bearing on the fact of someone has only worked on SL wouldn’t game the knowledge nor the experience required to work professionally in the industry. For example a successful real estate broker can make 4-5x salary pf the best artist out there, but that doesn’t mean they know more about 3d art than the artist.

        This might sting a bit but it’s the truth, say an SL artist makes 1mil usd a year. That’s fantastic but that doesn’t mean they have the skill level, knowledge or the experience to work on AAA games or blockbuster films. Someone could be making 35k a year working as an artist and be more qualified and have higher skill level than the person who makes 1mil a year on SL. How much money you make doesn’t suddenly give you knowledge and skill. The quality of art on sl is below 0 compared to industry standards. That person who makes 1mil a year isn’t going to land even an interview if all they have to show for their is what they released on sl.

        As far as me personally, I live very comfortably doing what I love. It’s always been the most thing to me, to make sure my Jon is my passion and not just a means to an end. Also those salaries you listed are not very accurate, let’s just leave it at that.

        I did SL on the side for a few years, I know how lucrative it can be, but it was taking time away from .e advancing my skills abd building my portfolio that’s why I stopped after I reached a point I didn’t need the money anymore. How much money you make on SL doesn’t define your skill level pr knowledge.

        SL has a very ugly side to it, you of all ppl should be familiar with it. Many ppl upload stolen meshes, unethical hiring practices where they not only significantly under pay artists they lie to them and tell them they are working on open world games and are getting credited, even some of the most popular brands on sl screw over their staff on pay, lie about making their own mesh etc thus the cesspool comment.

        Also lastly …please don’t tell me you actually believe yourself when you say professional companies come to SL to scope talent…..because yes ….recruiters from professional companies make avatars on second life where ppl have fake user names to scope out talent hahaha

      • Well you avoided every single point of evidence I asked you to provide to back up the baseless statements you made earlier. That alone paints a picture that speaks a thousand words.

        I made a longer more detailed response but it’s flagged for moderation for some reason, anyway you will see my more detailed response later whenever it gets posted.

        I just wanted to say, I never said I would annihilate you, who am I to annihilate anybody, I simply said you revealing your identity would annihilate yourself. I really meant it when I said I don’t care enough to know who you are. Just that speaking anonymously takes away a lot of your credibility.

        Also what’s your obsession with my income? It’s a little weird and unhealthy, not to mention completely irrelevant to the topic. How much money someone makes has no bearing on how much knowledge and education they have in a particular field?

      • “You would get laughed off this website and get completely annihilated”- are you now giving us a blow by blow account of your SL/ secrets timeline?
        

      • I can’t imagine how anybody makes stable long term income from SL apart from a few big companies I guess. I thought it was mostly people doing it as a hobby?

      • That’s exactly it, most of them have never done anything outside of SL either. So naturally there is a huge knowledge gap. When I tell them something they said is wrong or not how it works, they get upset and throw a tantrum and start naming calling me and call me egotistical etc. All because I pointed out what they were saying is wrong. Look at how they have been behaving instead of trying to argue with information and knowledge.

        Though these ppl are the lowest common denominators in society so I guess I shouldn’t expect anything more.

      • “When I tell them something they said is wrong or not how it works, they get upset and throw a tantrum and start naming calling me and call me egotistical etc.“

        “Though these ppl are the lowest common denominators in society so I guess I shouldn’t expect anything more.“

        I wonder why people call you egotistical. There can’t be a reason because the way you present yourself is just so kind, humble, and well thought out. I’m not sure why you haven’t been influencing these people and become a respected individual like the few who work and excel in the industry but are beloved as inspiring people.

        I just can’t wrap my head around why this is happening to you.

      • Awwwww are your feelings hurt? Maybe next time don’t dish it out if you can’t take some back.

        I treat everyone how they treat me.

      • I never insulted you?

        Did you mistaken me for someone else because once again, you don’t read?

      • it was a generalized statement, not you as in “you” specifically. I treat everyone exactly how they treat me, and I don’t take the high road. If someone strikes, I will strike back. I made a very detailed response explaining in detail why secret 36 from last week was a bit out of place and why they were wrong.

        You (again not just you, you as in plural you) came at me attacking me for it, when my original post didn’t have a single insult towards anyone. I’m sorry if you are so delicate and used to saying whatever you please and not having anyone retaliate.

      • I didn’t disagree with or attacked you, I pointed out that your information in that topic about whether or not LL is abandoning SL or not is lacking in more recent detail and maybe take into consideration on that, then you went ahead and took it like an argument and misread that I was disagreeing with you and then you went ahead and called me stupid, so I backed out last week.

        “You (again not just you, you as in plural you) came at me attacking me for it.“
        Please go back to my posts and notice how I didn’t insult you in any way, aside from returning the sentiment after you went out of line becoming overly defensive.

        Keep me out of your ‘spray n’ pray’ rage mode where you don’t know who you’re responding to.

      • Well, Chestnut, here’s the skinny. Some of us actually do – and have – worked for studios. You know, real ones where you are a member of dev, you actually work alongside artists as programmers. And I can tell you for a fact, if you had any decent kind of art director, they would look at your laggy, poorly optimized work and tell you to go back to school. Every optimization specialist would have threads about you in Slack, and they would not be pleasant.

        QA would openly call you a piece of shit because they are heroes, and you’re the turd that makes their job harder.

        You see, Pop-Tart, tons of folks on SL and in actual, real studios care about the user experience. They don’t want to put out poor-quality items that impact the flow of how they are used because that actually matters.

        IMAGINE going to the lead engineer or programming team and blaming them because you can’t do basic, just-out-of-school optimization of your mesh. You’d have whole JIRA’s dedicated to making sure you shit never got accepted and pushed to prod.

        So go about your day, Muffin-Tits, and if you are going to use pet names for people so you can feel better about the fact that you are getting absolutely fucking roasted, then try and be a little more inventive.

        Grow the fuck up and do better.

      • Oh goodie, another one.

        So genius, since you have worked at a “real studio” before (like you know every other person who is a CEO on SL) why didn’t you address my comment last week? Here I’ll ask again, please educate us.

        A) Please post side by side images of my stuff vs other popular clothing brands. You claim my stuff was poorly optimized, prove it. They are as optimized as optimization can get on -SL- while staying competitive.

        B) I explained in detail, we don’t have the tools in SL to address texel density issues. Explain to us how you would solve the texel density issue on SL with its current set up. You know as someone who has worked at a real studio before this should be easy peezy answer. Come on, put your money where your mouth is, how are textures optimized in a real studio? and can you apply the same techniques on SL?

        PS your art director is not the one that checks the stats of your model, someone who has worked at a REAL studio should know that.

      • Okay, hold up…

        If you had no communication with your art director (or a team lead at least) about how your work performs, then that tells me a couple things; either you worked for a studio that doesn’t give a crap about customer experience or you were some 3-to-6-month contract hire that didn’t get invited back. Judging by your ego and ‘freelance’ self-pleasuring, I would guess it’s the latter.

        So yeah, great ‘studio’ job there Buttercheeks.

        Anyway, here we go since I already spent more calories than your work is worth in typing the above.

        A) Sure, I’ll bite. I’ll make a fresh account, and you can send me all your items and let’s say 10K L$ so I can buy the crap needed to test on and against. Otherwise get bent and do your own work.

        B) Is this a serious question? Be a more efficient texture artist, Sugarflaps. By the sounds of it, you’ve been spoiled by texture upscaling from engines like Unreal, Unity or Frostbite or something else. You don’t have that in SL, so you have to work within the rendering engine. Rule of Thirds, use lower resolution textures in low-detail areas. Do the actual work. Stop relying on the engine to do the work for you and blaming it because you can’t texture good within your engine limits.

        Jesus, there are plenty of others out there that can do this. Ask them. Stop spreading your whole butthole in here, take the L and figure out what you need to change.

        Or, you know, keep going. Whatever, it’s still fun to see you get cream crackered over here by everyone else. I’m gonna leave this up to them.

      • A) Sure, I’ll bite. I’ll make a fresh account, and you can send me all your items and let’s say 10K L$ so I can buy the crap needed to test on and against. Otherwise get bent and do your own work.

        Hold up ….If you don’t have any of my stuff or don’t have a screenshot of them, then how do you know they are not optimized? and have you heard of ….demos? Jesus christ how do you even put your pants on in the morning. No way anyone can be this stupid. You made the accusation, the onus is on you to provide evidence not mine.

