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  1. the fuck is up with all the ‘secrets’ of tris counts? they don’t do that much lag; it’s ALL about script usage and what settings your graphics are at. I keep telling people avatar complexity issues are the least of your worries and just worry about your damn script count.

  2. 3- Why the HECK would you give someone you never met face to face 209K L?! WHY THO?!

  3. #12 : that sounds like a “you” problem, lol Never had a single issue with my Evo X heads, especially with fitting.

  4. #45 – I actually do not consider shops that always have sales. It means they do not believe in their actual prizes, or, worse, they do consider their clients idiots (that buy full price knowing that everything will be on one sale one day or another)

  5. 20. OMG yes, this is the exact reason why my partner never bought this shirt !

    22. That’d be amazing, for females too !!!

    45. No one is obligated to do a discount at any point, their store, their work, their product, their time, the choice you do have as customer is to buy or not buy regardless of creator’s decision.

  6. #23 all of that is completely wrong LOL Legacy sitting at 9k complimentary… they just never get that to be fix, shit Reborn isn’t that high not even close at 4k… Wtf are you smoking?

  7. #8 – Honestly, could you be more idiot!c posing like that? How old are you??!!

    #9 – i don’t know what petty chu said, but in SL is easy to pass as a “fat shaming” person since half of the femenine avatars are actually fat by design and desire!! Venus of Willendorf, get out of SL already!! my eyes cringe everytime I see one!!

    #10 – Do people have the patience to read people with that sut!d font??? and look at the manes font!!?? STOP with the idiot!c fonts!!

    #11 – you should see what Addams sells… well, thank you either way for all those free credits tho.. but I wouldn’t waste my money there.. There are more stores with sh!tty textures..

    #12 – Is because you rush to buy sh!tty stuff because it is new.. Remember Lady Malibu?? I like my system head, thank you. No mesh fkng head can reproduce its features but with good mesh. If you know of a brand tell me. But you wont.

    #13 – system heads aren’t cheap, it is you that likes to buy shiny things (not that I have alts that do have mesh heads, but only one I bought a head. It was pretty and original but it has many many flaws that the merchant wouldn’t fix. So I made a pledge that NEVER waste any money on fkng mesh heads that waste my money, have half sliders inoperative, looks like everyone else and needs a specific skin to use it.

    #14 – I bet the merchant will charge you with the clean clothes, even tho it cost nothing to do it.

    #15 – I don’t know what are you referring to, but, even tho it is really comfortable to watch a 15 minute video instead of a 2 hs long one, I bet you didn’t made a video about it, like, opening 100 gifts, wearing that sh!t, filming it, and then editing, rendering and uploading so the fat ass that you are can have 2 plus hours to play SL. Another way is that YOU go and YOU open all those gifts.

    #18 – I’m with you. But you know what? LL won’t do sh!t about stuff like complexity, nor the common folks that know NOTHING about this issue (or don’t care)
    I will name another one: MANGULA. Great clothes (some of them) awful models to show it, and half of what he sold is high as a kite in complexity.
    On Black Friday I bought a sweater at Addams and was like 10k.
    I like people who cares about complexity!

    #20 – and I bet no original mesh either…

    #21 – OMG!! Well, add venus of willendorf body and you are done.

    #22 – the glitching stuff… I think merchants do that on purpose so they can sell you the short version, so, some clothes they sell can work with it and some don’t, like when I was on blueberry, some shirts clipping over her own jeans and some don’t. BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUST YOUR INVENTORY AND BUY THIS LADY MALIBU THAT HAS A NEW HAT!

    #23 – I wish more people would care about complexity.

    #24 – those are pixels, why would you care about she wearing the same clothes? You might be a person that likes to bust the inventory to sh!t and use real money to clothe a pixel doll.

    #27 – those are digital objects that can copy to infinitum.. so, they are still TOO EXPENSIVE!! (not counting the fact that some are very similar to others..

    #28 – not necessarily…

    #29 – *A* SL secret

    #30 – is that a top desinger? I don’t know him or her. and again, kudos for people that shows attention to the complexity stuff!!

    #31 – I couldn’t read well, I don’t know that language.

    #33 – ??

    #34 – sorry, again, I couldn’t read well, I don’t know that language. Had to stop almost middle sentence..

    #35 – #36 – #37 – Again, I applaud the people who draw attention to complexity issues within sl.

    #40 – Awful! Is that person 10 years old?

    #42 – yeah what’s up with that??? Addams and blueberry do that all the time!! and they have die hard fans that i personally hate. You need to be able to say stuff like that without people going straight to your jugular.

    #44 – xD
    Also, looks like an idiot with that font .

    #46 – people who form “families” in SL are delusional freaks.

    #48 – When I said something along the lines on SL forum everyone went to my jugular because “SL is like that” SL forums are filled with toxic morons.

    #50 – yeah, creators and those web pages / events are disgusting. SL is full of invisible pony riders with wide hips long and shelf like asses… the fk with that!!?? and if you count that MOST USERS ARE FEMALE that is making me thinking to who are they showing off (males and lesbos? or is a “who shows off the most vulva” stuff?)

    #51 – you can say that and still argue

    #52 – Adults cosplaying as kids are FREAKS. I think the owner of that store made this post. shame on you.

    #55 – who’s that

    #57 – no I don’t think it is. Many people don’t have cellulitis and wrinkles (I don’t) and I’m real 🙂

    • sigh… can’t ppl want to be innocent and live out a positive childhood virtually? There’s a lot of good reasons ppl rp as kids. You’ll find some weirdos anywhere, but don’t generalize an entire group. Sounds very 19th century thinking. “Shame on you.” and no, not the owner. I just really appreciate finding ppl that put in a good effort on making original mesh, poses and animations that work right for several avatars and good rigging on clothing items. Since the kid community is smaller than adult community you don’t always get ppl that put in as much effort into it cuz there’s a smaller pool to shop from.

  8. #56 – Shame on you for trying to hold Miwa accountable. That is not how it works. Have realistic expectations. She is one of the Cancel Culture Queens and must not be held responsible for her own actions. She is valid and gets to point the finger at anyone who happens to attract her attention while gaining feelings of recognition and self importance.

    • Ohh shit! Lay it on them fam!
      It’s too bad she doesn’t even have the intelligence, kindness or talent to become as popular as her friends. A girl can dream.

  9. 58 – had a person in my life once upon a time who would talk my business for literally no reason. people who do that find themselves with no real friends and only surrounded by people looking for random tea spills for the fun of it. recognize the flags. kick them out of your own social circle.

  10. #7

    That awkward moment when someone has a shitty life and needs to post on Virtual Secrets so they can get some attention and feel better about themselves. In reality you’re just a pathetic little person playing a video game and isn’t a big enough adult to leave shit alone and not make up some stupid ass stories.

    Instead of taking the time to post here on Virtual Secrets maybe you should take some time for self reflection and unfuck your own life and stop going after other people who dont even give an ounce of a fuck about you or the rock you crawled out from under.

    So remove your head from your own ass and stop fucking with Angel Aeon.

    • Why? She’s fucked enough people on the grid both figuratively and literally that it’s time someone does her in the same way.

    • OR COLLABORATE DOING GREAT MESH INSTEAD OF DUPLICATING BADLY MADE MESH INTO AN OLD VIDEOGAME THAT CAN’T SUPPORT LAG ISSUES

  12. #2 You’re all going to look so stupid for hounding these poor people when they get back together.

    • The whole thing doesn’t even make sense. Something so awful happened but they still casually reply to each other’s posts and retweet each other? Looks weird, to be honest.

  13. #36 and other tris secrets
    Most video cards can handle the polygon count of those static meshes well. What does the topology look like? For example very long triangles even low count can cause problems.
    Read up on topology. Lag can be caused by many factors. Dynamic light, eep, point light, having shadows enabled or not, how many different materials in your scene, all skeleton mesh, animations, moving objects and collusion. To say it short: the amount of draw calls.
    It seems you have some beef with those stores?
    Why not start your own store with low poly mesh? All this bitching is gonna make you sick 😉

    • You can clearly see if an object is causing lag or not.

      Your comment sounds like is made by a 10 year old. Grow up.

    • Hello Unity Pro, I’m the Emperor of Japan, nice to meet you!

  14. #1 Are you really bitching about a separate TV accessory? Get a grip..
    #6 Well, neither. I was minding my business and he so happened to come in my space.
    #12 EvoX was a mistake to you, lol. Go back to Evo Classic then? Simple. Then again what do I know. I like to just slap on a cute hairbase and go about my day, mesh hair is irritating.
    #13 Uh, good for you I guess?
    #23 I wear eBODY Reborn, interesting.
    #25 This is weird, why do you care about what she’s wearing and how often?
    #27 Love love love LeLUTKA.
    #45 Creators are not obligated to make sales, but I do love them and wish they’d do more outside of Black Friday. 😂Definitely would attract more potential customers.

  15. Get off the virtual game and quit bitching about stores not holding black friday sales. Go experience rl. Each year either people complain someone didn’t do a sale or complain how virtual stores ran them to take rl cash that could be spent on loved ones in rl. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. If a store doesn’t want to run a sale. That’s their prerogative. Don’t bully people into sales with their stores. You have too much freedom on your hand to have to pressure stores to sell you virtual items at low cost. Jeezes.

  16. #57 I don’t know who you’re talking about, and I’ll be the first to criticize an av that looks like the shoulders are too narrow to support a ribcage with functioning lungs let alone them tiddies, but I walk the realism walk. Studies of faces show that “beauty” is, literally, “average,” like, the more faces you average together, the more pretty a person you get.

    Why be that when I could be anything?

    The hottest person I’ve ever seen in SL has a straight-up crooked mouth. My avatar is covered in flaws: bad skin, wrinkles, eyebags that aren’t “cute,” cellulite, moles from head to toe. I worship at the altar of Izzie’s, because imperfection is way more interesting to me.

  17. #10. Wow someone seems butt hurt. I go to this sim all the time and they are all very good people. You know what they do? Kick people who act like trash and are toxic… you mad bc they protect their family, friends, and sim? then your the problem babe. They constantly have games and safe spaces, and informative meetings… they really care about everyone that goes there. If you have an issue maybe you should bring it to the sim and hash it out like an adult.. or are you Banned? oh guess we all know why your crying on SL secrets then.

  18. 25:

    I don’t get the point. Most guys wear only 1 outfit and nobody says a thing about it. If she likes that outfit then let her wear whatever the fuck she wants.

  19. @sands/georgemichael

    I’m very sorry you never managed to make a living as an independent artist in SL. And I am sure it hurts seeing other artists do well while you had to get a job working for others, my heart goes out to you. I hope one day you can leave your bitterness behind and that you can stop shitting on SL creators. Cause it is embarrassing for you.Take care.

  20. 10- well someone peed in your cheerios. As someone who visits that sim and has spoke to those people and lives in the sim…I’d say your wrong. Everyone who goes there knows summer is an alt. She is used for their bank stuff. And other than that no alts go there everyone pretty much voices at that sim sooooooo…. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess your either an ex of the paisley chick or theirs or ex friend. Also you saying they do anything for quick cash is dumb they help out everyone like family. I’ve watched them take their own linden and give it to others just so a group could all go out and do weekend sales and no one feel left out. I hope people actually do go to their sim and meet them that way whatever cry baby posted this can be proved wrong.

    • its very obvious who this person is… theres only one person who got kicked out of the MC for being toxic, and then rejected for trying to crawl back, who knows pasiley and jessie and matt to call them out personally…. and know what the sim looks like to be able to make nasty comments bc they just joined the group. lola you stupid twat…. how desprate can you be?

      • Well as the one being bashed. I could care less. Let people meet us and make their own opinions. It’s just free advertising for the sim anyways lol my inbox is open if you wanna come hash it out with me. Could be Lola. Could be AriannaAddams. Either way thank you for advertising my sim on vs I appreciate you for it.

  21. #36 and all the other secrets about optimization.

    I didn’t wanna share my thoughts last week, but it seems like this topic is gonna go on and I want to clear up few a misconceptions first before I share my thoughts.

    • More triangle doesn’t mean better looking mesh at all, in fact the opposite. Most of the time the higher count is a mess of a topology that is making the item look sloppy and messy and worse.
    • Opposite to more triangles doesn’t equal better quality, more textures DOES increase the quality no matter how you slice it. That is also where a lot of the lag and performance hits come from. Excessive use of textures. There are no ways around this because LL hasn’t added in the tools and systems required to optimize textures while keeping quality up.
    • Optimization is not just about making lowpoly mesh, it has to be a collective effort from the DEV team and it requires far far far more than just lowpoly mesh.

    Ok with those out of the way, I’m gonna share my thoughts on this topic. Optimization of a product is always the responsibility of the developer/publisher not the user. No one should expect users to optimize a platform. You all need to stop calling SL users stupid or brainless etc because they don’t know the difference between a well optimized mesh and a terrible messy one. It’s not their job to know. That’s like a programmer calling you stupid for not knowing C++ or medical professional calling you stupid for not knowing proper medical terms. Just stop it.

    Users log in to enjoy a product and it’s not their responsibility to be the technical artists of the platform. If something is allowed/available then they will use it and enjoy it. Remember SL creators are not developers, they are also users. They are hobbiest, if SL is the only place they worked for, they are not professional artists. They are hobbiests who learned along the way to get by on SL. You can’t expect them to know how to do everything professionally and perfectly. That is an unfair expectation.

    Making a mesh properly, that is well optimized and looks good not only takes knowledge and experience in actual game dev (not just creating for sl, like real game dev experience) but also is significantly time consuming. It easily double and in some cases triples the production timeline of an asset. So this brings up a few other things that I have brought up several times.

    When we have people who flood the market nonstop with stolen/illegal mesh, people who hire unethically cheap labour to mesh (aka get terrible quality/optimized meshes because you get what you pay for) also flood the market, what is an honest creator supposed to do? Let’s take Dust Bunny’s donut since it was brought up. Say she spent the time making that donut properly, in which she wouldn’t need more than 100-200 tris, and used a small 128 texture or a 1k texture with bunch of other stuff on the UV. Let’s assume she did it properly like that. What would be the outcome? nothing, it wouldn’t make a difference to SL’s lag issues. All it will do is make her take 3x longer to make that donut, have someone else walk in and make a donut with 200k tris and use 4 1k textures and to the end user the one with more textures will look better so they will buy that one. So all that will happen to Dust Bunny is, she will work herself to death, and lose sales to someone else who wouldn’t optimize their mesh. SL creators are already fighting off the unethically hired and sourced meshes, and compete with flood of stolen goods that none of you care about. Apparently it’s only a problem when Scandalize steals, everyone else I watch you all give a pass to. So I can’t blame Dust Bunny for saying “fuck it, why should i work 3x longer and make less money when no one else cares about doing anything properly”.

    LL is responsible for the optimization of its platform. They have not added any of the tools or systems, shaders and support for creators to use any modern optimizing techniques. No one wants SL to look like a 1998 PC game. Their outdated Li system has been getting gamed and cheated (news flash a 1 Li mesh doesn’t mean it’s optimized) They have failed to implement a Li system for avatars. ( Another newsflash, avatars are responsible for -majority- of the performance issues, significantly more than static objects around the grid)

    In an ideal world, all creators would optimize their mesh, and do it properly and SL would run better. However in an ideal world people also wouldn’t be flooding the market with stolen meshes, they wouldn’t be flooding the market with unethically sourced meshes. As long as some other person can come in SL and release a pair of jeans with 12 textures on it, there is no logical reason for one designer to be conservative and only use 1 texture for their pair of jeans. the one who uses 12 textures will always get the sales because it will simply look better.