        B) Is this a serious question? Be a more efficient texture artist, Sugarflaps. By the sounds of it, you’ve been spoiled by texture upscaling from engines like Unreal, Unity or Frostbite or something else. You don’t have that in SL, so you have to work within the rendering engine. Rule of Thirds, use lower resolution textures in low-detail areas. Do the actual work. Stop relying on the engine to do the work for you and blaming it because you can’t texture good within your engine limits.

        HOLY SHIT …..you don’t up rez textures for texture optimization. So you have no idea how it’s done do you? No idea how AAA games make their cotton knots and leather grain and wood grain detail sharp and crisp without using textures bigger than 512 or 1024 do you? You also have no idea what texel density is.

        Holy fuck ..ladies and gentlemen these are the “large number of users who are well versed in modeling for SL” hired by LL to fix your SL. The future looks bright! At this rate you might as well hire chimps to work there and they will probably do a better job. These idiots don’t even know their head from their tail. The latest linden homes look like they were modeled by chimps …so maybe that is actually what LL did after dealing with these idiots lol.

        This is literally like a group of out of shape and over weight sunday league football players gathering up and shit talking Cristiano Ronaldo about how he sucks and doesn’t know how to play his position properly and they could be playing in the champions league instead of him but they choose not to because they don’t want to give UEFA their image rights. The lack of knowledge I have been talking about couldn’t be any more evident than this idiot’s post. Yeah the ONLY reason you don’t have a real job is because you don’t wanna give control of your art to Weta or the likes …..I’m dead. Just dead.

        ” ENGINE UP REZZES THE TEXTURES TO OPTIMIZE THEM” fucking legendary. Do you also put your shit back in your asshole to clean your toilet?

      • Well, your first mistake is assuming I’m an SL creator and not a non-SL programmer who is just sick of watching you piss you panties, and occasionally likes reading drama about shitty creators in his spare time.

        However (and I will absolutely concede this point), you did get one thing right; I posted upscaling instead of compression. My bad. But oh look, if you just replace that one word, the point still stands, and yet you went on a two paragraph pants shitting spree, because OH SHIT YOU GOT ME.

        I’ve made worse mistakes in JIRA’s before so I’m not sweating it. I’m sure yours are just perfect though, you beautiful little piglet.

        Also, this ain’t a court of law, and I’m not paying for your crap, sorry Primrose. You want me to prove it, you pay me for my time.

        I’m pretty sure you are going to keep harping on about me using the wrong word, so I am going to step back and watch you get absolutely dragged by the rest of the people in here who are more vested.

        Looks like the other comments are getting spicy, so looking forward to your replies.

        https://c.tenor.com/1rxu7L7WYyAAAAAC/mhw-popcorn.gif

      • Well, your first mistake is assuming I’m an SL creator and not a non-SL programmer who is just sick of watching you piss you panties, and occasionally likes reading drama about shitty creators in his spare time.

        Scripters aren’t programmers. Unless you work directly for LL as a programmer, you -think- you are a programmer but try telling any real programmer that your scripting on SL makes you a programmer and see how far you get with that. In fact I’d pay to watch that exchange.

        However (and I will absolutely concede this point), you did get one thing right; I posted upscaling instead of compression. My bad. But oh look, if you just replace that one word, the point still stands, and yet you went on a two paragraph pants shitting spree, because OH SHIT YOU GOT ME.

        I’ve made worse mistakes in JIRA’s before so I’m not sweating it. I’m sure yours are just perfect though, you beautiful little piglet.

        If you swap that one word you claim you typed by “mistake” to compression, your response would make even less sense in the context of the conversation. Since compressing textures would reduce their quality and would make have the same affect as if someone didn’t blow up the vram budget in the first place. No one is saying it’s ok to use that much Vram, I’m saying LL has to police it not creators, because as long as one person does it, everyone else has to follow to remain competitive. Unlike geometry, you can’t optimize your textures by reducing your texel density while maintaining the same quality. So sorry I know you spent 2 days trying to come up with a reason to cover up your complete lack of knowledge ….but that one word “mistake” makes your argument even less logical. You were a little closer to the right path with your first “mistaken typed word” LOL!

        This is what happens when a programmer errr scripter tries to argue with an artist. Do you see me arguing with programmers/scripters about their work? You just proved my point that you don’t have the credentials to be debating here. Thank you for that, at least people with common sense who have been reading this have proof that I was right.

        Now go back to your “programming”.

      • Except women and people with mental disabilities. You seem to have a real problem with women though.

        You can’t even hide it well. Look at how you’ve instinctively defaulted to using stupid-ass historically feminine pet names in an attempt to talk down to people. Why is it everyone who makes you feel insulted must be a female?

        For those playing at home, the hint is: Sands actually thinks very little of women and assuming that his opposition is female helps him feel bigger.

        You’re very insecure and it definitely shows.

      • You are grasping really hard here, I have no idea what anyone’s gender is here. I’m still waiting for you to tell me who Tenacia is because back in 2015 i wasn’t even active on FB at all.

        I’m also still waiting for those side by side comparisons of my stuff vs other popular clothing brands since you accused my stuff of being too “laggy”

        Still waiting.

      • Not reaching if all the stuff I just described literally happened in this week’s comments, keep up Sands, do you need a director to read it out to you?

        Tenacio. That’s the name of the store. You can keep pretending it didn’t happen and misspelling it to act like you magically have no idea what’s going on but you had a lot of stores pissed off at you and most still remember you, stores bigger than me even. Then you deleted it all off Facebook once it bit you in the ass. Ironic that it all happened and then you decided to “leave the creator community”. One of those creators even contacted your real life job over it. It was pretty caustic.

        Never said that specific incident happened in 2015, I said people have hated you since 2015 and thought you were a sexist twat. Are you able to read? It’s awful weird everyone keeps telling you that you don’t know how to read (this week and last week) and you just keep doing it.

        Keeping in theme with your inability to understand basic concepts, I told you last week to take the screenshots yourself with the raw numbers if you’re so confident. I’m not giving money to an ableist ego-driven misogynist, and hopefully no one does again. But you won’t do it because you know everyone’s right. Again, not shocked by ANY of this when you can’t differentiate between posts written to you by different people, nor can you remember events from three days ago.

        Are you ill Sands? It’s sure starting to seem that way with the incoherence and the poor reading skills and severe personality defects. Maybe you need help or to get off the internet for a while.

      • When I tell them something they said is wrong or not how it works, they get upset and throw a tantrum and start naming calling me and call me egotistical etc. All because I pointed out what they were saying is wrong- are you 8?

      • Some of us have degrees and use the platform as a way to be in business for ourselves. It’s successful because it has a permanent built-in audience and system for delivery and consumption while you can be your own boss and not rely on a company to feed you a pittance for the same work, or wait for hire-by-job models or freelance work that again, won’t pay very much. The idea in those later examples is the lack of pay is made up in *exposure* but the exposure is worthless when it only shows you off to more people who won’t pay what you’re worth. I was fortunate enough to have professors teach us the dangers of this fallacy as “just what artists do” when I was younger. Until art-driven parts of industries like the gaming industry unionize, this will keep being a problem.

        Speaking strictly for scope of reference, SL earnings have afforded me the money to pay for and own a home currently worth nearly a million USD and my profits haven’t dropped so my lifestyle is fairly comfortable. This isn’t counting the other work I’m paid for off second life. My brand is well-known but I wouldn’t dream of placing myself on a sales level of someone like Blueberry; so it’s easy to see that even if a store doesn’t seem like the biggest of the best, they may well be pulling in a tidy profit despite that.

        Anyone can do it if they have the talent and drive to gather the tools needed and have a willingness to learn and be approachable to other creators. Half of it is skill, the other half is who you know to keep networking and staying relevant.

      • So you seem really obsessed with my stuff’s vram but here you are name dropping BB whos Vram is over the roof? (again im not blaming creators for going over board with vram because that is on LL) though i just find your very biased and targeted and selective outrage over Vram usage amusing.

        As I said last week, you all seem to have an agenda against certain brands, because it doesn’t make sense to selectively target a few and be all up in arms over their optimization then ignore the rest. If BB started optimizing her stuff, her sales would be lost to someone else who won’t. Which is why this is 100% on LL and not the users.

        Do you think we like breaking stuff up into so many textures? it creates so much extra work, makes texturing more of a pain than it needs to be. Though if you want to make money on SL, you have to do it.

        Your completely biased and targeted attacks just expose your motives, your integrity and exposes what kind of a person is buried beneath your skin. In reality you (you as in plural you, since everything needs to be clarified for you dumbasses) are targeting people who are making way more money than you on SL and someone who has multiple AAA titles in their resume with your nonsensical baseless comments.

        The fact you think optimization can be done on per user level with a honor system instead of LL requiring to police it and implement modern tools to control it, goes to show just how much you don’t know about this industry as a whole.

      • So you admit your vram is bad. Finally some progress!

        I never said BB had good vram either, of course there’s lots of things they could do to improve or have the people who work under them do. I said they were a big store in terms of sheer earnings in SL, so don’t confuse the two ideas. However the difference here is BB isn’t in VS comments over and over showing their ass and trying to preach to a community that wants them gone, meanwhile that’s what you just keep doing. It’s still kinda funny but it’s beginning to sound sad now. So please, no one’s singling you out for any other reason other than you acting the way you do. There’s no hidden agenda. Everything that is said to you is a direct reaction to how you conduct yourself on here and elsewhere.

        I don’t think anyone here is saying it’s not work to be efficient. Of course it is. Just like it’s work to keep up a good reputation in SL (which seems to have been too much for you). It doesn’t mean it’s impossible to improve within whatever means you can (better textures, better mesh, better scripts, etc.).

        You’re…not making more money than some of us in SL, Sands. What are you talking about? You’ve admitted over and over you left SL when you’d paid your student debt or “left the creator community” as you’ve corrected yourself to this week, so please enlighten us as to how you’re a big earner on SL when your name means nothing but infamy anymore in creator circles and you’re not even around? You’re literally not on the map anymore.

        As for AAA credits, you’re not the only one to dip their toes in that pond. It pays peanuts compared to what I have now in SL with the exception of maybe 2 companies. So really, it’s not impressive. You’re not even working for any of these studios anymore. I’d assume if you were up to snuff, they’d have kept you on (if you started on as a freelancer). Truthfully in the end, no one here gives a crap. No one’s going to stroke your ego or be impressed by your resume. Notice you’re the only one here trying so hard to come off as a big important “somebody.”

        Come to think of it, if you’re so convinced this “get paid more, but don’t work harder” rhetoric is all that drives SL creators, then explain please why we should be impressed by how much you keep screaming about your credentials. Why would anyone work for less money from a AAA studio, over managing themselves and earning more unless they were selling themselves for exposure? Why would anyone envy or laud that? I’m trying really hard to understand your logic threads.

        So, once again, let’s just round up all the wild animals and cut to the core of the issue that was brought up last week since everything has gone wildly off topic:
        – people should absolutely discuss creators with inefficient building practices. They should demand better with words and with their dollars.
        – creators need to be receptive to change and accept help where it’s offered.
        – consumers need to be exposed to what makes creations inefficient so they can shop smarter, improve their experience (and their friends’ experience too), and encourage the creators and genres they like to shop from to improve.

        There’s no reason to be so fatalist and give up without trying simply because LL isn’t policing it. There’s already been a handful of big stores making changes both small and large and still other stores offering advice and resources for other creators. It’s encouraging to watch the trend grow, but it has to grow from someplace. The best way to start is to influence the stores with bigger reach. And the influence can’t just come from their peers, it has to come from the customers too.

        The end result is, given the version of SL we have now, if we don’t start doing our part to help keep the platform accessible, that’s lost traffic when people can’t or won’t deal with the performance issues on top of the new user learning curve. Lost traffic means lost income for both LL and creators. It’s only beneficial to all of us as end users of SL to do what we can to decrease our impact.

      • So you admit your vram is bad. Finally some progress

        I have been saying everything on SL is garbage, and nothing made on SL is made properly. You are finally reading? The fact you refuse to back up your accusations by screenshots is because if you put my clothing side by side to other popular clothing brands, you will see my Vram is lower most of the time and my tris count is significantly lower than other clothing brands, which makes my stuff more optimized than the rest on SL. Are you really trying to teach optimization to someone who has shipped multiple AAA titles for various platforms and various genres because you watched a couple of blender tutorials on youtube?

        I never said BB had good vram either, of course there’s lots of things they could do to improve or have the people who work under them do. I said they were a big store in terms of sheer earnings in SL, so don’t confuse the two ideas. However the difference here is BB isn’t in VS comments over and over showing their ass and trying to preach to a community that wants them gone, meanwhile that’s what you just keep doing. It’s still kinda funny but it’s beginning to sound sad now. So please, no one’s singling you out for any other reason other than you acting the way you do. There’s no hidden agenda. Everything that is said to you is a direct reaction to how you conduct yourself on here and elsewhere.

        So you have been making false accusations because you don’t like me. The integrity you have is an example for the ages. I don’t see the community wanting me gone, I see a bitter loser on SL secrets making baseless accusations without evidence speaking on behalf of a community that they have no business speaking for. I have so many creator friends and part of so many creator discords/groups where i help out people, troubleshoot, give them tips and advice or just generally chat with. I don’t see any of them wanting me gone. So who exactly is this community that wants me gone?

        I don’t think anyone here is saying it’s not work to be efficient. Of course it is. Just like it’s work to keep up a good reputation in SL (which seems to have been too much for you). It doesn’t mean it’s impossible to improve within whatever means you can (better textures, better mesh, better scripts, etc.).

        You can optimize your tris count on SL without losing quality, but there is no solution for optimizing textures and staying competitive due to texel density issues. I have been talking about texel density for 2 weeks on here and none of you so called “professional qualified artists who could work for any studio but choose to work on SL cause tHeY wAnNa cOnTrOl tHeIr aRt” haven’t been able to answer and have danced around answering it. Which is a plain in view example of why LL hiring these people to fix SL is comical. These people don’t have the knowledge or the experience, and the very reason SL went to shit over the years is because LL never hired people with actual experience and credentials over the years.

        As for AAA credits, you’re not the only one to dip their toes in that pond. It pays peanuts compared to what I have now in SL with the exception of maybe 2 companies. So really, it’s not impressive. You’re not even working for any of these studios anymore. I’d assume if you were up to snuff, they’d have kept you on (if you started on as a freelancer). Truthfully in the end, no one here gives a crap. No one’s going to stroke your ego or be impressed by your resume. Notice you’re the only one here trying so hard to come off as a big important “somebody.”

        Sounds like a bitter person who never made it and is jealous of the people who did and built an impressive resume for themselves. Im sitting here enjoying my 30k usd PC set up with the peanuts i made. If you were any good you wouldn’t make peanuts in the industry and would have moved up. You couldn’t make it and are now bitter and angry at those that did. Keeping telling yourself whatever you have to to sleep the night. SL is a dying platform and LL foisted it off to a firm that doesn’t have any experience in the tech sector and got out why they could. You are the only one stupid enough to be lingering around clinging to it. Because you really don’t have any other option.

        Come to think of it, if you’re so convinced this “get paid more, but don’t work harder” rhetoric is all that drives SL creators, then explain please why we should be impressed by how much you keep screaming about your credentials. Why would anyone work for less money from a AAA studio, over managing themselves and earning more unless they were selling themselves for exposure? Why would anyone envy or laud that? I’m trying really hard to understand your logic threads.

        A GP makes less than a CEO, why do they put in all that effort in their life and go to med school to become a GP? The fact you have to ask that question shows you don’t have a passion for art. You aren’t an artist, which is why you never made it. You have to absolutely love this line of work to make it. Also stop feeding yourself fallacies, those that make it in the industry make way more than 99% of SLers do. Not to mention the compensation packages, 6 weeks paid time off, unlimited sick days, bonuses, stocks etc Just like on SL you have to work for it, you won’t start making that kind of salary your first year in the industry, same way a new brand on SL wouldn’t make a living from their brand until they spent a couple of years building it up. Everything takes effort, it’s just that on SL you don’t have to be one of the best artists in the world to make money. If your only goal is to make money, there are far better professions irl to pursue than waste your life on SL. SL is a paradise, a niche, and it’s dying and been dying for years now. It really comes down what you want out of life, some people are satisfied with paying their bills and live a comfortable life. Some want to spend their life doing what they are passionate about. Whatever works for you, I’m not judging you for making money on SL, I respect anyone who works for their money and doesn’t leach off tax payers. I’m just saying your SL experience doesn’t give you the knowledge or skill level to work in the industry or know how to make AAA quality assets. If you chose to make a living on SL, good for you, but don’t be surprised if someone tells you that what you make on SL isn’t even in the same universe.

        – people should absolutely discuss creators with inefficient building practices. They should demand better with words and with their dollars.
        – creators need to be receptive to change and accept help where it’s offered.