    This is why I find it completely useless to try to single out a few designers when 99% of content on SL is made by hobbiests and are faulty and not properly optimized anyway. How many creators on SL have shipped multiple game titles and have actually worked in a production setting? Most of them here talking about optimization have never really had to optimize a game for production before. They are guessing, or repeating things they heard on a youtube video or read on some forum.

    Get on LL’s case, and demand them to add tools, checks, restrictions for everyone, so -everyone- is forced to do it properly. Stop trying to single out 2-3 brands on here when 99% of shit on SL is unoptimized. Creators don’t even have the tools to optimize them with modern techniques even if they wanted to anyway.

    Sorry for the long rant, I know most won’t even read this, or will read 1 or 2 lines and start arguing. However these are my thoughts on this topic.

      • Oh j remember your posts before. You tend to make sense.

        Common sense however talks out of her well you know what.

        I don’t have a clue about SL being sold but my point still stands. If Nutmeg ans her team of cheap labor can release 3 shit products a week flooding events she can spend the extra 10 dollars per contractor per model to sort the model out. You can tell they try to hide it by the way they link shit and use rezzers.

        I gave a pass to solo creators but these guys importing shit mesh don’t get one sorry.

      • You really have it in for me don’t you…. lol. It’s so deep that you have to think about me when replying to GM even when he and I are agreeing in a topic.

        At any point I may just start to troll you. The fact that I pointed out the issue is larger than three stores and you still have your ass itching to go after three rather than focus on the bigger picture is quite comical.

        What, did you try to work for any of them and get rejected? It’s getting to that level. And I’m still looking for that comment for proof of your allegation. I can sense being a lawyer or paralegal and providing proof is not your forte. When you accuse someone, there’s such a thing as a gyazo to provide proof of your argument. If not you are just eating shit.

      • I don’t work in SL and lawyer LOL no thanks.

        I live on my army pension and social security hey ho! Nice try though to again diffuse the subject and make it NOT about those brands. Hey look everybody over there, I have seen your distractions and call you on them, which is why you keep having to come at me. Clearly somebody is blustering (and it ain’t me).

        Again you are a really obvious being obvious poster. Sorry you can’t handle the heat darling. Perhaps go and get some of those C-Suite good old boys to give you some training on how to post on websites LOL.

      • You just are an asshole, but then again sorry to say a lot of service members join the service because they are just that. Assholes. I assume you also come here to bitch every week about SL users that never come here.

        You are the one that absolutely loves to trash talk everyone irregardless to all of their point of view. You blame a creator, rather than Linden labs for setting the situation. You blame your neighbor, irregardless to you not knowing anything about them. I mean come on.

        I could care less about a bunch of people that usually come here week and and week out saying snarky comments to one another, and backstabbing friends in Sl because it makes them feel good to be dicks. That doesn’t mean they are higher IQ. It just means they are assholes.

        And lol, nope no training needed. You need to sit down like the grown adult you claim to be and accept that not everyone agrees with you. Instead of going on and on attacking and then claiming someone made a previous comment without providing proof. And by the way you don’t have to be lawyer, that is actually what someone that has factual proof does. In any conversation.

        Remember the motto? live and Let live? Do onto others as you want them to do to you? You didn’t learn jack shit about that. People come to SL to unwind, and then we got wannabe dictators wanting people to follow what you claim. Enough, we already have a lot of shit going on in rl to now have people like you trying to direct the shots in SL. If you have a problem, direct it to the actual Lindens. That is their job, the SL platform.

      • Wow you really are rattled by me.

        Service members are assholes?
        Disabled people are whores?

        My my where were you parents when you were growing up.

        Ps it is Linden Lab you can’t even get their name right miss fake CEO.

      • Oh ps service member kept you safe while you slept in your bed making up fantasies about working with c suites. If that makes me an asshole you might as well gone and burn the flag too you disgrace of a human being.

      • Anyone who has to brag about doing their service or whatever, is a piss poor serviceman or woman. Just sayin’.

      • I have never bragged about it, how strange for you on that name to post one time on this site LOL – did you use a VPN Common Sense LOL obvious poster being obvious AGAIN.

        UYu better believe if some idiot calls Service Members assholes they will get a response from me. Choke on that as we say on Reddit.

      • Yeah I knew that was your arrogent, self absorbed, holier than everyone else ass.

      • and yet……you are the one that feels the need to hide behind an anonymous name. Who is more likely to be the ass? The person who stands by their words and doesn’t hide? or someone who hides behind an anonymous name to name call?

      • Naming myself George Michael is literally the give away, how else would you have known it’s me?

      • You do realize some people in rl have that name. They do share it with George Michael which was actually the professional name for: Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou. << Fun fact: George Michael was not named George Michael from birth. Other than that, there probably is someone in sl with that name too.

    • re LL

      every month there are creator meetings and it’s brought up, and the lindens just shake their head and say “we know”. no action taken, nothing. people offer solutions, offer to volunteer help, training, a youtube channel (others offered to do tutorials and translate to multiple languages) was suggested a few times, etc, nothing. just shrugs and avoiding answers.

      i don’t think they care either. they can’t clean up this game enough for a quick sale and it makes enough money for them to get paid. so we’re stuck in lag hell because no one cares because it makes money.

      we don’t even have a mobile or tablet version of SL after years of people asking, whereas roblox (which honestly is sl for kids) has that. roblox, zepeto, and i think IMVU has their own studio program to keep assets usable. i feel LL would have to implement something like that to get a good handle on making assets consistent and usable but i don’t think that’ll happen tbh

      i genuinely think LL wants it to die and hope that we kill it off for them at this point.

      • Yeah LL ignores a lot of requests, simply because it would require additional staffing to implement those features. They don’t want to spend the money, maybe because they feel the financial investment wouldn’t pay off based SL’s population or trending/projected income. I don’t work in finance so no idea.

        Though that does bring us back to the original topic, if LL doesn’t implement changes to improve optimization and stability, how can we hold users accountable for it? I 100% understand it, it’s very annoying when you see a mesh on SL that has so much unnecessary verts, adding to the mess. Sometimes I look at something and go “but why? this is just ridiculous”. Reality is though, as long as the platform allows someone to upload a high poly mesh, allows 12 1k textures on a single piece of mesh, someone will do it and everyone else has to follow because that one person will set the quality expectation.

        Geometry, you can retopo, and do proper topology and not have it affect the overall quality of your mesh by keeping your topology and poly count reasonable. However there is no way to compete with someone who uses 20 textures on a pair of shoes, if you are using 1. In modern engines there are lots of shader parameters to help with this. For example micro fabric detail comes from a small 64×64 normal map that gets tiled across the model and slotted in a “detail normal map” slot. Which we don’t have on SL. LL would need to spend the time, money, man power to create and update their shaders, then cap these slots to only use a 64×64 texture for the detailed slot for example. Otherwise someone will use a 1k cotton map in the detail slot.

        With the flood of stolen meshes designers have to compete with, with all the unethical 3rd party mesher hiring practices, for a designer to compete in SL’s market and make a living they need to produce crap fast. Those people have driven the prices down and flood the market so much, some of them are doing 6-7 releases a month. It’s insane. The way the market is people have to make shit fast, and make lots of it if they wanna pay their rent. So yes they really don’t have the time to sit there and optimize their meshes when the person next to them is downloading meshes from a russian site and just shoving it on sl.

        LL is responsible for all of this, not only their lack of updating SL from a technical stand point, but also not policing the community and keeping it ethical. They allowed SL to become a cesspool and now at the stage that it is, you have to play it like the rest to make money on it.

        So it’s a hate the game not the player situation. Can’t really expect X Y and Z brand to lose money and do things properly when 100s of others aren’t. In reality what you are asking them is to give up their sales to someone else. Redirect your annoyance towards LL and put pressure on them instead.

      • i get what you’re saying but some things:

        if LL doesn’t implement changes to improve optimization and stability, how can we hold users accountable for it?

        we can’t unfortunately. but like, at one point, high upload costs was supposed to be a deterrent but if you’re making tons of money or are an older user, you don’t get hit. this problem that’s being discussed is specifically a “big brand” (ie we’ve seen them at big events) problem. smaller shops don’t do this.

        With the flood of stolen meshes designers have to compete with, with all the unethical 3rd party mesher hiring practices, for a designer to compete in SL’s market and make a living they need to produce crap fast. Those people have driven the prices down and flood the market so much, some of them are doing 6-7 releases a month. It’s insane. The way the market is people have to make shit fast, and make lots of it if they wanna pay their rent. So yes they really don’t have the time to sit there and optimize their meshes when the person next to them is downloading meshes from a russian site and just shoving it on sl.

        that’s true and i understand the grind however:

        regarding flooding this game with cg trader/turbosquid/russian model sites, you can’t avoid that but people shop at these brands bc their mesh is uniquely and stylistically their own. dust bunny doesn’t have to worry about missing out on a sale because they went to ??? brand. i buy name brand bc i want name brand. not bobo brand.

        these creators (esp the 3 we’re discussing) do give a shit about presentation and aesthetics but it’s literally just functionality is where most fuck it up. if i’m going to spend hours on a mesh, i can spend the time learning how to do it right or at least buying tools that can make me more efficient? quad remesher is affordable (esp for creators who live in coutnries with a strong dollar) and a tool that would help them work faster and better? plus, i don’t know if other countries do this, but you can expense out what programs you purchase and it helps if you’re an indp. contractor?

        it’s probably bc i work in a creative industry outside of SL that i can’t have that type of fatalistic attitude. just because i’m competing with people who don’t give a shit, doesn’t mean i won’t give a shit. someone is paying me to give a shit so i’m going to give a shit lol.

        regarding releases: if they’re doing 6-7 releases a month (usually all for events), that’s on them. they pay the fees, give themselves the deadline, and burn themselves out each month instead of just either spacing it out or hiring someone else to help keep the pace (many brands on SL do this) like i said last week, this game was never meant to be a full time job. i know i’m in a place of privelege that i can still treat this as a hobby but again, this as a job isn’t sustainable. SL is bleeding users year to year and that boom we saw last year during the height of the pandemic is not coming back again. these business ppl said go out and work/make us money and we do not give a shit if you die while doing it lmao.

      • You make some really good points. Let’s put aside the time constraints and market demands for a second. Your solution of these brands spending more money/time retopologizing and creating better topology would solve the excessive vert usage issue. However majority of the lag and performance issues are tied to texture overuse. Specially in static objects where verts aren’t carrying weight information and stuff.

        How could someone really compete with texel density of someone else who is using 12 textures? What would your suggestion be? How would you optimize that on SL without losing significant quality or end using a lot of repeated details across a model?

      • one thing that would greatly help texture overuse for small deco is just…people learning to bake multiple textures in one map vs several. it’s a small thing but i’ve tested items i’ve made with multiple maps vs baking stuff into 1 or 2 and you definitely see the loading difference. i personally don’t think small deco items need to fully utilize an entire 1024×1024 map because rarely are we zooming into seeing a tiny sprinkle or some seed on top of a surface lol.

        people used to do this at one point but again, money/lack of time/deadlines makes people cut corners.

        https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=baking+texture+one+map+

        and i know blender and 3ds have plugins for this too.

        i’ve only seen a few brands (off top of my head, fapple and random matter) do this whereas a lot just…don’t. and i know it’s “easier” for them to assign the texture to the face one by one but like, the time alone to just…asign multiple textures over and over to an item vs just baking it all into one map? i get clothing having multiple textures bc of huds but for a lot of brands, clothing creators utilize this method a lot more than deco creators. i don’t know why.

        the ever efficient side of me is like, 10L upload (1 texture for an item) vs 50L(5 textures on an item) and i save time uploading? i’ll take it lol!

      • That doesn’t address the texel density issue. Texel density is basically the amount of pixels dedicated to physical surface of an object. The reason they don’t do that is not because they don’t know how, it’s because packing all their stuff in one texture significantly reduces the texel density, thus less pixels used for details per model. In simple terms the textures will look blurry or not enough pixels to define sharp high quality looking details.

        That is why you see a pair of jeans broken up into 12 textures. Breaking up your model across multiple textures is the equivalency of when someone breaks a 550k rigged sweater into multiple pieces to get around the 67k tris upload limit. They break up their textures to get around the 1k resolution texture limit. If Nutmeg packed all their textures into one UV, all those nice detailed wood grain that people like on their stuff would look blurry and not as appealing. It’s not responsible to put each little detail on it’s own 1k resolution map, but if Nutmeg stopped doing that, another designer will come around and do it, and their stuff will look nicer (obviously more pixels per cm of a surface) and people will say “omg that looks so good!” and go buy their stuff. That is why I say you guys need to be angry with LL not individual creators.

        Problem with getting around the texture limit by using multiple textures for a single object is that with topology, you don’t need to go high to maintain quality. There will be literally no difference visually between a sweater that has 550k tris vs one that is topologized properly at 8k tris. No quality loss. However with textures it’s a different story, there will be a massive difference in visual quality if you reduce your texel density by packing your stuff in fewer textures. There is no way around it and as long as someone is allowed to do that, they will and the rest of the designers have to follow along and do it too or lose sales.

        I get called arrogant when I speak about difference between SL “artist” and real professional artists. However there is a huge gap in knowledge and information, if all you have done is make content for SL, even if you have done it for 10+ years there is just so much you wouldn’t know. That is just fact of life, I wouldn’t know any of this had I not worked on AAA titles and shipped titles either. There is a huge difference between professional production and hobbiest asset creation on a user generated platform. It’s not shitting on SL creators, it’s just a fact.

        For example in a real game, your environment technical director will have a texel density per meter ratio and that is the rule everyone follows. For example they say something like “we use 512×512 per 1 meter of in game surface space”. Then artists adjust how much texture space they allocate to each part of an object based on that general rule so the entire game world looks uniform in terms of detail. So you don’t see a tiny spoon on a table having the same texel density as a 4×4 wood plank against the wall.

      • I think the new investment company wants it to die. The other just wanted to survive. They see Tilia as the true product.

      • ABSOLUTELY. venture capital companies more or less swoop in, get rid of what’s too much work, and keep what’s profitable. gut it, and fire everyone in the process. we’ve seen it happen to so many companies in my country and it’s a way of life in the US as well.

      • Assuming that best case scenario this one will not do that. It will still push for what is more profitable………………………………………………………………………………………….. on the short run. Because that is the big problem with companies. They do things on the short. Even if they may actually gain more revenue on the long run. They don’t care. American toxic impatient practices are causing both the end of companies and let’s face it, end of the country and with it many of the other ones as well.

      • That is the opposite of how the company that invested in LL has handled their business in the last 80 years. Maybe you should, I don’t know, research them instead of assuming?

      • Actually their business centered around financial ones. Just because the pattern with financial ones is fo rthem to survive it doesn’t mean they want the same with SL.

        Remember LL has two products: SL itself and LL. What these vultures tend to do is invest in the area that makes them more money. Quickly. Yes, it may seem that the business is healthy and it continues on. For instance Bain Capital owned and they may still own Dunkin Donuts. Has it faltered? That doesn’t mean all of their other assets have survived till now.

        They always tend to work by streamlining practices and cutting what to them is the fat. The issue is that some of these do business in a way that hamper the companies and completely dissolve them. Their overall history does not play well for this investment firm in particular.

        By the way, how many other games do they have under the belt?

    • Okay, now that I read your opinion. That is actually my own. Creators have pressures and it’s not just to quick dime people. It is a competitive road. And they aren’t experts in what they do. Maybe after 10 years they are, but they are not. And the fact that people are comparing this to Triple AAA games is ridiculous.