        I’m with you on optimization. I just don’t buy this whole selectively attacking few brands. As long as someone can upload a jacket with 12 1k textures on it, someone will and if anyone else wants their denim fabric or leather grain to look as good as that person, they have to do the same. You can retopo your model and make it low tris count and cut in all the detail you need and not lose any quality. You CANNOT obtain the same texture quality if you are using a single 1k texture vs someone who is using 12 1k textures. If you optimize it, someone else wont and they will take your sales. Go look at BB Addams, Miss Chelsea or any of the other popular brands on SL, they all have crazy Vrams, because they have no other choice. You selectively leaving them out and only attacking a few brands while name dropping the others takes away the credibility of your message,

        It’s like nuclear weapons, once they were invented, you cannot stop countries from developing them, you have to build yours if you want to survive. LL needs to implement texel density control measures that automatically down sizes textures based on object’s dimensions using real world measurements. There are lots of things LL can do to address the issue. However good luck relying on the users to come up with those ideas and implement them.

         consumers need to be exposed to what makes creations inefficient so they can shop smarter, improve their experience (and their friends’ experience too), and encourage the creators and genres they like to shop from to improve.

        Customers are not responsible to learn about triangles or textures or mesh optimization. They have their own careers to worry about, they log on SL to be entertained not do LL’s job for them while paying for it too.

        There’s no reason to be so fatalist and give up without trying simply because LL isn’t policing it. There’s already been a handful of big stores making changes both small and large and still other stores offering advice and resources for other creators. It’s encouraging to watch the trend grow, but it has to grow from someplace. The best way to start is to influence the stores with bigger reach. And the influence can’t just come from their peers, it has to come from the customers too.

        The end result is, given the version of SL we have now, if we don’t start doing our part to help keep the platform accessible, that’s lost traffic when people can’t or won’t deal with the performance issues on top of the new user learning curve. Lost traffic means lost income for both LL and creators. It’s only beneficial to all of us as end users of SL to do what we can to decrease our impact.

        In a nice world filled with educated and honorable people that might be possible. However that is a fantasy to believe in, money talks and people on SL have been stealing mesh, unethically hiring meshers from 3rd world countries by lying to them about what they are making content for, they flood the market, do you really think these people would ever give a shit about optimization of the platform? I mean your fantasy is great, and i would be on board with it if it was realistic. Some of the biggest brands on SL are guilty of these malpractices, which is why LL has to step in. It’s not that complicated to fix the problem either. LL would just have to spend the money to hire the staff required, but they won’t. You are dreaming if they think this new investment company will hire people with credentials, because as we talked about earlier, for real talent you have to pay a lot for. Otherwise you end up with people who tipped their toes in the field and got out because the water was too cold for them. SL users fall in that category. If you really want SL to survive you would be demanding LL hire actual professionals and build a SL 2.0.

        What you are suggesting is like saying professionals sports don’t need referees, players should play fair, and fans should demand players to play fair and not commit offences and fouls. I mean nice fantasy? but good luck? You sound like someone who votes left. To who I always say “you can’t wish away reality.”

      • Sands, we’ve been over the vram point over and over and I’m getting tired of repeating myself even if you finally admitted your work is laggy. Post your screenshots or move on, none of us are giving you money.

        I’m formally trained, Sands. You’re just throwing spagetti at the wall now. You keep bringing up these AAA titles and your career. Let me help. Your LinkedIn is practically your SL name (jesus, internet safety basics 101 fail, why is your SL name the same as your RL name? It was a simple google search at that point, and it’s the same guy in your RL picture you used for your SL flickr profile image). You worked at an Ubisoft location for three years, the one actual game company on there. You got jobs through Share Creators for 2 years (for the uniformed, it’s a startup company that mass contacts artists, looking for hires to move through a crunch machine to complete projects remotely and in offices. The company can’t be assed to get the names of the games they credit as having worked on right or link to the actual games correctly). You did character art for 6 whole months for a studio that works on motion pictures (I won’t name it so it won’t dox you, because if anyone is going to do that, it’ll be you). Assuming the probation period is 3 months, you were a full employee for 3 months then…what happened? Because that brings us to now, you’re a “freelance artist.”

        And don’t get it twisted, I love when even formally untrained artists can be big, therefore I normally wouldn’t shit on anyone’s work experience in terms of their gains. However, you persist on using your work history as your paper shield for why you deserve respect and your words deserve weight. It doesn’t work that way, especially when you’ve burned so many peoples’ goodwill.

        I’ve made no false accusations. And while it’s true I don’t like you (and I certainly wouldn’t be the first), what I meant about reactions is that the reason people focus on you so much more vocally than others is because you make a target out of yourself by your actions. You make yourself dislikable so people are more likely to get tired of your shit and just speak up. Before you were trying to turn this into some illuminati conspiracy shit, but really, we talk about other stores’ creations a lot. We don’t deal with them the way you’re dealt with because they don’t act like you and are approachable. No one is going to take the time to work with you or try to give you feedback because you’re consistently sitting there self-assured that you’re god’s gift to the digital art world. If you have so many friends, why is it I look up your SL name and outside of your own posts, I see a pile of bad press and past SL secrets and you being a douche? Surely there’d be more people speaking out in your defense or saying nice things about you. I found two people among the lot, that was it. So to answer your question, the community I refer to is probably everyone outside of the few ‘friends’ you have. Just because you’re in Discord servers doesn’t mean anything, because people have varying ways of dealing with those they find unpleasant. It doesn’t mean they absolutely like you or value what you have to say in truth. I’d think that for someone who thinks so little of SL creators and had been in the community himself, you’d know to take things with a grain of salt.

        You don’t need that density to stay competitve because the honest fact (that you admitted to in past posts) is that it’s possible to reduce the textures’ impact but that it would be work and supposedly no one will do more work without being forced to. And yet people do and those stores have changed their texturing processes and their work still looks good and they still make money and people are still happy. So which is it? Is it impossible or is it “possible but not for lazy people, so just give up”?

        I chose to step away from industry work and do artistic side work when I have the time purely for the sake of maintaining a portfolio with variety and to have something to rely on after SL if it goes before I retire (starting to feel unlikely, but who knows, world’s been pretty crazy). You’re the only one here asking everyone to ooh and ahh at these brass rings you’ve tried to reach for, but it’s really pointless. I’m not jealous. I’m sad for people like you. You’re just another cog in the machine of these companies taking advantage of artists because they still aren’t paying you what your work is worth because the business model has been broken for a long time. It won’t be fixed without artists coming to grips with this and not letting the companies undervalue their work or join a union.

        The way you mock people wanting control of their art, then you say “you must have a passion for art” is really baffling. That’s the exact line people say to cope with the fact they’re not being paid fairly and the same line companies use on job postings when they know they’re putting out an underpaid offer. You can have passion and for your art AND still demand what it’s worth. I’m not getting why you think these are mutually exclusive ideas. The idea that you need to work up some ladder to maybe get somewhere where you might be finally paid what you’re worth is insane when you literally don’t have to do that at all anymore; it’s an antiquated way of working and the world is starting to move past it. All these things you list as perks for working in a company are pointless if you’re your own boss and you can’t even count as part of the “wages” you’re making with the exception of maybe the bonus (a bonus of what the company has decided your art earned which you may not get if they decide to not give bonuses, and also is just a handout on top of the little they were paying you to start with) and stocks…and with the way companies are going nowadays, even that’s risky; stocks in the gaming industry are becoming murkier and murkier with the state of all the scandal and outrage going on. There are safer and more secure ways to invest financially if you have a good advisor, but that’s an entirely different topic we don’t need to swerve into. The point is, while I’m sure there’s outliers both on the high and low end of the earnings spectrum for both models, it doesn’t discount the fact that for the majority of these industry jobs, they aren’t paying enough to compete with artists managing themselves successfully. But they seem to keep finding rubes to pick up that fill the gaps in the interim. So please, don’t talk to me about lacking passion or not being an artist when you’re willing to sell yourself short and be happy about it.

        Like I said in the previous post, no one (including myself) is saying only you or any other store is responsible for the optimization issues. We’re well aware of what those stores do. You just choose to act like the bastion of logic and authority when you literally contribute to the problem like a hypocrite. How do you expect people to take you seriously like that? If you want to bitch then don’t be part of the problem.

        Help and discussion has to come from someplace and expecting everyone to just jump on board and instantly change is ridiculous. But standards are set when people have the knowledge to know what to demand. Like I explained previously, it starts someplace and builds. The biggest brands will only latch on once there is a consumer expectation. This is why you start with the ground floor. More discussion and recognition of the problem is important at every level, including the consumer. And to sit there and go “oh well, consumers don’t have time” is stupid as well; it takes next to no time to inspect something in world, look at the numbers and make a decision. It’s part of being a smart shopper and getting your money’s worth. It’s nothing but a benefit for them to begin to become more discerning where they can since it will help their overall experience. Shoppers are smart when you give them the tools to be smart.

        I’m fairly pleased with the direction LL is starting to take SL because its encouraging. You can’t keep ignoring the improvements they’re making because you don’t have an instantly improved platform. That’s just not realistic. You want them to take charge and make changes but then you give up before giving them the oppourtunity now that there are people with applicable experience working for them. Also your analogy of not wanting the game to have a referee isn’t accurate. The want is for players and fans to call other players out on their bullshit until there are better referees.

        Not sure why you brought up the “voting left” bit. Are you that thirsty for attention that you have to try and bait people into politics that aren’t even being discussed? Then a bit further down you go off about football…and I got be honest, it makes you sound a bit like you’ve lost yourself. Probably want to stop doing those things. I don’t know, Sands. Go out and touch grass or something, put up some holiday decor or talk to some family. You’re even letting your salty tears about THIS topic leak into other peoples’ comment chains and it’s concerning. Like damn dude, at least keep this discourse contained like the rest of us.

      • Did it ever occur to you that I really don’t use social media all that much? I honestly don’t even remember the last time I updated my social media accounts. I rarely ever log into them. FYI I have worked on Watchdogs 2, Watchdogs Legion, FarCry Primal, Diablo Immortals (a mobile game with super tight texture and geometry budget) Call of Duty Cinematic, Upcoming Netflix Animation series(unannounced still) and 2 different AAA titles that are still unannounced.

        I mean logic would dictate, I worked on SL early on in my career because yes when you start out salaries aren’t that great and I’m too used to living a certain life style. So SL was a nice way to supplement that while I worked my way up the ladder. Don’t you think, by your own logic, that if I was making peanuts I would still be working on SL on the side? If you think I’m doing so terribly, wouldn’t I be back on SL creating? I haven’t created a single item for SL in over 2 years. Simply because I don’t need to anymore. Maybe some day I would be forced back who knows?

        Keep saying that you have credentials or keep repeating “there is a way” doesn’t mean you have explained anything. I can sit here and say I’m the emperor of japan, without any kind of evidence anyone can claim anything on the internet. You seem to think not being anonymous is doxing yourself, it’s not. The fact you won’t even reveal your fake SL username is because if you were exposed, people would take a look at your work/quality/experience and compare it to mine and there wouldn’t even be a debate here. THAT is the real reason you stay anonymous, you are too afraid to even name your fake SL name. Get real.

        As far as texel density goes. You clearly don’t understand what it is. Texel density is different than resolution. It is not affected by your texture resolution nor your UV space/packing. Texel density is the number of pixels per square inch of space. If you decide that you are going to dedicate 262,144 pixels per 1×1 inch, you can use 16 128 textures for that inch or use a single 512 texture or use 4 256 textures or use 1/4th of a 1024 texture. There is no way to optimize against that if someone decide they want to dedicate 262,144 pixels per square inch. We are still bottlenecked by textures both in terms of quality and performance. This means there will be a -HUGE- difference in visual quality between people who use a high texel density vs those that don’t. The brands you targeted have significantly -better- looking items thus are more popular and get more sales.

        Now that you understand what texel density is (hopefully) in a game of any kind, since we are so bottlenecked by texture use, we use texel density to create a uniform world in terms of texture resolution. So you don’t get a spoon on a table have the same number of pixels as a 4×4 wood log. For example your TD will assign a 1024×1024 for every 2m by 2m space, and everything in the world in terms of how much texture space/texture resolution it’s assigned to is based on that measuring stick. That only works if the ENTIRE team is sticking to that rule. All artists follow that because they are collectively making a product, and their bonuses is based on the success of the game as a whole. On SL it’s not a collective effort, every artist is making money based on their own individual release. SL is if each artist in a large AAA production got paid based on how good general public users considered their item is. So in a scenario like that they will fight each other to assign as much quality as they can to THEIR item.

        It’s quite frankly astonishing that you can’t draw this conclusion on your own and I literally had to paint pictures and color code this for you. Majority of basic IQ tests are based on identifying basic patterns and finding the connections, it’s pretty obvious you are an individual with very low IQ.

        The reason I know you vote left is because of your fantasy land thinking, you don’t seem to grasp the unrealistic expectation that you think it would be possible to enforce optimization on users using an honor system. On a platform where people go as far as stealing other artists work to make money, hire unethically cheap labour to flood the market to make money, do you really think they will care to reduce the quality of their items for sake of a better SL? This is why I say LL has to implement tools and shaders where we have detail map slots, so we can separate the high frequency details and tile them as a 64×64 texture. Add in texel density checks where they automatically reduce the size of textures based on texel density rules and object size. Your fantasy way of thinking is a liberal/left trait. It’s not me being bitter, it’s just the reality. Am I wrong? You clearly vote left lol.

        You don’t know what you don’t know, and your lack of knowledge is so glaringly evident here. I don’t judge you for it, you have never worked on a real project before, it’s quite obvious. I have high profile AAA titles under my belt, when I try to explain something to you, you should put your ego aside and listen. I have made it this far because in fact I don’t have an ego, I constantly learn and study my craft. Even with all my experience I still look for knowledge anywhere I can. When someone is wrong and you tell them they are wrong, and back up your statement with experience, education, knowledge, facts, it’s not ego, it’s just reality.

        As far as you thinking LL hiring under qualified users without proper credentials is a good thing? Look at your lack of knowledge here, when LL hires people like you, is why we get the awful crap such as the latest linden homes. If SL dies you are screwed, not me. You should care about this far more than I do and demand LL hire people with experience and knowledge.

        I have given back to this community more than most of you have, the reason you don’t know is because I don’t brag about it every time I help someone. That is why people like me, the only people who don’t like me are the ones who have been caught stealing such as noble creation (guy creator btw that i called out, since you love this “you hate women” propaganda) Entice, Candydoll, etc etc and I also refuse to help those that use unethical hiring practices. They don’t like me. Every time I log in SL i get a message from someone thanking me for standing up against the frauds.

        Best part about your post though was the part you claim the reason you don’t call out other designers whos vram is way higher than mine such as Addams, Miss Chelsea, Valkore, etc etc is because they are nice. Oh …so if they are nice you don’t mind them blowing the platform up, you only have an issue with their optimization if YOU have a problem with them. You have no integrity, no honor, you are a useless twat that is too afraid to even name their fake SL username and sticks to anonymously shit talking someone who has given back more to this community than any of you have without asking for anything in return.

        Seriously fuck off.

      • The name I am using should express about how I feel about all of this. This is completely ridiculous that someone that defended brands the other week and even tried to help those who may not understand the process of things is being dragged through the mud. 

        They are not hiding behind anonymous name and yet all of you are, name calling, show boating at how awesome you are hiding behind a screen, dragging his real life information into this, his real life image (distorted/warped) and even some of the things that have been stated are actually incorrect. 

        He does not owe anyone an explanation of where he is with his career but it is also a step too far dragging all of that into this. For what? To make yourself feel so clever? Are you happy now? Look at me, I found things about someone’s real life so let me come to SLS and tell everyone so they can see what an amazing creature I am!! I hope it gives you the sweetest dreams when you lay your head down on your pillow.

        This is what I know of Sands: He helps people when they come asking for help or tries to help them because he does want people to reach their goals. People come to him for advice all the time, you do not see it because it is not something that should have to be publicly done or have to be announced every time someone gets help. I know it is the new modern age where everything has to be written down so people can stop making assumptions/judgements. He is an honest individual, people can either handle it or they can’t. Does it mean he should be crucified every time someone disagrees with him? Nope, it does not. Whenever I have needed help, he has always helped me and some of the people I know. There is many of us that he has helped. 

        All he tried to do was help people understand more about the tools LL has to offer for the creators out there in SL and what improvements LL can do to help the creators out there. He wasn’t putting anyone down, he wasn’t trying to show off. Not everyone understands how everything works, some people even said thank you to him for helping them get a better understanding but a lot of people are missing this because there is a lot more others trying to put down what has been said. How can you expect things to get better if you won’t read what is actually being said? How do you expect the average user in SL understand how it all works and they can see why some things are done the way they are. 

        Everyone has their own career path and let them have that choice, no one here can tell anyone what career path they should be on. It is that persons choice, no one elses. Who cares if some want to be their own boss, some want to work for companies or some just want to do whatever they want when it comes to work. It is their choice. Stop making up assumptions and when someone explains to you why they chose the path they did or why they are no longer doing X, Y or Z then take their word for it because the word is coming out of the horses mouth.