      My whole opinion is that we are attacking creators and thereby also attacking users for something they cannot control. Especially when it comes to the home and landscape area; where there is limited items to begin with. For all the times I’ve asked for alternatives to Dust Bunny and similar creators my response was skin and body content which is fine, because the bulk of creating in SL is for bodies.

      Not everyone owns land, the demand is not there.

      Now I may not work in mesh but I do work for Technology (actual CRM systems and Financial Technology). So I know what is happening behind Linden Labs or I at least have some experience enough to give an educated guess.

      Here goes:

      1. Changing us from a CPU Heavy Engine to Graphics Card Heavy.I would say this is impossible, or if not it is so heavy and cost intensive that it is unattainable. This is the type of project most corporations do not do, and kick down the road. If it actually gets done they break the project into bits and cut the software into smaller fragments. Can we actually do that wish SL?
      2. Less intensive, but more than likely just as $$$, the ability to add front end building and texturing potential for mesh (what you want or similar). The upfront cost is incredibly expensive unless there is a way of breaking this into smaller components. (Agile), and giving us the most cost beneficial one.

      The cost of doing these will more than likely be in the multiple millions of dollars. The amount of heads that would need to be added, the amount of teams that would need to be impemented more than likely outweigh the current benefit. The only way is if they see that in so doing their growth in revenue coming in will make up for it.

      Unfortunately, a large percentage of the User base in Sl doesn’t spend. Those that do are not knowledgeable and will not look into what is a better item. That is not in their place to do so. And lastly, creators have too much competition. The User base that comes in day in and day out has been going down for years. And it is not the lag, it is just that people grow out of SL. Some quit because they get burnt by friends and sl lovers, some quit because they find what they are looking for, or just saw this as a way of passing time, others because they find it boring. And some will leave because they don’t see it modern enough.

      So LL is in a tight spot. In order to do what everyone wants them to do, they need to seek funds. And right now their current owners are an Investment company that have their eyes on Tilia. They would need to ask for loans to accomplish this. And be able to confirm that they will be earning that back and be able to pay for it.

      A lot of RL companies that aren’t games, have faulty mainframe, CRM, Financial ones due to the cost to change over and the fact that companies want to see quick ROIs.

      • I’m no expert on the finance or programming/engineering side of things. What I can add to your assessment though is that there is a huge shortage of technical artists and 3d programmers industry wide. Even massive studios with billions of dollars behind them are struggling to fill those roles. It is indeed a very costly endeavor that i cannot imagine SL’s income can finance.

        When LL sale and take over took place. I told everyone that the type of investment group that had purchased LL was the type that buys a dying business on the cheap and keeps it on life line with the goal to make their money back in 3-4 years and get profits for another 2-3 years and for however long after that it may last. Old MMOs are sold like that all the time. It was a sign that LL had realized SL has gone as far as it can go and they can no longer invest in it and see a return for their investment. Yet I was flamed by you-know-who. Anyone with a little bit of experience in the tech industry could look at that transaction and tell you what it was really about. Yet our local resident expert who think of themselves as “entrepreneur” because they sold slut wear they don’t even make themselves on secondlife, lecturing us all and reassuring everyone on LL’s behalf, telling us all that the investment group was gonna pour money into SL!

        lol ….

      • I think part of what pissed me off about the commenting in SL Secrets is that I work on this 60 hours a day at work. Fight with C-Suites to get systems upgraded that are basically in 1980 technology when they do not want to spend the millions because all they see is the debit to their P&L and the lack of ROI on it. From Oracle Financials, Hadoop. Salesforce, Crunchtime (lord that system is like dealing with a 1970s bum, and I often see the blame in my workworld on the associates and the employees rather than the systems themselves that do not facillitate their workflow plans. Which usually ends up in childish behavior. It almost feels like the end user is being blamed for buying mesh; and is being advised that they should do their homework. When they are the consumer, they should not have to do that. That homework should been framed by LL so that the creator would have an easier workflow through SL since this game wasn’t created for development engineers. That I personally believe some of this is caused by consumers and our massive need to go to 23213213 events is another topic.

        But SL will not change it. If they had been bought by a private equity firm that helps games I would have thought so. This one works with banks and I am sure that they are looking at Tilia as the true product. And part of the reason why they removed gacha was to make it marketable to the next buyer. The same as Destinations. I may be incorrect, but didn’t Destinations used to have adult content? Now I no longer see it. That to me feels like eventually they will try to touch the Adult category in SL. They are probably analyzing the ROI on that, and whether removing that would hamper SL’s revenue.

        Hell, in normal enterprises the kiss of death is being bought out by a Private Equity form. Bain Capital is infamous for a reason in rl. They come to companies, they streamline as much as possible, shift the P&L statements around a bit to make the company look more profitable. Which means they cut staff and downsize the companies to the point where they are on the point of collapse and then they resell them or better yet, close down the elements that they can to resell them and earn money. Take for instance Sears, the very CEO owned one of those companies if I recall. He took over and drove the company from a tight non-revenue (but not drastic loss) to one where the company was liquidated for their assets. Their physical properties. The same happened to Pier 1. The same will happen to LL. I see all this fighting with a handful of decoration creators as nonsense, when the very game is on the cutting board. And let’s face it, most people that buy aren’t doing events that would hamper the performance of other SLs. (Body accessories is different, hence why I have always made fun of Legacy)

      • That’s exactly what I said when the take over was taking place. I was like if LL was being sold to a tech company, you could be optimistic that the said company has seen potential and had the finances and infrastructure to build and upgrade SL. They sold it to an investment group that also owns AC repair company and airplane maintenance …..it’s not like Adobe buying Substance Painter or Epic buying quixel or Activision buying Blizzard ….what did they think would happen? You’d think someone who claims to have a business degree and an entrepreneur would be able to figure that out. I don’t have a business degree nor am I an entrepreneur. but just equipped with a little bit of common sense I put two and two together when I looked up the investment firm buying LL ….

      • The variable you’re expecting might be different in this case, because the firm that purchased LL are actually personal close friends of the founder, Philip Rosedale for nearly 14 years and not just a bunch of randoms.
        source: https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2020/07/linden-lab-second-life-acquired.html

        There also seems seem to be some genuine interest in improving Second Life, considering they hired a new VP of engineering who seems promising, with game dev and microsoft development background as a senior –
        source: https://modemworld.me/2021/09/18/mojo-linden-the-labs-new-engineering-vp-discusses-sl-at-tpvd-meeting/

        My point is, the future is uncertain, but it may not be as negative as you think. I do have some hope, especially after they finally hired someone right for the job for once. Their last VP of Engineering only ever did communications for businesses in the 90s, so this is a big step. It’s good to see that Linden Labs is still being passed between friends and family, and not handed over to people who have no emotional attachment.

      • Except the investment firm is a group not owned by an individual. A friendship with one of the board members would only go as far as facilitating the deal easier. Hiring a single VP engineer without subsequent hiring of a team of programmers, engineers, technical artists and 3d artists doesn’t really do much. What is this one person going to do? Add to it the fact the investment firm doesn’t have a tech sector infrastructure to support LL. For example if LL was bought by Epic or Embracer Group, those corporates/investment groups have many development studios in the field and could allocate and support LL with both staffing and production needs. This investment group owns airplane maintenance and AC repair companies ….what are they gonna do? It’s very obvious their target was Tilia.

        Which is why we haven’t seen a surge of hiring in LL since the take over, we haven’t seen any major projects in development, we haven’t seen any major changes. 2021 is almost over, it has been long enough since the take over that if there was any positive hope we would have seen/heard about some kind of development.

      • “What is this one person going to do?“

        Idk, maybe have influence over the boomers at Linden Labs whose resumes sit on 90s era communication and business companies? lmao! This may not be a big deal to you, but it is a big deal for Linden Labs, because they used to pride on not employing game devs for SL and have been in the dark or delayed important features their platform and users desperately need. Within two months of the new VP being on board, we’re finally seeing modern improvements, like two-factor authentication, or the thought-to-be-dead-and-cancelled 360 viewer within two months of him being around. They’ve also been fixing a lot of broken shit lately too, so maybe we might see Second Life finally run on multiple threads, because past influences in the company are old people who think everyone still uses a brick that’s old enough to go to college.

        Since 2019, LL hired graphic engineers and programmers, but a lot of their work is most likely trying to sort out the 18 year old mess left behind and making sure it doesn’t break existing things on the grid. I don’t think we’ll see too much happen right away.

        And let’s be real: If LL was bought by Epic, they’d toss Second Life out, because fixing it without damaging its user generated economy is way too much trouble, not to mention the amount of work trying to maintain it and its wild communities is an insane amount of work, with a lot of risks involved.

        Which brings up my point: There’s been a lot of changes and fixes on the back end. There are active monthly user meetings to try and find a nice balance point that won’t damage what’s already on the grid because LL already knows ARC is broken to the point where it’s useless, among other things like a severe problems with its engine that drops frames when faced with basic professional modeling practices. There’s been a lot of user engagement, events, community gatherings, and new activities added from LL themselves to help keep interest in the platform and remove the terrible reputation Second Life built for itself since its conception for new users. They’re reworking their website and marketplace systems which now has purchase records, redeliveries and mass updates. They’ve grown have a large team of users they’ve hired and are actively looking for more, who are well versed in 3D modeling for the SL’s platform and programming in its weird script language. They may not be what you expect, but they are the ‘technical artists’ and ‘3D artists’ that are specifically catered to assets done for Linden Labs’ own community continents, events, and interactive ‘experiences/adventures’.

        In summary, through thorough research in their recent their actions: they are trying, and they will take a while to roll out something big and flashy like a graphical upgrade because SL is a massive tangled mess that only started to be untangled when they were finished moving everything to the cloud in Oct 2020, and the reason why they put it on the cloud is so they can maintain and make changes to Second Life’s 18 year old back-end. Since the move, we’ve seen more changes, updates and engagements than we have ever witnessed, and they’re still hot on rolling out changes, fixes, and old project revivals in 2021.

        Is this an argument that Linden Labs’ Investors may or may not care about Second Life? No, but I can at least inform you that there’s been more activity in development than we have ever seen in the last decade, and far more than you currently think. This may or may not change your opinion, but I can at least say I like what’s happening lately.

        (Except the NFT shit. LL’s been flirting with that concept lately in collaboration with other media publishers, but LL’s trying to do new things I guess loool).

      • “Hired large team of users” ….legendary. I think that about summed up your logic and level of intelligence in debating this topic.

      • “I think that about summed up your logic and level of intelligence in debating this topic.”

        You didn’t even read my point, did you? My point was to note that your statement about how Lindens are doing nothing is wrong. I gave you dates, I gave you descriptions of what they’re up to, I noted the massive update activity and back-end fixing that happened right after they hired their new VP of engineering since Sept 2021. I also just told you that the new people they hired, such as their VP of engineering and graphics engineer are qualified if you actually did some research and looked at their resumes.

        To shorten it in one sentence:
        They’ve been fixing a lot of back-end shit, brought forward new features one by one that everyone’s been asking for since the Oct 2020 server uplift, and are trying to set Second Life, an 18 year old platform that’s a tangled mess, for more improvements

        As for your opinion, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, but I was informing a flaw in your knowledge, because I know you have not been active in SL and are pulling assumptions about how they’re doing nothing in 2021.

        The fact that you didn’t read but still get defensive by attempting to insult someone’s intelligence like a child is comedic.

        I’m leaving this here. Go get a juice or something.

      • It sounds like you didn’t read what I said. I said nothing substantial has been done. Adding MFA is a given, I mean that shouldn’t even count, everything on the planet has MFA now days.

        I took issue with your logic behind hiring large number of users who are “well versed in modeling for sl” That’s just a fancy way of saying “they hired a bunch of people without any actual experience or education in the field to help fix SL”.

        I was invited by the previous TD to go to a few of their meetings a few years ago. Do you know how those meetings go because of all these “users well versed in modeling for SL” ? Here is a quick run down:

        We were talking about adding proper lighting so we could eventually move to physically based rendering and that we needed materials to be on without the ability to be turned off so we can actually starting using normal maps and spec/gloss reliably in our creations without needing to bake lighting. Then generic SL user well versed in modeling for SL interrupted saying “but not everyone wants shine on her their stuff, i dont like shine on my stuff i dont like materials i wanna keep it off” I said materials isn’t there to make shine …they allow use of normal maps …and every object in the real world has specular/gloss/roughness values ….I was interrupted by random SL creator number 2 ” i make my stuff with both materials and non materials and my customers LOVE IT!!!” I said that’s great Jane but like that has nothing to do with the topic, also can we …. interrupted by another random sl “designer” “all you have to do is set up your cycles in blender bake to lighting on your texture so you don’t even need materials!” then i started to say “but that’s not the point we know about baking lighting a PBR system would ….” interrupted by another SL user well versed in modeling “you should use maya to bake instead of blender, blender sucks that’s what me and my dom do for our store!” and which point myself and a couple of others who were trying to have an important discussion just stopped talking and never went back to these meetings again.

        That is what happens when you hire a lot of “SL users well versed in modeling for SL”. It was literally like an episode of Seinfeld. Instead of chatting about the ideas I had about systems that would solve the optimization issue on SL without restricting creators, solve the avatar overload problems, features that would not only reduce lag but significantly increase visual quality …we wasted our time listening to and being interrupted by people without education and experience in this field yapping about things they clearly didn’t even understand the basics of.

        This is why I said without actual 3d programmers, TAs, 3d artists specializing in real time rendering art, LL isn’t gonna be able to get anything meaningful done. Though sure go ahead and revamp the search UI ……that’s gonna help.

        There is no amount of PR lingo and fluff things such as MFA that will make up for lack of education and knowledge in LL.

      • You’re just an idiot. There has been a lot of back-end changes that affect the user-experience, especially on a network-side. Significant changes that you feel and see if you actually are versed in networking, development, LSL code, etc.
        Not everything needs about just simply content creation when it comes to updates. Things are in constant development.

        The people you listed in your comment aren’t the targeted audience for “people well-versed in SL modelling”, since those meetings that you were ‘personally invited to’ are actually open meetings that ANY SL resident can attend, and most of the ones who pay attention to those meetings have been, historically, simply residents who generally hang in outdated areas and have outdated shops. There are many people dropping out of the AAA industry at the moment due to the lack of money flow coming in, and moving directly to SL or online freelance commissions because it is far better money.

        You should actually get on that train, Mr. I’ve-been-without-a-job-for-7-months.
        Freelance is probably best for you because you have an absolutely abhorrent attitude, and you likely are the only person who’d want to work with you.

        Read the thread back again. All of your shit had been answered. You just have had your head too far up your own ass to really understand what had been said to you.

      • I find it hilarious that you call me an idiot. I wasn’t “invited” to an open meeting, it was a meeting among creators, we were also part of the super early sansar meetings as well which was a similar shit show.

        If you really think LL doing “back end updates” is actually something worth while, I’m not sure what to tell you. LL has let SL fall behind so much that they knew it was beyond their means to fix it, that’s why they sold it off to an investment group that knows nothing about the tech sector nor has any infrastructure to support it.

        Hiring large number of SL users versed in modeling for SL is a fancy way of saying “we are too cheap to hire actual professionals and are paying pennies to people without the proper education or experience to make it look like we are doing something.

        You can call me an idiot all you want, but i have far more credentials to be talking about this than you do. Aside from that, results speak for themselves, the take over happened a couple of years ago and all LL has to show for it is MFA and a new UI for search browser. Until all those “back end updates” translate into anything meaningful they are just fluff fed to unaware users such as yourself to make it look like they are doing something.