        As no one else is stepping in to stick up for him, so I have decided to do it. I am doing this because this is an ongoing cycle of back and forth. To get to the point of this, this comment thread has gone so far to the point someones real life is being dragged into this. He wasn’t showboating about his work, he was sharing experience because he wanted to help people understand. 

        Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn’t mean every single person needs to agree with one another. It also does not mean that all this nonsense should have happened because some of you disagreed with what he said. All of this could have been avoided if instead of bringing out the hunting parties and just reading what is being said then an actual discussion could have been had. If people would actually read what is being said then you will see what I am saying because this is my take on this and how I view it.

      • There’s an entire developing industry dedicated to making long term income by selling content on different platforms. VRChat, NeosVR, Roblox, Mods, Second Life and the rise of the metaverse, VR, and AR trend is opening a new creative market appealing to individual artists. Second Life can start as a hobby but does end up being a place for long term income for an impactful number of individual creators skilled enough to reach that point. Their salaries can be compared to, and exceed professional salaries. With virtual worlds and metaverse markets going mainstream, some are already putting content into other platforms to expand their brand.

        I think if it works out for these people, it’s something you can respect. Skipping the suits and being able to invest in life as an individual business owner is an ideal position in this day and age.

        It’s a business route that’s so appealing, that industry professionals are turning towards this direction because, as we all know already, corporations aren’t paying a fair salary that match up with the cost of living. Housing’s going up, but the pay isn’t budging. I think we can all agree to that fact.

      • Indeed, and most of us doing it certainly do not charge in like IBS suffering rhinos, and plant ourselves firmly in secrets, fingers not so covertly reaching for the quivering with excitement tip of our chodes, at the sound of our own voice. That no one wants to hear, other than him.

      • It’s not worth it. He’s a self-absorbed, self-important, know it all who won’t concede even when he recognizes he’s wrong. He’s got no actual integrity, so why bother?

      • You mean I speak the truth? truth hurts I know, it’s easier to convince yourself that the go-kart is a ferrari than to face the reality of your miserable existence.

        You are all so successful, until one of your cats gets sick, then we have to fund you with a gofundme.

        Only a small circle of your friends who are in the same miserable situation as you are believe your delusions because they have no other choice. The rest of SL laughs and mocks you. RL doesn’t even acknowledge you.

        Look at how hurt you are that you had to distort a rl picture of mine instead of providing evidence or any factual information. This is the kind of butt hurt scumbags you are. You have nothing, you are nothing, your entire existence on SL amounts to nothing. That is why you are so butt hurt. You can’t argue with facts and information and education, because you don’t have any.

        Keep driving that go-kart and go round and round with it!

      • Darling you are so over your head here that it’s astonishing just how little self awareness you have. You are so out of your league here, you are like a mcdonald’s burger flipper trying to debate finances with a hedge fund manager. Stick to your imaginary SL world, you literally sound like an uneducated welfare leacher when you try to talk about RL stuff.

        It is so obvious that you have spent your entire life on SL, you have no idea how this works in the real world at all. Why would anyone -want- to sell their high level work? Why do you think professional artists don’t even sell their personal portfolio pieces? and if that is the reason your SLer “artists” don’t work irl then how come we don’t see them selling their oh-so-valuable intellectual property anywhere outside of sl? Because there is no market for that, no major project or film would go and buy models that were already used else where, that is assuming the asset in question would even fit the art direction in the first place, and if by an off chance it does would it meet the technical requirements of their project. Any commissioned work that would pay anything worth while would come with exclusive rights anyway. Though sure, the reason you and yours truly stick to SL is because you don’t wanna give away all the rights of the intellectual property you have that no one wants in the first place anyway. It always amazed me how egotistical SL designers are when in reality their work is not even at the level of a first year student. Most of them can’t even understand basic forms, silhouettes, proportions.

        Reality of it is, if any of them were offered a real studio job they would jump at it. Most of them who resigned to working permanently in SL is because they got tired of applying and not hearing anything back. They are here because they don’t have a choice. Anyone who had a choice left or downsized their SL to be a side income a long time ago.

        Darling making fun of someone because they left SL is not an insult. It’s like a mcdonalds burger flipper who is still working in mcdonalds 40 years later making fun of his ex-colleagues because they left mcdonalds when they were 18. It’s so sad and pathetic watching you be the “40 years flipping burgers at mcdonald’s” proud. Seriously go put up a gofundme page, i’ll donate.

      • I, and many others, have provided the facts needed to combat your idiocy. The fact you are not reading into it because you have your head so far your own ass you can see tomorrow’s breakfast is just astonishing, to say the least. If you want to combat my direct quoting of their ToS, by all means please do.

        Quite a few of these people, even with professional training, use SL as a profitable side-hobby to supplement their RL income, and a notable few actually can provide for their RL through the means of SL, and rather comfortably I can add. Generally these people use this as a means to promote their art, or work of side-project games where they can re-use their models they uploaded to SL, or use models in other projects they may be hired onto provided modifications are made. Also, many designers have been scoped from these companies on SL, as you should well know, and quite a few denied them for their own personal reasons, be it monetarily or just the fact they already have a job in a field they are happy with that permits them to explore their creativity without controlling and limiting it. 🙂

        I, personally, don’t spend as much time in SL as I used to, due to my RL taking a priority, but I do log in often enough to keep up with what I need to while I am there, and attend the various events, workshops, and meetings I desire to in order to promote the community I have grown to enjoy.

        I am not making fun of you for leaving SL.
        I am making fun of you for leaving SL and still coming onto a SL-related tabloid-style site, when you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about.

        Keep it funny, Sands. This is great.

      • It sounds like you aren’t actually reading anything I’m posting, or just not understanding it. I have never disputed the ToS, I have disputed the ridiculous notion that SLers turn down professional work due to not wanting to give away rights to their art work. That is an extremely delusional statement to make.

        Generally these people use this as a means to promote their art, or work of side-project games where they can re-use their models they uploaded to SL, or use models in other projects they may be hired onto provided modifications are made

        None of the models made for SL can be reused in a game. The fact you even say that goes to show just how much of a gap in knowledge there is here, you are clearly speaking from an assumption/second hand information position than actual first hand experience. This whole drama started over how SL items are not optimized properly. They would have to be rebuilt ground up, it would be faster than any kind of modifications that would be needed. Nothing used in SL is compatible or suitable for a non-SL project. I challenge you, name ONE game (other than ghetto SL like stuff such as IMUV) where someone is taking their SL assets and using them in it modified or not, name one. You can’t make false statements and then not provide any evidence.

        As far as promoting their art??? Who the fuck promotes their art on SL? I would never in a million years show case any of my SL work on my portfolio, that is insanity. This again comes from a place where you just don’t know anything about the industry or this line of work. Again I challenge you, name one 3d artist who is using SL to promote their art. Please go ahead, name one.

        many designers have been scoped from these companies on SL, as you should well know, and quite a few denied them for their own personal reasons, be it monetarily or just the fact they already have a job in a field they are happy with that permits them to explore their creativity without controlling and limiting it.

        No one, not a single soul from the professional industry would ever come to this place to scope talent. You are making this up straight out of your ass. Artstation and to a lesser degree deviant art is the place where recruiters look for artists. That’s where talent is scoped not on fucking second life a 2003 shit show. You are making up statements and call them facts to try to push your argument. NAME ONE instance where a professional studio came to SL to scope an artist. Please I’d love to hear it. Any SLer who moved on from SL to RL work did it through actually building an art portfolio outside of SL, not the shit you see on SL.

        I am not making fun of you for leaving SL.

        I am making fun of you for leaving SL and still coming onto a SL-related tabloid-style site, when you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about.

        How do -I- have zero idea what I’m talking about when you are the one that A)doesn’t have the credentials to be debating this and B) Making false statements and trying to pass them up as facts without evidence? Come on, I asked you above to provide evidence to back up the randomly off the wall statements you have made.

        I stick around because my presence is a dose of reality check to the egotistical SL designers who think they are gods gift to mankind. Also I only left SL’s creator scene not SL all together.

    • I can hear your tears through the internet, you wanna know how I know you’re butthurt? That excessive LOOLLLL at the end.

  52. #14. Gotta laugh at this mug aintcha, talk about butt hurt that their beloved ANT got called out on being a bit of a faker by Caine. I know Caine to be someone who tells it as it is, calls it out when he sees BS. Everything he said was bang on, as for DJ ANT having way more talent well that’s clearly not the case and as for followers oh behave you silly trout Lilis Magic has a shit tonne of followers and cant spin for toffee and is completely lacking in talent so that point is just ridiculous. Get a grip stop crying woke tears over your keyboard and fuck off lol .