        I’m sure it makes perfect sense to believe all the good is coming soon because LL hired a bunch of underqualified, self taught users without any credentials to fix it. There are few really good artists on SL and they laughed and turned down the offer for how little the pay was, the only ones who took it were the ones that were incredibly under qualified. Though yes! The future is bright! all the good changes is coming! This new investment company is sending all their AC maintenance and repair staff to bring in all these new features to SL! and don’t worry if you feel like nothing new has been added or anything has gotten updated is because it’s all “back end stuff”

        idiot …

      • A meeting amongst creators. The monthly Linden Labs meeting that I have very often been to? Yeah, no. That’s open invite, you pretentious little twat.

        LL Being bought up by an Investment company and hiring from within the game is actually a step up from what used to be. There is a lot of things you quite frankly do not get, because you absolutely are not qualified in networking or coding, so the stuff that LL has been fixing is entirely back-end. I won’t comment on LL’s payment method on how they treat the Moles. Many denied to be a Mole due to the fact LL cannot supplement the amount of money the community pays these people from just being private sellers. However the people who are actually hired in to fix things, at the moment, are entirely on the development side of things. Things you won’t see. Things to make SL last longer, and flow much better.

        As for your statement, you assume designers are ‘underqualified, self taught users without any credentials”. Just because they don’t want to bootlick to companies who absolutely will pay them pennies on the dime for their art that they no longer will control, does not mean these people are all self-taught or don’t have credentials. Quite a few designers actually have gone to school for this, and have been in that industry you so eagerly simp for. The only difference between them and you, is they don’t have a stupid misplaced ego that likely got them released from their last job and forced them into being a ” Freelance Character Artist” since June.

        https://i.gyazo.com/fca463ea223461bbad3193d20db1e685.jpg

        There are good changes happening. You’re just too much of a disconnected idiot to even pay attention because, regardless of your talent in 3D modelling and texturing, you have zero talent in marketing and social networking. You have made yourself into a laughing stock, and you should quite honestly just look at yourself in the mirror and think about why people really just don’t like you, Sands. If you can look behind your own blatant narcissism.

      • I was part of the Sansar meetings really early on, and their TD one time asked me to go to one of the creators meetings with him. So yes he invited me to go to one. Not sure why you seem so upset about that.

        LL Being bought up by an Investment company and hiring from within the game is actually a step up from what used to be.

        How is that good? Hiring users who frankly don’t have the experience or knowledge is just a PR move on LL’s part to make themselves look good. How is hiring users instead of professionals is a step up? It’s a step down.

        There is a lot of things you quite frankly do not get, because you absolutely are not qualified in networking or coding, so the stuff that LL has been fixing is entirely back-end.

        and have you seen me argue about networking or coding side of things? I have not, not even once. Networking front should not have any impact on the 3d side of things. That’s like saying “we are busy fixing payroll so we can’t get to fixing networking issues.” Completely irrelevant. The fact you even made that statement goes to show how little you really understand about how anything works, even at the most basic level. That’s what happens when you spend your entire life growing up on SL and bubbling yourself inside a fantasy cartoon world.

        However the people who are actually hired in to fix things, at the moment, are entirely on the development side of things. Things you won’t see. Things to make SL last longer, and flow much better.

        Who are these people? What are their credentials? Resumes, experience, education? This all “secret people are working secret back end stuff no one can see but trust us things are being done” is one hell of a get out of jail card you are over using.

        As for your statement, you assume designers are ‘underqualified, self taught users without any credentials”. Just because they don’t want to bootlick to companies who absolutely will pay them pennies on the dime for their art that they no longer will control, does not mean these people are all self-taught or don’t have credentials

        This is as delusional as a SL designer gets. SL designers act like they are gods gift to mankind and their behaviour over the years has been the subject of mockery by the community. SL designers have given real artists a terrible reputation in the SL community. This is just another example of it. They claim the slut wear they make on sl with art quality that is below first year student level of art quality, is because they don’t want to lick the boots of actual companies and lose control over their art? REALLY? THAT’s why they don’t work irl? That is seriously so delusional it’s difficult comprehend. If you want a reality check go compare any of SLer’s “art” you speak of to any of the professionals on artstation. This is a ridiculous comment to make. Professional artists irl who are good at what they do, are very well off. “Yeah i dont want to work for Weta because i don’t wanna give them control of my art” LOL just fucking LOL.

        Quite a few designers actually have gone to school for this, and have been in that industry you so eagerly simp for. The only difference between them and you, is they don’t have a stupid misplaced ego that likely got them released from their last job and forced them into being a ” Freelance Character Artist” since June.

        Everyone on SL is CEO, doctor, executive, engineer, professional etc Where are these people’s portfolio? Where is the art you speak of? Any one can claim to be anything in a fantasy world. You need to really understand the difference between role-playing on SL and the real world. To sit here and say SL designers don’t have an ego …LOL! the fact that they think SL makes them professional artists is ego within itself, let alone the years of absolutely ridiculous behaviour of designers on SL that has given designers a terrible reputation. In fact with me it’s the opposite, I have never wanted to be labeled a SL designer because it’s quite frankly humiliating due to the reputation most sl designers have given us. Pointing out reality doesn’t make someone arrogant, it makes them a realist. My work shows my level, and I don’t talk anonymously out of my ass without any evidence to back up my credentials. Sorry if the bit of reality dose you got here shattered your SL fantasy bubble.

        There are good changes happening. You’re just too much of a disconnected idiot to even pay attention because, regardless of your talent in 3D modelling and texturing, you have zero talent in marketing and social networking. You have made yourself into a laughing stock, and you should quite honestly just look at yourself in the mirror and think about why people really just don’t like you, Sands. If you can look behind your own blatant narcissism.

        “Good things are coming soon!” Well I hope they do, but history and evidence have proved otherwise. Why would I need to be good at marketing and social networking? I don’t work in marketing, and I don’t feel the need to suck up and “social network”. I focus on my work and improving my skills in my profession and that has been enough to get me by. While you are at it, let me tell you I also have no skills whatsoever in programming, or any mechanical skills when it comes to cars, I don’t have any skills in playing any musical instruments, and I got no talent in singing either.

        Who is laughing at me? Even on this anonymous site most people agree with me, the only people who laugh at me are the ones who sealed themselves up in their SL bubble and are envious of the fact I didn’t stay in that bubble and made it outside of SL. My presence threatens to burst their fantasy bubble. It’s easier to live that fantasy and convince themselves of it, if they bully all the real talents out of public sight so they do not have a constant reminder of the reality that threatens their fantasy bubble on SL.

      • If you are so confident in accuracy of what you are claiming, why don’t you share with us who you are? Why speak anonymously?

      • Oh damn, everyone drag out the Virtual Secrets bingo cards, we have a qualifying post here. Lol

      • If you are going to make up stories, at least provide evidence. If you had anything of value to say you wouldn’t say it hiding behind an anonymous name. The reason you only are brave enough to speak anonymously is because you are making false statements and accusations.

        What have I said that is so awful? That LL should hire professionals instead of self taught users? How is that an attack on anything? It’s the most logical thing to do.

        What have I said? That the investment group that purchased SL is not the type that would advance SL? I mean even if you disagree with me on that, how is that such an awful thing to say?

        What have I said that is so awful to you? Saying LL should be hold accountable for users excessive use of textures due to them not adding in tools to allow proper texture optimization? I mean that makes me an awful person right? That makes me egotistical?

        I don’t say LL should hire me, that would be egotistical. I say LL should hire people with proper education and credentials.

        I say I have more experience and credentials in 3d art than bloggers and SLers. How is that an awful thing to say? If someone else has the same or higher credentials by all means step forward and correct me or debate with me.

        You are all hurt because my existence in the community threatens the fantasy bubble some of you have created for yourselves, the reality that my presence brings threatens to burst the fantasy bubble. That’s why you attack me, if you actually look at what I have said. I haven’t said anything that is an attack on anyone.

        I have been around since 2006 and over the years I have watched the SL designer community bully out anyone who made it out of SL or became good. You bullied them out of the community and into silence or hiding because your tiny delusional selves have can’t anyone who becomes successful irl.

        I find it hilarious that you say I’m egotistical when the SL designers are known to act like gods gift to mankind and have given real artists a horrible reputation by saying things like “Only reason i dont work irl is because i dont want another company to have control over my art”. Like that is as arrogant arrogance can get. People with 1000x more skill than us don’t think that highly of their art, but some random sl creator’s art is so grand that they don’t wanna give away control of their art to someone else LOL!

      • What do you expect from the guy who owned Azuchi, known for it’s fucking ridiculous VRAM? Kinda makes sense that he deflects blame from creators when he was a known part of the problem. Can’t have the masses realizing that, can we? It’s no wonder he hasn’t been anything more than a “freelancer” for 7 months after getting run out for attacking female creators (all of this info publicly available since he doxes himself constantly like a dumbass). When was the last time he even made anything or logged into SL as a creator? But sure, let’s take his “expert” opinion on current events for SL.

        Lmao, the fuck out of here with his nonsense.

      • When/where have I attacked female creators? point it out please.

      • You must be really fucking rattled you sad, pathetic little man. Look at how many times you had to post to protect your fragile ego. I’m not going to post willy nilly because you’re sitting there crying at your desk and posting obsessively. I hope one location will suffice.

        Sands, all this information is available through a few quick Google searches of your name, and your store and by talking to, well, let’s be honest, anyone who’s been in the mainstream creator community since at least 2015.

        You really don’t think you’ve harassed any female creators? Think really hard about it. I’ll give you a good place to start: remember Tenacio? Remember how it was on your real life Facebook account (which was connected to your job at the time)?

        Even up until the time you stopped adding creations to SL, your store was well known for being on the list of lag creating stores. So where is the lie? Your store name is a joke in the bigger creator circles for that reason. The truth hurts, but it doesn’t make it less true. People are GLAD you stopped uploading laggy crap into SL. Probably your best contribution to the grid.

        What have you said that was so wrong? Well if you had higher than grade school reading comprehension (as others have pointed out), the problem is you talking circles around creators being responsible for what is very much realistically within their control; and instead looking for a scapegoat in LL. You sitting here blubbering about what LL could do to control people isn’t helpful in this situation when you’re so willing to give up and go “well LL isn’t stopping me from creating laggy products, so it’s not MY fault that I just do it.” At some point you have to take some responsibility for your choices. And your excuse of “well it’s not possible to make things look nice and optimize” is bullshit because there are stores that make all sorts of mesh products who do it. Your “explainations” really only serve to point out how you refuse to change and it’s everyone else and LL who are wrong.

        I never called you egotistical, I said you were a dumbass, so you must be getting really rustled by this point and confusing the critical posts of you from different people. But I can call you egotistical if it will help? Here, have a quote: “Sands, if you ever stopped getting high off the smell of your own farts for ten minutes, maybe your posts wouldn’t sound like a never ending circle jerk of what you think you know.”

        As for the “wahh you’re anonymous” complaint, suck it up buttercup, welcome to Virtual Secrets.

      • Wow you really are dense, look at the time stamps, sometimes certain responses get flagged for moderation and Kess will get to them when she has time, so a bunch of posts appear at the same time. Though with how basic concept of just about anything is lost on you, I’m not surprised.

        You really don’t think you’ve harassed any female creators? Think really hard about it. I’ll give you a good place to start: remember Tenacio? Remember how it was on your real life Facebook account (which was connected to your job at the time)?

        Who is Tenacio? I have never had a rl FB account linked to my job. You have got me mistaken with someone else or just flat out making up lies.

        Even up until the time you stopped adding creations to SL, your store was well known for being on the list of lag creating stores. So where is the lie? Your store name is a joke in the bigger creator circles for that reason. The truth hurts, but it doesn’t make it less true. People are GLAD you stopped uploading laggy crap into SL. Probably your best contribution to the grid.

        Go ahead and put my stuff side by side and take a screenshot of its Vram, Tris count and anything else and compare it side by side with these so called “big” clothing brands. You are just making up lies, with no evidence. As far as “big name creators circle” thinking im a joke. I’m sorry, but the reality of it is, the fact any creator on sl thinks they are a big name is a joke within itself. My work is levels beyond SL, it’s not even in the same league if you want honesty. The only joke is the fact a SL creator is even trying to compare my work to theirs in the first place.

        What have you said that was so wrong? Well if you had higher than grade school reading comprehension (as others have pointed out), the problem is you talking circles around creators being responsible for what is very much realistically within their control; and instead looking for a scapegoat in LL.

        Once again talking shit without any evidence or facts to back up your claim. You can optimize your topology on SL to have low tris counts without losing any visual quality. Which my stuff is some of the lowest tris count clothing on the grid. However there is no way you can reduce the number of textures you use and stay competitive with the competition on SL in terms of detail. Because we do not have a way of using techniques to reduce texture usage while keeping quality acceptable in post 2012 era on SL which is 100% LL’s fault. If you claim otherwise, put up or shut up. Explain in detail how I’m wrong here or stfu with your constant nonsense. If you had an ounce of intelligence or education you wouldn’t be the anonymous twat that talks shit on SL secrets every week.

        Do you want reality and ego? here is a hard fact. I left SL a long time ago because I simply do not need the income from it anymore, I did SL when I was early on in my career as a side income to pay off my student loans. Why did I not stay on SL? Quote this you twat. Because why would I drive a go-kart when I can drive a Ferrari?

        Now go back to your cesspool that is SL and keep circling jerking yourself with your “big name designer circle” and keep convincing each other that your go-kart is a ferrari. One day someone might believe you or hell maybe some day you will believe your own nonsense.

      • Nice try but look at how many posts you needed to put up that equate to you saying nothing except raging like a child over the idea that people have the audacity to call you on your shit.

        You left SL behind? Good don’t come back to SL, don’t come here, in fact just go far away because you’re:
        A) lying about Tenacio and your Facebook. The whole thing was public.
        B) absolutely wrong about a lot of your claims. Claims people here have already disputed but you ignore. Stores in SL are able to create and sell high quality, low impact product without needing regulation from LL, it’s up to us to encourage it. I’m not going to re-explain what has already been explained to you this week. Please go back and read.
        And most of all
        C) a laughing stock.

        Come to think of it, if you’re so above and done with SL, why are you here? Why is your unoptimized garbage still for sale in the marketplace? Take it down and run off to that fairytale life you’ve been crying into your keyboard about all week and hoping everyone will buy.

        Or, I tell you what Sands, since I don’t believe anyone should hand you money for your garbage and you have access to it all, take the screenshots yourself. You don’t even need comparisons, just show the raw numbers. Because if your claims are true, and if myself and so many people on SL and posting about it on SL-related websites are wrong, then demonstrate. Obviously you have nothing better to do than sit on a drama and gossip site for a “cesspool” you “left behind”. Commenting on it all like you’re some great creative input when you’re just some guy who added to the problem then sits there and tells himself what a big boy he is. You must have plenty of time with all the “freelance” work you’ve been doing for 7 months.

        I’m so happy people here have clearly touched a nerve of yours. Enough that you fell into some of the most laughed at tropes on this site. Keep crying about people being anonymous when you’re the rube who can’t grasp how the ecosystem here works. No one forced you to give away who you were, that was your choice and now you get to deal with the people who know the way things work. But you always seem to dox yourself no matter where you go, so I’m not shocked. Stay mad and bitter, Sands. You’ve been endless entertainment for at least a week. You have what it takes to become the next SamanthaPrater if you try really hard.

      • Who is Tenacio? What was public? You seem to keep word vomiting here without providing any proof or saying anything substantial. You either have me mistaken by someone else or your boomer brain has gone senile.

        As far as texel density goes, who has explained it? No one and yet again after I explained the issue to you for the 3rd time, you still haven’t provided any factual information as to how and why I’m wrong. Again word vomiting here without saying anything of substance. Even though I explained clearly you still don’t seem to understand what texel density is. Lol and you get offended when I laugh at the fact LL has hired a large number of users who are well versed in modeling for SL. You idiots don’t even know your left hand from your right hand. Future looks bright!

        Now on to why I stick around this cesspool? Because my presence is a constant reminder of how much of a delusional losers you lot are. That’s why you all get so triggered by what I say. Because due to my experience, knowledge, skill, what I say carries weight, that’s why it triggers you lot so much and I get pleasure from that fact alone.

        Hit the road and go drive around your go-kart with your “big name designer” friends clown. Come back here when you actually have evidence and proof or have any factual information instead of word vomiting here.

      • Do you want reality and ego? here is a hard fact. I left SL a long time ago because I simply do not need the income from it anymore…

        If you left SL, who are you even bothering on commenting on a website that is focused around SL dram-
        Oh right. Jobless. No wait, sorry. “Freelance”.  🙂 

        My work is levels beyond SL, it’s not even in the same league if you want honesty.

        So, I do know you have talent, but you’ve been gone from the grid for years, by your own claim, so you are not understanding of the fact that you are absolutely wrong on your ‘go-kart’ analogy. There are quite a few creators and brands within SL that are of top tier quality, even surpassing many AAA standards in quality, working around the limitations SL has placed to make fantastic products. A few of these designers don’t pay attention to VRAM and LODs, and I personally do acknowledge that. However, there is still a good portion that do, and you have absolutely not surpassed them in any space of the word.

        Contrary of how they are improving the back-end of the grid, it is still a system that is nearly two decades old and has it’s issues that they need to work on. SL, for one, has a massive limitation when it comes to how mesh/textures are done, as you are well aware, so designers have to get creative in how they balance it out. However, I absolutely believe that the people who make SL a living, or at least a very profitable side-job, are not beneath you. In fact, I believe these people are better than you. Not only in their skill (some of which are self-taught, but actually the majority have gotten degrees and certifications in this field), but in their ability to be a decent person.

        That is where you fail. You are a piece of shit and a joke.

        If you are so confident in accuracy of what you are claiming, why don’t you share with us who you are? Why speak anonymously?

        My name really isn’t your business. However, since I know you have time, with the lack of work, the “Concerned Citizen” name has outed themselves before on an SL Secrets. I will leave it up to you to find it.

      • Why don’t you take a screenshot of the vram of my stuff and compare it side by side to other clothing brands on SL? Oh wait I forgot you lot only speak nonsense anonymously without any evidence or facts or knowledge.

        That’s why you stay anonymous so the stupidity of your posts doesn’t follow you around.

        Keep driving that go-kart while convincing yourself you are driving a Ferrari.

      • Wish in one hand, shit in another. Guess which one fills up first. You need to stop shitting in your hand.

      • “BMW is hiring a large number of their drivers to build their 2023 models!”

        someone with logic and common sense: But …are they qualified? are they engineers? Do they have any experience in building cars? Is it gonna be safe?

        “They are well versed in driving BMW cars”

        I honestly can’t with this…lmao …I really hope you meant for your post to be comedy.

      • Lol commenting on SLsecrets v c suite. You sure got those priorities and perspective handled LOL.

      • You sure do love make inconsistent comments as well. And by the way, you seem to not know much either. At least I am pointing out the consumer’s point of view. AKA the end user. You on the other hand just love to claim you know better when even GM had to correct you with your stupid comment.

      • Sure sure you are making total sense LOL, if you can tear yourself away from your board meetings with that C-Suite. You go for it girl!

        I am a consumer, my point is just as valid as yours. My viewpoint remains pay the extra money to your team of unpaid overworked mashers in Russia (Nutmeg) to retopo and create a mid, low and very low LOD version. Go crazy throw the extra 10 bucks in to do it.

        I just don’t need a long drawn out paragraph pretending to know about technology and C-Suites lol to pretend I am Johnny Big Balls Consumer who manages CEOs so OF COURSE I am all expert in Second Life content creation LOL.

        Also don’t try and hide behind what George Michael said to pretend you have alliances you do not. Yawn. Wake me up before you go go.

        Call me stupid all you want, perhaps add another 20 paragraphs on how your c-suite experience lends to your credibility posting on a gossip website. LMAO.

      • Both of us have the same credibility. Your obsession is in blaming the middle man. None of these creators, are actually corporations behind the scenes. All of these, even if they pay something to someone else are a couple of folks maybe five trying to get some form of finances. Especially if they live in third world country and need to make some form of living.

        Go against the group that had the financial means but didn’t do the right thing. LL. Countless people fear getting into mesh just because of how SL Gossip site assholes, come and rip them to shreds.

        Yes, the very same you lot claim have high IQ while they tear down others and apply toxic culture to get what they want.

        And I didn’t mean I am a C-Suite, but anyone Senior and above does have to go to meetings with their VPs and their CFO, CIO, CCO, especially if they hold dual positions. And are well grounded leaders. We consistently have to fight with Upper management (in diplomatic ways) to get department budgets let alone projects that are actually important. (Usually because they want a pet project like gift cards over something like fixing a darn batch closing process). One is more prestigious and looks outwardly like it will earn millions in revenue. Even though they haven’t done the full analysis to see how many chargements and fraud will come in that will counter that. Or gift card fees.

        In other words, the blame usually lies in management of corporations that request for tightened budgets so they can get their wallets padded. Especially now that LL is owned by an this type of investment firm that is incredibly financially driven.

        You are asking creators to spend weeks on items that they would normally pull out in a time frame to meet events demand.
        Which by the way I think is part of the mesh issue. There’s way too many events, and SLs are getting lazy and not shopping in stores. But I also get the fact that SL has a gazillion stores where most of the items are pre-mesh. Going through Sl Search or Marketplace to buy stuff for a house is a year. Let alone a sim. So events are a convenience. But it’s become a catch 22.

  22. #32. Why in the hell would anyone spend a year of their life pretending to be friends with people they don’t like?

    • Plenty of people do! Especially at EoC.

      The reason for it, is because they are narcissist’s.

      • The reason the person who posted the VS hung around people they did like for a year was because they are a narcissist? Then what are they complaining about? If it’s the people they don’t like but pretend to for a year are the narcissists, then again, what are they complaining about? No one makes you hang out with toxic people, right? I just do not understand why anyone would do that.

  23. #7 You Cedar Creek residents are whole damn special breed of species. If people are being “poached” this easily week to week from your town, they are choosing to leave on their own because… DRUM ROLL… they don’t like it there in the first place! Is there even shit going on there now or did you finally recover from that rough Spring you had that cost you most of your residents and staff, who by the way, once again CHOSE to leave on their own to equally shitty Woodland and Fox Hollow.

    • 7 – I also don’t understand the announcements every time someone makes a poaching attempt. It happens all the time and not many leave now. I think all the RP communities get their fair share of poachers. Cedar Creek was once an easy target for poachers when a new owner took over. Some were unhappy with the change. Since then…. many of those who left decided to come back. A few just come back with bad intentions but that should be handled with management and not announced on here every time it happens. The spring was hard but turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Cedar Creek has bounced back nicely and has been pleasant and consistently active for months. A lot of negativity went out the door in the spring and I am so thankful for that. There’s only one person that is missed and that’s Pinewood’s old principal. She was incredible. Other than that…. I hope it remains on this good path. 

      • CC sucks now. Never more then a dozen people there at any given time. Events suck now and never done at a time people from the UK can attend… And the old principal had everyone fooled. She was a con artist and manipulator. She fooled a lot of people.

      • CC is better now. I love it there. It’s almost impossible to get a house in CC now. Management must be doing something right. I loved Ari and she was no con artist. She was the best thing to happen to Pinewood. I have roleplayed as a preteen for a long time in CC and Pinewood was the best with her as principal. A lot of us Pinewood students miss her but we are trying to make the best of what we have now. I like the events now to. I always have so much fun. Rei told UK citizens to join events to do times because the United States people have lives outside of SL to. UK people have complained about it for years but they don’t apply for the job. There is always more than a dozen people on the CC map unless it’s early and that’s when most sims aren’t crowded with people. You are here making things up

      • Woodland is going to become lost to a clique much like cc already has. Alex, Angel and their family all in management or in charge of something. Talk about the worst family to have in a position of authority. The track record is terrible and there reputation is soiled. Blaze doesn’t really look at what’s going on and make some changes then people will continue to leave and Woodland will die especially when they start ganging up on people and turning against them. I wonder how many people have already left because of them

      • Thankfully CC doesn’t have that problem anymore. The atmosphere is so much better. I’m sorry you Woodland citizens are having this problem now. Band together and go to the owner and voice your concerns. Good luck with everything I hope it is better soon

  25. 23 you know nothing about body’s newer body are way better no lag. You got problems you are the problem update your computer.

    • we make badly made mesh so you have to change blah blaj ñeñeñeñejw+pAJSD+PAJMPJQWNFF

  26. #2 I feel terrible for Dejaflu, the whole situation is so fucked up. Obivously, no one knows what happens behind closed doors, but regardless, flying someone across the ocean after being in a long distance relationship for 2 years, then BREAKING UP WITH THEM within days of their meeting, causing one person to be dealing with the situation in an unfamiliar country, all on their own, during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC, limiting international travel, is incredibly fucked. I can’t imagine going through that kind of pain in such a situation.

    • So.
      I haven’t actually heard Squids side of this at all because there’s nothing on Twitter except grief and stress and I’m actually a friend of Timbre, and I am in his personal server where everyone got an extremely vague read of what happened and I’ve had to step back and question if this is the full story.

      I’m really thinking some really awful things may have went down for her to be acting and feeling the way she is and I cannot imagine how much this could mess someone up.
      For someone that broke up with her and the next day was talking fine and normal after abandoning someone he adored… he is playing a really strange card and it’s made me personally want to back off as a friend of his for years now.

      Either way, those two were great together and I’m really sad that this has happened, I hope they work it out or something. Life is too short.

    • I want to add while I stand by what I just said, the actual post (#2) uses such gross and objectifying language. She’s not a prize to be won lol

    • Its a shame. I’m actually really disappointed#2 was even submitted at all.
      She never wanted the breakup to be blown up by the public eye, and all of you claim to feel bad for her…
      Yet, here we are, on virtual secrets continuing to feed the drama mongers.
      Get the fuck off of this website, leave their relationship where it bekongs. In private. If any of you cared, you would quit bringing attention to it.. especially here! This is literally the worst thing anyone could have done.

      You are all feeding into it.

  27. 23) If this was so important to you, why didn’t you put them in order?

      • If it’s talking about complexity, who gives a shit about alphabetical order?

      • Ironically (or not) the designer last in both lists is also lowest in complexity. What’s your point?

  28. #52 I think I know who wrote this. I’m “KC” and you’re right about those items!

  29. #25 this secret is pathetic, so what if she wears the same outfit the whole year around, how does that affect you huh?

    Maybe she likes it a lot, maybe she doesn’t want to change, maybe she doesn’t really care as much, who freaking cares! Get a life!

    • Eww no, she needs to change clothes. And also, can someone pay for her group fee so she can stop parking on the landing spot and actually get in the spa?

    • or, you can keep waiting for someone to take mercy on you and pay your group fee

  30. What is it with people make 20 images for the SAME secret for 1 week and they repeat that same secret for weeks! Just STOP! We get it, you are frustrated but so are we with you wasting our time reading the same damn secret over and over again.

    I have no freaking clue who Tiny Alpha is but you know what, YOU, the person making these gazillion secrets, needs a head check for your obsession with making that many secrets.

    STOP repeating the same secrets please! No one needs that!

  31. 23) lmao! let’s just go back to system avs then? The lag is connected to the crappy sl universe.

    • Most low FPS issues are actually caused by rigged mesh animation (of avatars) and managing Level of Detail (LOD) across a large number of objects.

      The more weighted vertexes in a rigged mesh being calculated for animation, the more computing power required to update a scene. So complaining about the number of triangles is pretty spot on when it comes to rigged mesh and unfortunately this is being done on the CPU very inefficiently.

      Also, the more objects in the scene with various levels of detail, the more checks to make sure the right level is being used as the camera or objects move (and also to a lesser degree the occlusion culling of those not needed to be rendered). These are typically an issue of lesser importance but can really add up in complicated builds with lots of objects.

      The average game engine these days does both on the video card which have hundreds or thousands of cores to run the simple update processes across the mesh and objects.

    • there are a lot of info about complexity. just read all about it and stop wasting people’s time spoon feeding you the info

  32. 7 – I’m actually dying laughing right now. I personally know Minerva, she’s actually male, Scottish, and lives 30 minutes from me. I can assure you all that he is not Angel Aeon. He is more interested in spending money on his avi to make it over than sniffing around anyone. He is also most assuredly gay.

  33. 50…are you fucking kidding me? cartoon boobs have you in an uproar? REALLY?

    • mesh + body morphing for a photo are disgusting to see (at least for females)
      most people in sl are female. we don’t like it.
      and no, we can’t unsee or look other way.
      Oh! And I’m not a boomer or anything you want to invent about me to fill your imagination.

  34. 50- why would children or random people be …stumbling across Seraphim?
    If you have that much issue with a bit o’ tittum or pusspuss, I’d suggest going to find some more festive trim clipart? Seems to calm you.

    • should people have to hide the pc when they are watching stuff about SL or when playing sl because 80% of the time female avatars are mostly naked??
      it is a hookers place filled with female players, for god sake!

  35. 54. Going to point out a few things wrong with this or what I’ve observed over the last few years. As the post is friends only I can’t go and see the post.

    1. Verinne was proven to be stalking Avery’s favourites when Avery liked something from 2018 and Verinne liked it after. If you look at their current favourites. They legit just follow the same people and the posts they like are literally ones being posted recently.
    2. Verinne has admitted to keep track of Avery and claiming it to be ‘detective’ work. She keeps track of her friends, where she goes, what’s on her profile, who she is dating, etc…
    3. If you looked between fatalsyntax (Verinne’s male alt) and The Bunny. You’ll observe Verinne copied The Bunny because of the dates when the pictures were uploaded. Also, Verinne’s F-List was updated a few months ago, shortly after Avery updated her profile. I’ve seen .exe stuff on Avery’s profile for years in various ways.
    4. I’ve never once heard Avery not take accountability in the last few years. She doesn’t hide the fact she stole Verinne’s shape and threatened her RL. What Verinne avoids to tell people is that she did this after Verinne released Avery’s RL information and had people attack her Family. I see that as tit for tat. This doesn’t include people over the years having stalked where Avery worked to try and get her fired.
    5. You have lots of people coming forward who were friends with Avery or going to be, who were messaged by Verinne to ‘become friends’ then coincidently start telling them about her and Avery’s drama in hopes they’ll remove Avery, in most cases they do.
    6. There are also a large amount of logs of Verinne openly attacking Avery’s friends, her previous partner, and Verinne following Avery to RP sims to try and start public drama while telling people she doesn’t want to be near Avery. This also happened on Verinne’s other alt, Hiatus where she was observed going to sims Avery was roleplaying at.

    There are two sides to every story.

    I’m at the point of believing the person who seems to be doing well in life, taking accountability and trying VS the one who is obsessively posting about the person she is stalking to make people dislike her.

    • Adding this. This is one of the main receipts of Verinne having admitted to actually having Avery’s real life information and threatening to use it.