    • It sounds like you are one of Caine slaves I can tell you love to defend your old wrinkle sugar daddy who has no skills that about to hit his death bed anytime soon but okay lmao just let your sugar daddy know he’s nothing but pile of shit though. 😉

      • lol I could say the same about you, clearly you have no musical knowledge or expertise as you would be siding on Caine’s side like myself. I have been a professional DJ, producer and influencer for many many years, not in the virtual World where the likes of you and your friends over extend their personal worth and pretend to be superstars. Let me tell you something if you are anything special you would be playing real-life gigs, radio shows, concerts and the like not bigging yourself up in a pretend fake world full of pretenders who actually are better at it than you which is rather hilarious actually. Jog on sweetheart jog on.

      • No one wants to pick this shitty guy side maybe you do since you lick his ass 24/7 probably clean his ass as well as his slave, As you Say you have been a “professional Dj” But seem to me like you Became more of a “Wanna Be DJ” . You are right though Me and my friends are superstars instead of crappy Dj Like you who loves to steal music from others, just show the lack of skills you have That is not becoming a “Real DJ”. but okay keep on stealing music from others it never gonna get you far in life As A “Wanna Be DJ” just don’t lie to yourself. 😉 

      • What are you talking about slaves….? Also very funny how there’s a tone more likes of my comments in support for Caine as opposed to your butt hurt rant. As for me being a Wanna Be DJ as you put it, I am as famous as you ………NOT VERY MUCH, you see we can all call ourselves this or that but the reality is quite often with people like you nothing like the reality. If you bothered to look at what I typed and what I named myself you will see the example clear as day hilarious that you can’t even see what’s clearly in front of your face. Stealing Music? from who,,, not you no one would steal a set from you or your mate coz ya tunes suck.

      • You mean your own tunes suck? LMAO you don’t have to tell us that twice we know Sweetie that your own music suck, because you been spinning stolen music from other talented dj. but that okay we sure love a liar, once someone becomes a liar will always remain one and become such a hater in the end so go on with your bigot ass day Roach.

      • You don’t even know me you moron so how can you be saying I steal music or my music sucks LOL this is the level of thick shit you are. Who do you think I am?????

  53. #6- I kinda find it stupid people try to put it out there like oh maybe they will see post and get back together. I has no ties to them or even know them personally think they need positive vibes and let fate decide on its own or let them work it out there own way.

    • I thinks it funny that i finally get on here once some one does not get their way lol i know who done it soooo i dont give a fuck any more you all can talk all you want about me this does not bother me at….

  55. #5 Well, creators could also just give people edit rights, so you could link the stuff together and it uses 2 attachment points at most.

    • A lot of creators are gunshy about handing out modifiable content lately for various reasons. One valid one is there is a group of copybotters out there abusing this by buying a fatpack, ripping all the textures, then creating workarounds to distribute it to people who buy single colours.

      This doesn’t mean they shouldn’t make their products modify, I believe in modifiable content myself, but hopefully this explains the mindset a bit.

      That being said, if a creator wanted to cater to the original secret’s request and still make things the most convenient for customers, they could include a version of the hair in parts (bangs, ponytail, main part) and a version already linked in the packaging. I think the original secret was actually a pretty good suggestion for stores with the time to do it, especially for people who want to wear hoods or other headgear.

      • Just saying that if a copybotter wants to extract textures, making things mod or no mod makes literally no difference.

      • That’s true, however the issue they were trying to avoid wasn’t the texture ripping itself since there’s no way to stop it, but their ability to apply the ripped textures to cheaper, single colour versions that had modify permissions. So for example, the compromise some of these creators have chosen is to make single colour items no mod and the fatpack mod, because there’s no reason to rip textures for theft purposes at that point.

        It still sucks we’ve had to come to this point though.

  56. #50 ipanema bodies are great, you just a jealous creator LFMAO!

    • I demo’d them the other day just to see if they were worth the hype. I felt like I was back in the early 2000’s when body oil was all the rage in SL. They are far from “great” unless you want to look bloated and oily.

      • I have never understood the body oil trend.. and you all say it is something from the past when it is not. Every body or mesh head has the oil option and many merchants use it. I really don’t like it. I have never met real people using oil or using it looking likethat.
        Regardless, those skins look bad quality.

    • You can just buy oil bom layers and get the same effect as Ipanema skin. That is also the cheaper option. Besides the skins are dated considering that the oil meta was a thing in 2008/2009. Next we will be seeing bling coming full circle again.

  57. #17 – Agree 100%. That piggy bank at the Cosmopolitan event was straight-up disgusting. Seraphim has really dropped the ball on monitoring vendor pics; a lot of them skirt the line from provocative to gross. Side note: shame on the Cosmo event owners for letting that disgusting piggy bank thing into their otherwise nice event. That thing was sick.

    • he’s very clearly not an abuser if they still talk and get on fine. don’t start shit, have not seen those names mentioned by anyone personally involved.

      • Someone seems to forget Stockholm syndrome with abusers are a thing. People do go back to abusers and talk with them because the fear and desperation of not wanting to be alone without a significant other. Not saying this person was. But goddamn watch what you say. Cause people do go back to abusers all the time and it looks like it’s all butterflies and rainbow’s on the surface does not make it a situation full of manipulation behind the scenes.

        and yes experience is talking here, cause I was that sad desperate dumbass that went back in touch with MY abuser and it has fucked my mind up badly because of it.

        nobody will really know what’s going on from face value but don’t just fucking make claims that you know this shit for a fact just cause they are still in touch an interacting on Twitter.

      • That’s how my Mom and my step dad were. He tore her down mentally, when I told her I’d take her and my half bro and sis away, that we could make it on our own, she said “But I need him, I wouldn’t know what to do without him”. Disgusted me to no end. I left the house shortly after that. Couldn’t stand seeing my mom cry (and sometimes physically bruised) because of him. When he finally died, I said good riddance, humanity is one less asshole.

      • hey at least you can admit you’re projecting your own trauma onto the situation and other people’s lives

      • It’s a little thing called empathy. If say Squid was abused and we see the signs of an abuse situation we can empathize including if we walked in those shoes before.

        Clearly it’s something you lack since you are quick to say it’s projecting rather then the clearly obvious answer here. Sounds a little like you’re the type to blame the victim by that statement alone. Gross.

      • Oh, come on. I know you could reply with something a little more clever then that. I know you can. Since you want to turn this into a sparring match. 🙂

        I’ll give you sometime to even think of a better quip. Don’t let those wheels burn you out too fast now.

      • I wasn’t projecting anything, I was replying to Wow’s comment. I have no ties to whoever these fucks are. Just saying that abusees have reasons (even if it’s just their lack of any self-esteem anymore) to going back to their abuser/s. It’s a thing, from personal experience.

      • did they have a kid together already?

        unless they are YOUR parents you are talking about saying you saw something happen between two completely different people doesnt mean anything here

        saying everything must work one way or the other because you experienced or saw it once is exactly what projecting is queen

      • They were replying to me with their story that they can relate too with the topic I presented at hand. A topic I brought up of a “this maybe what’s happening” scenario. Not that it is. But it’s just something some people who have gone through can spot because of the signs.

        But you wouldn’t really know that since you clearly lack a short attention span to pay attention and read the context of the text given.

        Good job genius. Really proven to me again how well you do your “research” and to give some ounce of meat to your petty arguments.

      • Stockholm syndrome doesn’t exist. There are other reasons people return to their abusers, all of which are problems, but that one was made up in the Swedish press by people with an axe to grind after a hostage situation.

      • You are a total moron.

        It’s a legitimate mental illness type that people legitimately can’t help. Stockholm can take many forms, and if you were fucking mentally abused even on the internet you do tend to go back to that abuser who traps you in a vicious cycle of mind games that tear you down all because you believe you truly love that individual. I believed I genuinely loved my abuser but he couldn’t ever hold that same value for me in viciously kept me in that cycle by saying things if he was alone he’d kill himself.

        It’s a very much a one sided love that with your captor who keeps you around like a prize. It’s very fucking real and it will never be okay.

        Do your goddamn research or shut the fuck up instead of looking like an ignorant piece of shit and making yourself look like a total ass.

        Mental health is a serious damn issue and if it’s not maintained properly it can cause people to break down and crack.

        Just cause hurrdurr the Swedish press says it’s “fake” doesn’t make it true with all the actual fucking cases out there now. How about wendigo psychosis? You wanna tell me that shit is fake too?