      Verinne gave people this information publicly at one point in which people used it to attack Avery’s real life. So yes, Verinne doxed Avery first.

      https://i.gyazo.com/f25f9ba56320bce2eadcf253592120c6.png

      The name of the other user was removed to protect their identity considering Verinne’s stalking and abusive nature.

      • All I see in that screen shot is Verinne admitting that she actually didn’t share it and had it in case Avery went through with what ever.

        “Doxing is the act of publicly revealing previously private personal information about an individual or organization.”

      • Yet, people had gotten Avery’s information from Verinne to contact her family. This had been admitted by one of the people who had contacted her family and later regretted it. It had been done through Verinne’s blog and tumblr, which has since been edited.

        She gave people access to it since people hadn’t known about Avery’s real life before hand.

        Avery’s threat happened after her real life had been attacked by people using a lie Verinne made (that Avery was sexually assaulted by her Dad), which she admits she had no proof of. When you read through Verinne’s screenshots between Avery and whoever that is, you can see Avery’s family had already been contacted by then which is what escalated the threat.

        Verinne also has told people that she never got Avery’s real life information.

        Just like Verinne states she has never done anything wrong to Avery, yet you can find screenshots and gyazo gifs of her publicly attacking Avery, messaging her friends and abusing them, Facebook posts where Verinne is making fun of her Flickr, etc..

        I ended up speaking to Avery about stuff to find out her side because of the amount of posts Verinne was making (almost weekly) and it’s kinda amazing to see how much Verinne has done to her over the years while preaching innocence.

    • Person who runs this blog. I get it if you don’t post this because of the gyazos I’ve added.

      I’m going to defend Avery. If you call me her then I don’t really care at this point. I wanted to hear both sides so I heard both sides. Posts I’ll be showing are the more “innocent” things Verinne has done because I’m not sure if it’s in my right to actually show the severe ones.

      Verinne is an obsessed psychopath who gave people a platform and a terrible lie to attack Avery’s family WHICH caused Avery to threaten her RL because Verinne was the reason hers was attack. Do I think it was right for Avery to threaten her RL? Holy fuck no.

      Verinne has openly doxed herself. She posted her RL FB on her own tumblr. You can google her and eventually find a variety of SL secrets where Verinne has posted under her own name, example being 407, where she talks about her RL job, the type of building she lives in, where she lives, etc…

      When Avery moved RL and Verinne found out, she wanted to find out where the fuck she moved to. This wasn’t public knowledge because she kept it to her “close” friends. That’s not creepy.

      Avery is no better. Look at Avery’s track record. It’s fucking shit. She’s done stupid shit, fucked up shit, and all of the above but the difference I see between her and Verinne is that Avery isn’t the one constantly posting about this pathetic shit. Avery isn’t making a post every single fucking week about Verinne. Avery isn’t commenting about Verinne’s flickr posts like Verinne is. Look at this shit.

      https://gyazo.com/0afecffdf0f1d6a8ac221d71ed08eda0

      For someone who claims to avoid Avery and not look at their stuff you seem to keep track of what they do incredibly well. Why are you even reading her posts? That QQ BS was in relation to: https://www.flickr.com/photos/brambleborne/50917661848/in/album-72157705023918611/

      You attack her friends or people you think are her. This happened a week before your latest post. Do you realise how creepy it is that you’re adding her ex into this? Her ex. Are you going out to befriend her ex now? What is wrong with you?

      https://gyazo.com/741e196bdd383b308cc737d7116954c7
      https://gyazo.com/e8c48bb9ddfc16e840b92ea3665a5615

      Points in times where your friends threatened to make her life hell.

      https://gyazo.com/ba714a94befd3edc0e7da1b47e157b16

      Where you copied “Judgement” on your brand new male account. It wasn’t the start of the times you started to copy her and then tried to say it was the other way around. My favorite part about this post is the fact it has “Nourish with Headpats” on it. You tried to tell people when you updated your profile this year, that she took that from you.

      https://gyazo.com/580e81403ed11ba975d1f38f74933e9d

      Where you harassed her on flickr and while this might be old, this was around the time you were saying you were avoiding her and never doing anything to he or contacting her.

      https://gyazo.com/f9fd02a0ffd5d452cebcfe3665946251

      And the worst thing you did was make up a lie about her Dad sexually abusing her and “forgetting” who told you. You told so many people this before you updated your blog. You made this shit up without proof and went “irrelevant”. No. It’s not irrelevant you twisted motherfucker. What kind of manipulative, fucked up person says that shit and then goes “Oh it’s irrelevant.” Yeah, she was fucking awful for doing any of the previous shit but why the fuck would you put that up without any proof and tell people about it before hand for them to use to attack her family?

      It wasn’t just that “Aubs” person who went to her family.

      https://gyazo.com/aef1d31f196c009cb9726620dd8ba759

      By your own words on that post. “Edit to add: I have receipts for honestly, 90% of everything over the years. If anyone wants to challenge me, the worst I’ve done to this girl over the years is called her a psycho, cunt, and publicly shame her for having copybotted me and other people.”

      No. You did so much worse and for someone who supposedly gave so much of a fuck about their own Dad you really went out of your way to fuck up someone’s relationship with theirs over shapes. Imagine being so upset over a shape you make up such a lie and people attack their family over it. Shapes. It mattered because they didn’t use anything else to attack her family like all the other suicide bullshit and whatever.

      They attacked her family by attacking her Dad over what you said and then magically forgot and had no proof of.

      What I was shown wasn’t even half of the shit you’ve done to her. The only reason I haven’t posted them all is because this post will be fucking massive if the owner of SLS allows it and I don’t want to spam people with more than I already have. If you want the rest just go speak to Avery because jesus christ she kept her receipts every time Verinne attacked her or her friends.

      You’re not a victim and by no means is Avery but jesus christ will you fucking take accountability for your own actions instead of demanding it from Avery. You’ve taken no accountability at all.

      Go focus on your RL and your Husband that you magically forget to tell all the guys in SL about and move on from this fucking drama. Stop trying to milk it. EVERYONE IS SICK OF FUCKING SEEING IT.

      If not on SLS it’s on your fucking FACEBOOK.

      It’s been fucking years. Stop playing the victim. Move the fuck on.

      We’re all sick of seeing it and yes, fucking rip me apart for defending Avery but I’m sick of seeing Verinne pretending like she has done absolutely nothing at all.

  36. Hey if your so upset about lag and your computer not supporting sl right then Log off or Rez a white box and sit in it with the sl default avi as your avi..sl has come a long way and we finally getting items in sl that looks good my computer can take it and I’m paying money for a land and items that I like and enjoy and I’m not going to care about the Karen next door wining about how her 5 year cheap laptop can’t take things,sorry but that’s your problem..

    • No one wants SL to look ugly. That doesn’t mean people can’t optimize their mesh. People talk about these things as being at odds when they just…. aren’t.

    • *you’re
      *you are

      …or LL could make better rules about complexity… or merchants should sell better objects… or you can shut your imbecil and ignorant mouth up.

      • LL making better rules to police complexity is the only solution imo. Though try explaining that to a bunch of baboons here. Thankfully it seems like most people here understand it, the baboons are a select few.

  37. #1 – Clearly has ZERO sense of humor. smh
    #12 – LeLutka heads are naturally small and have been for a long time. Every person I’ve seen wearing a LeLutka head has managed to shape it just fine. Perhaps you’re not taking much time with it. No bento head is perfect nor 100% easy to shape. Be patient and you’ll find your look. As for hair, wear the small or extra small. It may still have gaps but older hairs were made before LeLutka heads were.
    #30 – They’re a top designer? In what world? HAHAHAHAHAHA
    #43 – Some creators don’t use vending systems in order to use that option. Get your facts straight.
    #45 – Creators aren’t required to have sales, giveaways, or group gifts. You can ask but be realistic. Not all creators follow the same plan or belief structure.

    #AllTheTrisSecrets&Lag – lag is also something to do with your computer’s capabilities. Maybe time for an upgrade too?

    • When you have a computer that is functionally equivalent, per core, to a 3900 or 3950x but with mountains of extra cache, paired with an unlocked, overclocked 6900xt and a cooling system that could keep a fucking nuclear reactor stable, and you still have to drop shit down a bunch…

      Nah, I don’t think the problem is my potato. c:

      • I just want to give a round of applause to the “cooling system that could keep a fucking nuclear reactor stable” line. That was hilarious! ♥ – Your friendly IT girl  😂 

    • I have heard this person, threatend to kill people, and recorded somone without their knowledge on discord. ive also heard she likes to manipulate people by telling them she will kill herself. or when she does not get what she wants that she will pull the TransPhobia card/Victem card.

  39. Guess Naria is getting today all the secrets she didn’t get in the last 5 months together… Some of you are obsessed. Don’t you watch other SL channels on Youtube?  😂 

  40. #31 Another Pathetic soul trying to go between two peoples relationship with no proof yet again.

    Maybe spend less time Making a VS post and gather proof for your so called “Murder & blah blah blah” exposure.

    all you look like is another Thirsty girl or guy after Murders D&ck. Just saying.

    stop trying to come between a relationship if you can’t see Jade won’t ever leave Murder, and You will never have Murder in a romance aspect, Then that’s pathetic Truthfully.

    If Murder ever plays a song for you I hope it’s #Obsessed by Mariah Carey because that’s all this post looks like.

    • Not to say he is guilty by any means as I do not know him.

      However, I do know Cynder unfortunately. Her rap sheet is well known and she is nothing but a wanna be babygirl who will call anyone Daddy in less than 5 minutes and offer you RL in 10. I have known a few men who have had that misfortune. Also know she was with Johnny Cage, and Panda dipshit Mr. Sugar Daddy himself wanna be Daddy. She strove to be a Moretti and she is no longer one now. She befriends people of people she was with and talks mad shit about them so that she ruins those friendships or possible relationships. I am more than positive Cynder went after him.

      Bottom line is this, it is far too easy to cheat in SL. Everyone should know this. It is far too easy to hide it. It is far too easy to make an alt to do it on. It is far too easy to lie about it and not get caught. So, unless Someone has the proof that its him or She comes forward with the proof he is not going to admit it.

      • The saddest part to me is that people keep falling for her shit seriously on SL are blind or stupid to not be able to look through all that fakeness how insane this place is where faketards get all these friends and real people hardly get spoken to SL is literal trash

      • That is because Cynder has serious issues. She is seriously fucked up and she knows how to kiss ass, suck up, lick twat and suck some serious cock to get in. You know some people are I don’t care what others say I go by how people treat me. Then they find out for themselves. I get it. Adrie is going to find out just like everyone else the hard way. It’s sad I feel bad personally. Cynder does know how to be fake very well, and she manipulates everything and slants it to be the victim and never takes responsibility for her own actions.

    • How about they talk more about Cynder than murder? Is no one going to post what a pathetic attention ass kissing whore she is? Lmao she sucks up so hard and fast to any club owner to gain favors. How pathetic can you be to call yourself Adrienne’s bitch. Get a life dumb bitch goodluck thinking kissing ass will get you far.

      • I hate Cynder, she is so much drama, Knowing Cynder she would have done this herself just for the attention and to try break them up.

      • Oh, it’s true and she will go after Lupin faster than fast and be all over his cock. When it goes bad, she will bad mouth him and make herself look like the victim and he lured her in like an innocent girl. Or, she will blame the Adrie for fucking up their future together or some shit.

    • Lmfao bruh!! She talk so much shit about Kay!!! Now walking around acting all bestie bestie she said the most horrible shit about you Kay! Cyn is the fakest cunt how are people not seeing this shit

    • They will never break up, so strong together.
      I only wish I could find what they have.

  41. 12.
    90% of the age of any head is the skin, buy a skin that looks like a 12 year old every head will look like you are 12, buy a skin that looks older and you are going to look older.

    As for the hair issue you are having, strange my partner and all the other EvoX wearing individuals in SL, that I know, don’t seem to have that problem, I suggest you learn how to shape the forehead. Of course if all you can do is buy kawaii asian cutie shape clone 3000 then you aren’t going to learn how to adequately shape your own. I assume that’s what you do because everyone playing with a head for longer than 10 minutes can probably find out how to fix their issues and shape them right.

    Just checked my partner and her bff wear Avalon, no hair problems, a friend of ours wears Ceylon, no hair issues, three of our friends wear Briannon, strangely enough no hair issues and a few wear the two new heads, also no issues. On the male side we all wear one of the new EvoX male heads, no hair issues. I am going ahead and decide the problem is you 😉

    • Have Gaia, Avalon, River and Lilly…. Guess what… NO HAIR ISSUES EITHER… Weird…

    • I Have just about all of the Lelutka Evo X heads – Erin, Fluer, Lilly, Avalon, Briannon, Ceylon, and Halle… and Only issue I ever have is with Non-Rigged Hair, but take a few minutes to re-size it, and then there won’t be an issue… :/ Takes time to look perfect…

      • And lets not forget I have Alan, Skyler, and Eon – Not a single issue, after taking a moment to resize….

  43. 40- Elizabitch, the only thing you did here was prove you made those posters about kricket last week. This was a stupid poster to make. You’re a GROWN woman who bullies anyone that doesn’t do things your way or you throw a tantrum cause you didn’t get stuff. Grow up and start acting your age, not your shoe size.

  44. #3 You gave someone L$209000 (approx $807 – $836 usd) and you are wondering why they vanished??? You have only yourself to blame for that.

    #23 That is just client lag which is in your power to correct by buying the proper hardware. If you spend about $3000+ on a modern gaming computer you will not have those client lag problems. People dress their avatars the way they want to. If you are either too poor or unwilling to spend the $$$ needed to solve that issue I have no sympathy for you personally. People who either have or make content for high end machines are not going to come down to your level. If you want a platform optimized for 8 year old $500 laptops from Walmart play League of Legends or any 2D game. Does this make me sound like an elitist bitch? Absolutely it does! Now get out of my way peasant! 🙂

    #30 Stop whining about your under powered computer.

    • #3 – No – the person who stole the money is to blame.
      #23 – Oh sweetie – trash is trash – no matter how elitist you want to pretend you are.
      #30 – Does it make you feel better about yourself to shit on people who can’t afford a new rig every 2 years? You are pathetic.

      • And I am not looking down on people who can’t afford a new computer every 2 years. I am down on people who chronically complain that everyone who does have a better machine must come down to their level. That is the pathetic part. Here is an analogy. Joe wants to play baseball for the Cincinnati Reds. Joe just doesn’t have the skill to play at that level. It’s not his fault as only very few can. However Joe is angry, jealous and demands that everyone who plays baseball must therefore play at his level.

        SL is user generated content. There is no “People’s Central Committee” to enforce a standard. It is never going to happen. So unfortunately there is going to be a system of the have and have nots. There is an overwhelming majority of SL residents who know their machine is poo but the don’t blame the platform (SL). They know the platform has its limitations. They blame themselves and they will work towards improving that in future. I feel tremendously for those people. However the people who demand everything should be equal by hatchet, axe and saw I have no sympathy for.

    • Apparently you don’t know how the rendering engine in Second Life works and how CPU constrained it is, you can have a 5930x with a 6900xt and still have FPS problems because CREATORS are making things that the engine can’t handle.
      The get the better system excuse is not an excuse.
      SL will still lag balls with all the over polyied mesh no matter your system, benchmarks like ashes of singularity cap out at about 12 million polys a frame and that’s a BENCHMARK.
      Trying to tell me 12 people fully clothed in legacy bodies is NORMAL for a ENGINE.
      Also the SL engine is very SINGLE THREAD cpu bound, you can put 2 3090’s in SLI and still hit a framerate cap due to CPU bottleneck, they only added multithread for IMAGE DECOMPRESSION/DECODING not for the 3D rendering.
      Go school about this subject then come back and think about what you said.

      • I have a 5900x and a RTX-3080 and I do not have lag problems even in a crowded shopping event on the first day with 50 avatars running around. FPS will go down to about 20 in ultra or 30 in high ultra (6/7) depending on how many triangles there are to push. I understand fully how cpu bound and single threaded SL is. I make my own viewers from code. It looks like I flipped your switch and made you a bit angry which is exactly what I was trying to do. 🙂

        Actually it will lag immensely or crash (if in linux it will hang the system needing a hard reboot) if I’m trying to do an 8k photo in Ultra with LOD and shadow quality at 4 but that has nothing to do with regular play. I’m just running out of graphics mem.

      • Do you think you’re like, cool or something for admitting that even you, with your $3k+ computer, can barely even run this almost 20 year old game at max settings? Do you think that proves your point of “just get a better computer?”

      • This! I don’t see anything wrong with creators optimizing their meshes, and how can anyone think that’s a bad thing. SL does need an engine upgrade badly, we all know this, but I also think we all know that’s not happening anytime soon. As for mo mo butter cup, I have a 5950x and a 3090, and I still lag, and sorry 20 FPS on that hardware is just a crime.

      • Correct me if I’m wrong here, but expecting SL to run like WOW or some other big MMO is kind of people’s downfall?

        SL is server based where (they get the bulk) with MMOs are largely client based (we get the bulk). And while I agree that a lot of lag has to do with bad mesh and 1024×1024 images, I think that it also has a good bit to do with the nature of SL as a game engine itself.

    • I see a lot of downvotes, but here’s some info for you downvoters: the average SL user doesn’t even need to spend $3000+ on a gaming rig. I probably have spent less than $1200 for my rig. I have Intel i5 6600k at 3.50 ghz, 16 gb of ram, and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti. The graphics card was probably the most expensive piece when I bought it a few years ago, but it’s not ridiculously priced now. It handles SL quite easily even on ultra unless I’m in a crowded region (yay for “show friends only”). Unless someone is flatass broke, they can afford to put some more RAM and a better video card in.

      Those people running potatoes are the ones thinking a laptop with onboard Intel graphics should be enough, and that Linden Labs should cater to them. Word: IT’S NOT AND THEY WON’T. Second Life is unique. I could run WoW on my old laptop with onboard graphics, but it just won’t happen with SL. Don’t buy el cheapo Walmart Black Friday laptops.

      Go buy some RAM and a better video card (doesn’t have to be an RTX 3060) and you’ll be set.

      I wonder how many potato users are still using the LL viewer? I use Firestorm most of the time, but I use Black Dragon if I want pretty pics. If my rig can run Black Dragon at under $1500, anyone can.

      • The fact you run friends only, just emphasizes how crap body mesh and clothing is for poly count.
        If things were meshed properly you wouldn’t need friends only, to get acceptable FPS 🙂
        You just lost your own argument, “SL RUNS GREAT IF I DON’T RENDER ANYONE”
        Stop sticking your head in the sand.

      • Additionally SL is not “unique” it’s a Game Engine that lets you upload custom mesh assets, same rules apply to it as other game engines.
        Shit mesh will drag performance down.
        No one said they need a super system to run SL right, but the fact is the engine is so outdated and CPU bound you hit a performance bottleneck no matter what your system is the problem and a problem created by creators.

      • LOL all the creators who can’t create proper mesh posting the only defence they can think of get a BETTA computer.

        Yeah a lot of us have really top end rigs.
        Your mesh is still shit when you use 100,000 Tris for a bloody cupcake.
        What is your next excuse, wait turn up the LODS to further fuck things up in the advanced menu,
        Jesus H Christ people, learn to MAKE BASIC MESH PROPERLY. It’s not our fault your customers that you are too dumb to figure it out!

      • Nice try, cupcake, but I’m not a creator of any kind. I can barely torture a prim.

      • I can run the stock and firestorm viewers on an 1165g7 handheld machine with 16GB quite well, if I drop it to medium, and if I’m not sat on the middle of an awful Madlands region with horrendously overdone avatars.

        The problem is that this doesn’t change much even if you’re running a stupid-level PCMR rig or a workstation machine that costs as much as a car. SL can run well, and even look quite pretty, in tightly-run and optimized regions, with curated assets and avatars worn by people who know at least a little bit about what they’re doing, and give a damn enough to not drag everyone else’s experience down because “fuck you buy a better potato”.

        You don’t need to be some pro-level game dev to understand the concept of “less is more”, and for the ones who are willing to learn, it’s not really that hard to teach basic concepts such as using alphamask in favour of alphablend where possible (and using as little of either as you feasibly can). Or, using some of the tools that LL have provided more recently to drop the amount of layers you’re having to onion together.

        What seems to be lacking, or at least not as actively promoted by the Lab that I’ve seen, is newbie or general-advice type places that actually teach some of these concepts, rather than blindly pointing you at $_popular_body_creator because “well everyone should buy a body if they’re more than a couple of weeks old”, or that’s what everyone else uses, or that’s what one of their sponsors makes.

        Of course you’ll get people who think that a 15 year old Intel GMA chipset will work well. You’ll never be able to teach everyone. Just like you’ll always get the fashionista gatekeepers who act like they have shares in Noctua and Thermal Grizzly. For the former, well there’s only so much you can do. For the latter, render->never is a wonderful menu option.

        But for everyone else, including any new blood that might be trying the platform out and could be the ones to inject some more life into the old beast yet, damn, is there not enough being done to keep them here.

      • There really isn’t and the learning curve has only slightly improved over all this time for new users as far as LL-provided assistance. That said, I can’t agree with everyone saying that creators need to wake the fuck up more than I do now.

        Everyone in the comments this week trying to pin the blame on LL need to see the situation for what it is. It doesn’t matter who bought LL, or what they should have done with SL. We KNOW LL hasn’t done right by the platform and there’s a chance they may not ever; but knowing that, why are we, as informed users, not encouraging our peers and the shopping public as a whole to build for the platform we HAVE and not for what we wish it was?

        It’s been wild watching people write off poor craftsmanship of every level (incompetence, laziness, greed) with blame shifting and shit excuses that aren’t even applicable in the grand scope of the argument (“lol buy a new potato”). People should be upset that creators are needlessly making the platform harder to use… Especially if they feel the type of things they buy are only available in these detrimental formats. If the platform is not improved by LL and we as a userbase keep dragging it down as well, how can we expect SL to retain new people in order to keep it going?

        All this came about because people started getting vocal about what a growing number of those who are familiar with building have been complaining about for a while. We should expect better from eachother and in turn, creators should be open to change. You’d be surprised at the number of creators who take open posted invitations to “learn mesh and texture optimization” as declarations of war on their person. And the simple truth is they either don’t want to put in the effort, or they know better and they’re going to keep doing it because people keep handing them money anyway. It’s disgusting.

        Demand better with your dollars and I honestly hope we keep seeing stores shamed for this shit.

      • I made several responses in detail explaining to you what parts of mesh can be optimized on SL and what parts cannot due to lack of modern tools and support. Not our fault you are too stupid to comprehend what you read.

    • Im running 80-120FPS lol wear all mesh, everyone rendored, complexity slider at max and graphics stay between high ultra …HUGE issue is the USER end cos dumbfucks think gaming is still DOS prompt level

    • Who the hell would shell out $3k just to play second life of all things? I can play any modern game I want with no issues with my current computer, including VR games, but if I go into a crowded place in SL I either have to set to friends only or jellydoll everyone. I’d love to be able to see all the beautiful avatars people put together, which would be possible if people who make things for SL knew what they were doing. Other game engines have working LODs and usually cap out at 1 mil tris for a single character, SL is an engine from 2002 that’s been patchworked to add new features and a single avatar can be upwards of 1.5 mil tris depending on what brands you wear.
      You sound like an out of touch asshole who has no life outside of SL, not an elitist.

      • What I’m stating is that if people want better performance they know what they have to do. Whining and complaining all the time as to what “others” have to do makes them sound like a 8 year old that did not get their lollipop. Yes, you are absolutely right. 20 fps in anything other than SL is horrid but were talking about SL specifically not AAA gaming, CAD, scientific work, where a 100% gain could only be 10 fps. The part about the elitist bitch is just some Andy Kaufmanesque humour to stir the pot. And it worked!

  45. About the person making a shit ton of post about TRIS and VRAM and all that jazz.. I think that we got it? Some fresh air is needed.

    You hate Dust Bunny, Mug and idk how many stores, but guess what? They don’t fucking care. It’s been several years, and they do know. And never moved a single finger.

    Complain to Linden Lab all you’d like for allowing this shit in the first place and make place for something new instead? At least, something that we don’t know about.. Yet.

    Weak Sauce.

    • I ask for more posts like that so people start paying attention to this issue

  46. 12) It’s up to the user to demo the item before purchasing a product. Just because you have no imagination on creating an adult shape doesn’t mean everyone else isn’t able too. Also there are plenty of bento bom heads across the grid from different stores if you don’t like the current meta.

  47. #27: The amount of delusion evident here is insane. Lelutka didn’t have a sale to be generous, it’s so they can make money off the people who were holding out the rest of the year. Do you think Walmart has a Black Friday sale because they care about their customers and it’s their way of being kind? It’s all marketing and earnings strategy. You can enjoy a sale, but stop treating them like they did something morally recognizable and charitable.

    #45: No one owes you a sale. Maybe a sale isn’t realistic for a store if their prices aren’t too high. Maybe they can’t afford to compromise their income because it’s accounted for. Who cares what the reason is? What you’re proposing is annoying and rude if you’re expecting multiple people to do this.

    #54: Oh look, it’s Avery and Verinne. Again. Two of the worst people in SL. I would bet money this was posted by Avery and that’s she’s waiting for the smallest shred of anyone agreeing with her about Verinne to make herself feel better because thats how she seeks validation. But the reality is, they’re both absolutely awful. In fact nearly everyone here has said they don’t care for Verinne either but the posts keep coming to tell us what we already know almost like someone who can’t move on. Brace yourselves for the wave of sock puppet accounts to comment and defend Avery.

    To the numerous posts discussing lag and shitty building practices: You’re doing some good work there, just also recognize there’s a portion of the audience on here that doesn’t/can’t understand and/or doesn’t care as long as it’s pretty. Don’t let that deter you though. Maybe someone will learn something they didn’t previously know and become a wiser buyer because of it.

    • Regarding 54 this is a friends only post and no one has heard a peep from Avery about whatever was posted in this. I don’t think it was Avery this time.

      • Avery’s already posted on one sock puppet to defend herself, posting nearly the same shit the sock puppets posted last time, so I really doubt it wasn’t her. “Avery is taking accountability” is something she likes to tell people whenever she’s in “why is everything happening to me??/I deserve all the consequences of my perviously shit decisions to stop now” mode.

        And even if it wasn’t her (playing devil’s advocate here), they still need to kindly shut the fuck up because no one wants to hear anything more about either of these toxic human garbage bags.

      • Even if it’s not her this time, it will be her in the times following.

  48. #7 I would not be suprised if that was Angel sniffing around trying to get people over to Woodland where she is now general manager, and Alex is an administrator. He used Kat to get a position in Woodland and now that he is an administrator he does not need her.She was just a stepping stone.

    • Woodland is about to become lost to a clique. Alex, Angel and their family are all in management or in charge of something talk about the worst family to have in a position of authority and a conflict of interest. Their track record is terrible and there reputation is just as bad in so many other sims. If Blaze doesn’t clue in people will not stick around and Woodland will die especially when that clan starts ganging up on people and turning against them. it happens everywhere they go.

  49. 9# But why not expose how racist and hateful is Daisy herself? She was bodyshaming skinny girls and Russian people at one time. She is who has to be ashamed. Everyone know the YT account is some hater who made false profile. fal’shivaya shlyukha Daisy!

    • “a” titty?? jus one? just one invisible pony rider crotch ? really?

  51. And on the subject of nudity: To be honest nudity to me is just normal. We are all born nude, our bodies have uses. However, I’m more against some of the raunchy stuff especially if they are beyond R and some of the underwear that is meant for sex.

    Human body is not sexual, if you want it to be that’s due to your religious upbringing. The lingerie you use to be provocative is.

  52. Okay here we go:

    ARIA – Solace Sofa – RARE = Land impact 9: 25127 LOD Triangles
    CP La Belle Sofa (Adult) = Land impact 11: 52,716
    Mudhoney = Loft & Aria – Ingram Dining Chair = 67572
    NEW: Chez Moi = Bewitch Loveseat CHEZ MOI = 62118
    KraftWork Impromptu Fall . Louis Chair Yellow = 9420
    DRD – Scarlet Chair = LOD 35306
    Pitaya = French Vintage Mirror = 21230
    Dahlia = William Mirror = 6574

    Please tell all SL creators to limit their Polygons and make only WHITE shit so everything is less than 2k in cost.

    The majority of items sold are higher triangles. Even new ones by the way. All you had to do was go to every fucking creator’s store and start editing objects.

    • Problem with a lot of these creators is there’s no attempt at optimization at all. But that’s because the average SL brainlet will buy just about anything as long as it “looks good”, a nothing else. Then they wonder why their shitbox computer from 2014 is bogging down and slow.

      • WHY DOES MY SKY BOX LAG??? 1.4 mill poly couch in the corner…
        Hrmmm I do wonder….

      • Actually, my skybox doesn’t lag. Then again I don’t have any breedables on my sim.

      • The fact that people want computers that are also four or five years old to play SL which out of the box is laggy is also a problem. I know some people can’t afford it, but don’t expect perfection in SL.

      • there are a bunch of triple A games that still work fine on 5-6 year old PCs. it’s not the age of the computer. it’s the specs. this statement alone tells me you do not do shit outside of SL lmao.

        people aren’t really going to spend 2000 USD (more now bc of how nfts have driven up the cost of GPUs) each year to stay current and interact with idiots like yourself on a digital shopping simulator.

        i do not know why you’ve spent your day arguing with people who just want creators to do better? what’s your motivation? are you one of those creators? if so, take the crit and do better. learning new things won’t hurt you. the most that’ll happen is you get a new wrinkle in your brain and get better at what you do.

        or are you one of those weird customers that bases their entire personality on consumption and any attack on a product you take as a personal attack on you?

      • Analyze this:

        Triple AAA games are closed source. The development teams are multiple engineers working on implementing mesh modeling and scaling it accordingly. They earn a living just to get that done.

        How many engineers work on just one particular quest of a storyline? Or particular area of a world?

        As much as you want to compare SL which is an OPEN WORLD to these, you cannot. People that do SL are for the most part starting out as a hobby, they don’t have the conventional training in this for the most part. And even some of these closed source games introduce issues in production if they do agile release schedules. You can’t pin all the blame on SL on creators when LL created a game that hits your CPU rather than your graphics card. Which means they have to work different because SL itself is a shit game.

        No one pays SL 40 bucks for the game, to then pass that through in the P&L as salaries. Do they?

        Then guess what, those are few and far inbetween. The idiots that you mentioned are the majority of Slrs. Especially the sim owners that pay 300 USD a month alone to L; and some may spend thousands of US dollars on Decoration and Sim. I know you are bitching about the fact that apparently the only ones that spend RL money are those buying computers (and by the way you don’t need a 2k computer to see SL well, and without lag. a 500 laptop works fine).