        Do us a favor. Instead of relying on one source of information how about you do a lil bit of research and make a better argument. Kay? 🙂

    • i just want to see the proof of him being abusive? where has this world came from. they are obviously on good terms – am i missing something?

    • I didn’t really think I’d need to say anything on here but I really would appreciate if people didn’t call Timbre an “abuser” at all. That’s not at all a word I would use to describe him as.

      Please respect my wishes and drop that. We are still on speaking terms and are doing what we need to do to heal from this whole thing. My biggest regret is everything getting dragged onto public twitter, I was never expecting the break up to be announced there or have so many people even feel it was their right to get involved but we were quite public throughout our relationship I suppose it was bound to happen.

      I still have a lot of love for Timbre after everything and I really can’t stand seeing him being named as an “abuser”. So please please please let that go.

  59. 18. Imogen has always been rude and the reason we left fox hollow. It’s a shame what she did that town. She ran off my roleplay by telling us to stop. Now they have no roleplay. Sucks to suck.

    • funny enough from what im being told bullet broke up with her for being fucking nasty and then she went on to threaten suicide if he didn’t take her back! shes known for being fucking nasty I don’t know how they even hired her but most of them are like her anyway! bullet and I were sleeping together during their entire relationship and the stuff he would tell me about her were appallin

      • I’m His Sister And Funnily Enough He Said This Is False!
        Stop Spreading Lies.
        We All Know Who You Are, And This Is Pathetic. You Should’ve Left Fox Hollow When You Had The Chance!

    • +1. I was so excited for Vandermore University that I moved to Fox Hollow, then dropped out mid of semester. Imogen is rude, why can’t she find proper staff for whatever moderator roles, maybe because they don’t want to? We wanted to start some greek life at campus and she was just so condescending and rude, we stopped showing up.

      • They ignore applications and won’t hire anyone so that no one can “steal their thunder”. An insecure bunch to me.

      • What is the logic in that? That there are no students showing up for classes or renting the dorms? The campus is a ghost town.

      • They only want ‘certain’ members. Others are falsely accused of being some alt they previously knew.

  60. #41 the ages are the same in the pictures so how are they 6 years apart?

  61. 12. I only demoed Reborn and even I know that’s not true; it does have butt physics, they are just extremely subtle. That’s one of the few ways the body is actually like Legacy, because it certainly isn’t in the shape of the mesh. However the post is right about that “Boing Boing” thing, and my friend who bought it says it also breaks the deformers they include with the body that make it so the ass doesn’t sit in the middle of your back. They all break, no matter which deformer version you use. Imagine making a HUD that breaks things you include with the body, and not mentioning that at all in a demo or something before people buy it. Bad form, eBody.

    • Not to mention the fact that the body itself has a flat ass crack area, there’s no dip. It’s 2D and makes your butt area look weird.

  62. #4 I don’t understand the side pictures in normal pictures, I am hutring my head to look at them, but with this I even hurt my head more to read it lol

    • I give up trying to read it, why the heck would you turn it sideways like that!

      • Bc they’re ashamed of themselves low key. They’re talking about how its wrong for the BDSM community to shame “alt bdsm” (I’m assuming ageplay/abdl) because “all you old people will be wearing diapers soon anyway- just start now.”

  63. 39 That’s how the world works.. People don’t have to like something because X,Y,Z made it.

    42 Self censoring the F-word, now that’s some cringe, maybe just don’t say it then

    • So true.. because wow, first of all that dude is WHITE. But even if he was black, can black men not be butlers or what??? Please enlighten me… who may be a butler in your eyes. Can that only be a white person? Does the person have to be skinny or fat? Male or female? What color eyes may they have…. color hair??

      Seriously… go get a life you moron that posted this “secret”!

    • I mean in that case Angel Manor has no black people which is still a problem, just not the problem the OP was accusing them of having.

      (I mean yeah, I agree, I had to squint and stare at that guy to be like, “he’s black?”)

    • Some of us can’t. I had one, and FB deleted it because my avatar is not a real person.

    • SL facebook accounts are regularly banned for not being a real person. Also waste of a post compared to people airing out their personal drama in public instead of handling it like adults? lol k

    • I have an SL FB account and all my friends are also SL players. So …

  66. #24 You know that’s their bot that responds in group chat and IMs to give you things like the landmark.. right? I don’t know if you’re making a joke or seriously thought it’s some random noob that stands on the roof…

    • It’s so obviously the place’s bot. I genuinely worry for the state of their brain if they thought it was a real person.

      • I’m personally hoping it was a joke? A sorta lame diss at that weirdo who posts here? Surely they don’t really believe that’s a person…

  67. They’re def talking about you as a person, Jay. Not just your look.  😂 

  68. look up the origins of Santa, he is not dark ffs . leave Santa alone

  69. The original Saint Nicholas was Greek and born in an area now belonging to Turkey. He could’ve been anything from blond to olive-skinned dark. Suck on it.

  70. It’s not as if the current image of Santa Claus is anywhere near representative of what Saint Nicholas actually looked like. He’s a fictional character based on the actions of a real person, not the appearance of him (beyond wearing red and having white hair + beard.) Historical iconography represent Saint Nicholas most commonly with light to dark olive skin, with a few white AND black outliers, and researchers broadly agree that he would’ve had a skin tone in the olive range. He also wasn’t depicted as a fat man either, nor was he described as particularly “jolly” despite his gift-giving habits, those are more recent change artists have made to the image of Santa Claus.

    Santa Claus is a character that reflects the values of whoever is telling his story, with a goal of making him sound appealing to the children the story is being told to. You’ve only seen and heard of a white Santa Claus because you most likely don’t interact with people of other races very often. Despite being white I grew up in an area that was predominantly black, and almost all of the families I knew had decorations, drawings, and stories depicting him as black, plus an addition to the story saying that Santa Claus is magical and looks different to everyone who sees him. If you’re so appalled by the idea of a long tradition of Santa Claus being changed to fit differing ideals, don’t engage with stories about him at all then, because the idea you have in your head is “wrong” too.

  71. WHO FUCKING CARES? Let people have their *insert race here* Santa. Are we that anal that we can’t let people have a *gasp* SANTA in their private living room? Damn Debra.

  72. Dont be daft. Its one thing to say what historical figure inspired the fictional character and another to say that fictional character could be black. He ist. He is white and lives in the North Pole. Suck on it. If you dont like having a white Xmas figure go and fucking invent your own black person giving out presents. So tired of people wanting to change white characters to Black. Do you see us trying to make Black Panther, or Storm from the Xmen into white people? NO. So fucking leave our white fictional characters alone.

  75. she deserved so much better, she got put up on secrets by her “caring” friends.

  76. I agree, Her ” caring friends” Have not only BLASTED it all over twitter, but now also put it up on virtual secrets. KNOWING it would blow up and more people would have an anonymous platform to shit talk Tim. And frankly. I FUCKING HATE IT. Leave them both alone. It was no ones damn business but theirs.

    I’ve had the chance to talk to Tim, and his main concern has been squid trying to heal from this. BUT NO ONE IS FUCKING LETTING HER.

    And for the assholes who are blaming Tim, it was their first meeting in person…. Certain things happen when you meet in the real world, it fucking happens. You don’t know what happened behind closed doors and going based off of gossip and ” I have a source that knows a source, that knows a sources third cousins dog who’s close to her dog that got the information.” Doesn’t fucking mean much.

    Give squid her damn space and let her heal, stop bringing this fucking shit up and stop blaming Tim for it all.
    If her friends fucking cared AT ALL, they’d shut the fuck up and let the dust settle before trying to pick things out with everything up in the air. What’s more important, trying to point fingers and blame? Or making sure your friends mental health and physical health is taken care of? If I see people trying to reply to this with blaming Tim, instead of worrying about the other parties mental health…. It shows where peoples fucking priorities are.

  77. you’re clearly not a friend of theirs either considering you’re here blasting whatever “juicy information” you got onto virtual secrets. do you want good guy points? timbre literally asked people on twt to stop mentioning him or showing him what’s going on.

    if you knew anything or were remotely close to them you’d know that they’re actively talking and trying to work it out so it seems and im glad to see that they’re very good together, idk what went down but i really don’t think it’s over for them.

  78. Tim cares so much about her healing that he has not left her alone since the breakup?? suss that out yourself hes a 40 year old man and she is literally 23/4

  80. lmfao You are wasting your time princess. Keep dreaming the dream one day you will wake up and be rich too.

  81. Giggles, let’s keep going sunshine I got time to kill tonight. I do have to work in the morning though. What about you, You have anything important to do in the morning? I do have a Commute through Florida Traffic to deal with to get to work.

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