        My motivation is you guys are signaling out only two of multiple creators. The issue is a much bigger one, and can be applied both to body accessories and actual bodies that do impact lag more so than sims. Which seems to be judgemental and slightly hypocritical. I’m all for you lot stating LL should do better itself, by upgrading their system as best they can. By implementing tools that make it easier for individuals to make mesh from within SL so that SL could then apply some suggestions for improvements. If that is feasible. Pressuring just two or three that are the lucky “to be bitched on” stores is ridiculous when the great majority of stores and sims suffer from this. And by the way, most people aren’t bitching about it in SL secrets.

        And also, so let’s say in your perfect world all creators suddenly become perfect and make everything low count. Are you then going to harass sim owners to remove their old stuff and put only new items?

      • ok

        • we know the issue is bigger than 3 creators. people are using those 3 creators AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO and hope new and current creators LEARN FROM THESE BAD EXAMPLES and push for everyone to make better mesh MOVING FORWARD
        • we know bodies, jewelry, hair, accessories, etc are ALSO responsible for lag. no one here said they weren’t ALSO responsible.
        • we know the majority of SL are people that just buy things that look nice. putting the education out there will make them DEMAND BETTER of these meshers. plus it helps them save their fucking computers
        • we know people do not have this knowledge which is why we are trying to educate here? we’ve had one person even volunteer a discord for creators? i do not understand why you are being so insanely negative over this?!
        • we know SL is absolutely archaic however as a 3d artist, it is their job (the job they chose for themselves on here) to optimize your mesh for the platform they are creating for.
        • if that creator does not want to learn to fix old mesh, they can hire someone else with that knowledge to fix older mesh for them. the reason WHY these creators do not do that is because they do not CARE to be better or are just straight up cheap.
        • no one is talking about harassing sim owners BUT you. if the creator does go back and fix their mesh, people can get a re-delivery and go about their day. that’s it! we can’t control the old garbage but we can hope creators go back and at least attempt to fix it. or give it up to someone else to fix it? there are people who are willing to help if they reach out and ask.
        • LL can upgrade forever but that won’t solve the issue of creators making 400K donuts for an online shopping simulator.
        • i do not know why you are arguing over this and bringing up graphic design and aesthetics into this because this is specifically a technical issue many of us have been arguing about since mesh came into effect. it’s gotten worse and we just want creator to DO BETTER so SL can continue.
        • VR chat, imvu and roblox, are games that are open world, yet the 3d artists mesh there for the most part do design with the platform in mind. i BELIEVE roblox has limits on what can be uploaded (someone pls correct me if i’m wrong).just bring that energy here is all we’re asking.

        i am thorougly baffled as to why you have spent 2 consecutive weeks arguing against an extremely benign position of “creators please let’s try and do better” to the point where you’re cursing and screaming at people over shit NO ONE SAID or IMPLIED.

      • Excuse me: What is the point of playing a game, when you can’t buy something based on the whole concept of aesthetics.

        I mean if we have to buy based on performance then FUCK SL. Because the game itself is a problem. But you lot want everyone to modify their shopping habit based on what? That a friend that seldom goes, and more than likely backstabs you in SL secrets can get good performance? I mean quite frankly the lot of you think that everyone should abide by your rules.

        If you want great performance, and you don’t quite care about aesthetics then why even bother buying a skybox? Why don’t you lot just make your shit.

        Also, last week they said great creators were optimizing. I want the names of all of these creators so we can see what type of further and how they detail it. Because it just so happens that the great majority of SL creators that I have seen and that are somewhat famous all have higher triangles. So is this really a hit piece to just a couple of stores; or some new store that wants people to go for performance over aesthetics so they can sell their stuff?

      • There are “Bigger” creators working with efficient pipelines, the ones specified in these secrets are just the worst of the worst when it comes to efficiency. It is the same with clothes.
        The funny thing is you mentioning that you need the extra quality when these people have been producing high quality stuff at much lower complexity without anybody actually realizing it and for no recognition.

        These designers should be celebrated for the extra work they do on behalf of the engine:

        Hair:
        Stealthic (Low Vram, Lower poly than many)
        Raven Bell (Great all rounder)

        Clothes:
        Tonktastic (Balanced low poly + low vram)
        Contraption (Balanced low poly + low vram)
        Violent Seduction (Balanced low poly + low vram)

        Toksik (Hit or miss but they’re working hard on it!)
        Astralia (Not sure about their decor)
        Salt & Pepper (Vram still quite high, Poly count decent)

        Skins:
        Anyone making Lelutka EvoX BOM makeup appliers instantly wins

        Of course this isn’t an exhaustive list and there are far many more doing the right thing but there is a clear lack information out there which is unfortunate.

      • Okay I asked for creators that are comparable to Dust Bunny, Nutmeg, etc.

        You answered with ones that make clothes and accessories. Those are a different category. Again, the conversation revolved around physical items that are rezzed in places.

        Is Nutmeg a clothes creator? Is it a hair creator?
        Is Apple Fall a hair creator?
        Is Dust Bunny a hair creator?

        I didn’t think I’d need to be this concrete and direct with my questions. I thought people were intelligent enough to come to the conclusion that if we are starting a conversation based on attacking two or three or four Home furnishing creators that the person asking for alternative stores was referring to Home furnishing stores.

        My bad. It seems I’m deeling with people below the age of 25 that need to be explained things in finite words or they can’t connect.

        Great, I get those are awesome stores and those only make for bodies. And?

      • I mean if these people can make entire functional rigged outfits at a lower complexity than a Dust Bunny Ottoman I think we have a pretty solid argument to the fact that it can be done. It’s just unfortunate that furniture creators don’t go the extra mile like these people do.

        You’re embarrassing yourself.

      • Oh yes, and poly copies what other SL secret commenters says rather than analyze what really hits video cards (as in clothing stores and hair and avatar accessories) but you got to jump on the bandwagon to dis to feel oh so smart, baby girl. Pumpkin, etc.

        Still you all couldn’t name any mesh decorating and landscaping store. So you all still clearly can’t connect things in your heads. But follow that SL secrets throw that tomato cult group. That’s what Sl secrets is for right? To team up and bully others because it makes you feel soo sooo great.

      • something can be well-made, aesthetically pleasing and functional? like i don’t know why you think you can’t get all three bc there are many creators on SL that do it?

        this is week 2 of you arguing with people far knowledgeable than you. what do you gain from this?

      • Provide proof. Again, provide store lists of creators that have objects below these figures.

        Knowledge on mesh is not what I’m after. I am telling you ALL is that the majority of SL creators do not follow these patterns and the few that do do not have all of the INTERIOR and Exterior decoration forms.

        Name a few that are:

        1. American Contemporary:
        2. Bohemian decoration:
        3. Cottage Core:
        4. Minimalist:
        5. etc.

        If someone wants to decorate in a certain genre, especially those that are Bohemian or Cottage core they will be hard pressed to find the creators that make items that are low in triangles.

      • chile, these goofies watched that blender guru donut video, started moving mad with the subsurf modifier we are all in lag hell because of it.

    • Those fuckers are just as bad then I will be at their stores next week doing the same screenshots. The problem is it’s a race to the bottom of quality so unless customers keep seeing posts like the secrets above education doesn’t happen.

      I will keep shaming poor creators. If any fucker is putting more than 4K tris in a chair I am coming for y’all.

      • Don’t you see then, the issue is Sl itself. Name a list of stores that have items that are below your 4k because you seem to have imposed your own magic number. King or Queen of SL.

        We want to see ALL of the objects that are below 4k to see their patterns and commonality. Most chairs that are below 4k are basic ones, without any details. No ornate legs, no detailed cushions or throws. Just a basic chair, yeah that will get you less than 1k usually. Everything that is bohemian or different aesthetic other than basically futuristic/modern will not pass your target number.

        Are you also getting on the case of Legacy or is this just nitpicking a couple of creators. Legacy does 100% impact everyone. Remember those events where everyone loads with 30009090 complexity?

      • I dont even know how they get so high in complexity, I wear legacy, always have on jewellery and a few huds on screen I usually at 36000 on average complexity. SO geniuiely have no clue what you mean exactly about legacy contributing to lag ?????? Im interested

      • Complexity is very easily gamed by creators with a little knowledge and can be artificially lowered, much like land impact. It’s not reflective of the actual amount of lag an object causes, despite that being the intent. It’s a really well known issue, every creator that makes high-poly items knows how to do it and uses it to their advantage and the detriment of the user. Ever see items crunch down into a random cluster of triangles if you get too far away? That’s the result of creators gaming the system to lower LI. Same concept is applied to bodies and rigged attachments, but there’s a glitch that prevents the lower LODs from loading so it’s much easier to get away with.

  53. # 29 Ugly Foxtrash now thinks everyone hates her because she’s real. LOL, nah bitch, you’re hated because you’re ugly inside and out.
    You aren’t real. You’re one of the most fake people out there.Talking trash about everyone behind their backs, including your (ex and current) besties, being a lying, condescending narcissist that enjoys racism. And let’s not even talk about her ape-like proportions and the perma duckface. If Slenderman was
    a basic white bitch, he’d look like Oakley.

      • It is, but it’s also weird to be in the breathe spa waiting area every single day fully dressed, never changing; sounds like someone’s stalker alt.

      • It doesn’t stop her from stalking people but ok? Seems like you don’t read very well.

      • I never said it dents me one way or another, LOL
        I just said she is still there, waiting

  55. #45 Not everybody is American and not everybody gives a shit about trampling-each-other-Friday. Also, not everybody celebrates Christmas. If the store you want to buy from doesn’t do sales, just don’t buy it or save up.

    #48 I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this exact top in many different shops, and also similar versions to it. So I rather assume it’s not stolen, but it’s from a fullperm maker and other people just sell it with different textures – Fullperm often enough is exactly made for that 🙂

  56. #23 – Maximum Complexity works great for those who aren’t mindful of it.

  57. #12 is so stupid it hurts.EVO/EVOx are just how skin wraps on your head. Switching from one to another doesn’t change the shape.

    • Uh, you do know that they changed the mesh, yeah? And that THAT is what the comment is about?

      • well learn how to shape better? myself and tons of others obviously are not having these issues. Flickr FB and other platforms all showing gorgeous avatars too. Perhaps the fault in not in EvoX but the user, just sucks at avatars

      • I am ambivalent with this comment. Base heads have particular shape characteristics that you cannot remove however you try to shape. And I say this as someone that contorts heads all which ways. There IS a limit to what you can do. And in a way I do believe the comment is right on two of the newer Evo X.

        Avalon’s base is a younger shape, the circular fashion of the eyes, and the nose, and the lips is. Even if you edit as much as you want; there’s always a youthful shape to the face. For instance Nova and Lake can fit an older skin better. I’m not saying it cannot be done, but it is much harder to do so.

        Where I contradict the person is with Ines. Since Ines is a more lineal profile can can be shaped for an older look. However, it is a smaller head out of the box and I had to modify my own base shape immensely to increase the headsize.

        So saying that the person doesn’t know how to create mesh is wrong. I am a Lelutka fan, but I will state that she’s been catering for the younger looks recently. More so than the base heads that could fit into 30 year olds. Which isn’t surprising considering the adoration for Catwa’s kid-like faces. And by the way the proof that the base shape does give you some blocks is Catwa, the majority of Bento Catwa heads including the HD ones are hard to shift toward a more grown up look. They all have round eyes (baby eyes), and tend to have smaller noses, and plumper mouths.

        The sheer fact that you cannot copy certain aesthetics with all Mesh heads such as Eva Green’s indicates that the base of the mesh has a preset number of variations you can accomplish.

      • Welp is not a word.
        Please, by all means, pop up a screen of your gorgeous avatar. =)

      • Welp is a word as sure as you are incapable of defining the term. Also, you don’t “pop up a screen.” You post a screen shot. Whose grasp of English is worse; someone who uses slang or someone who can’t construct a sentence that makes sense?

      • You only need to look in Flicker or lelu discord group to see plenty of stunning avatars

      • They changed the mesh in an older update. It had nothing to do with EvoX, and there was full of secrets about it back then, when people pointed out correctly that it can be shaped the same way, and everything fits the same.

      • They updated the facial rigging which has nothing to do with the whole shape of the head nor is it apart of the EvoX update, if people can’t make proper shapes that’s a them problem and not a Lelutka problem.

    • And people should be. How creators create their items MATTERS on a platform as old as this. It affects resident’s ability to enjoy second life. SL does not have high performance engine like many other games. So yes, this is important and its important that customers understand that the reason they are lagging so much is most likely not their pc but badly made items that they wear and surround themselves with.

      • ^^^^ More people need to be saying this and not “Get a better potato”
        Can be on a top of the line PC and still have shit FPS on SL due to the age of the engine and the shit creators upload thinking triangle count doesn’t matter.
        Even modern triple A games don’t have mesh with that high of triangle count.

      • Be done with SL. let’s just get rid of it. Since we need to have professional Graphic designers working the mesh. by the way Triple A games pay their graphic designers considerably remember.

        It’s almost as if you guys don’t realize that SL has actual RL people that didn’t take four years of university in graphic design making models. While actual video games have people that have studied that and whole teams working on designing the actual layout for performance. And by the way, try to play those Triple A games with a 5 year old laptop that can’t be truthfully updated, or a Macbook. You still will have lag. And you will need to play it at the lower performance level. Their games do have recommendations for reasons.

      • I play on a iMac and it’s a 5 year old computer and I don’t get the lag people are crying about on here..also my graphics are on med…I love those stores they are bashing we are finally getting items in SL that are nice and I don’t want to see SL go back to how it use to be..I’ve been seeing so many awesome things creators have been making in the past year and excited to see more in the future..the thing is with these people that are crying..they don’t need to go to these stores and buy the items or place them in their SL homes or wear them or even be around them..if their so mad about people wearing them they can always derender items and people..just silly

      • I used Mac as a reference point since all my SL friends that had Macs had issues. Usually it was in events to be frank with 50 other avatars.

        And yes, that’s where I am coming from. Premesh I found much more originality, post mesh it’s usually the same items over and over. When some creators branch out and are famous for this reason they are then targeted. I have had no issues with Lag. I run 60 FPS at my home, when neighbors come in and add nonmesh items I go below 60 for two months and then am back up.

        You as a consumer, have the power. You can stop buying items from a creator. You as a consumer have the power, you can buy the item. If you own a sim, and people bitch at you, they have a choice. They can leave, or derender things. There is this issue with some people that want to gatekeep and control SL. SL already has Linden Labs which controls it, we don’t need fuckers harassing people just to get their way; because they are too “ME-selfish” to consider that if someone PAYS for land and buys shit they can use it. Again, not breaking TOS.

        And I must ask this, do you use Advanced lighting. Since that is what would be needed in order to reduce triangular count.

      • Lol you are the person who got shamed the other week for calling a disabled person a whore.

        Let me remind you to help
        It is Linden Lab not Labs. BASIC.

      • Wrong common sense, ass. Before you fucking blame me on a post I didn’t write, know your shit. I am Common Sense with two capitals. That is all.

        Common Sense
        Common sense.

        Wait, are you making fun of me being roasted for replying to Be Less Ignorant about her Maitreya comment while claiming Legacy was X1200090 better? When in fact, Legacy body is in and of itself a lagfest since it has 100K? So you come here to bash against creators for making a donut that’s XYZ in triangles, but you now snicker at someone talking about Legacy for doing worse than that; since you can choose to not go out and about or to a lag sim but friends that are wearing legacy bodies do impact performance.

        The hypocrisy I see in these forums is astounding. Or maybe you thought I was the other Common sense. My main pet peeve was the fact that two creators are being picked on when clearly the problem is much more widespread and creators will not change; and if you make it too burdensome they will leave. And considering the great number of stores are actually creating the high triangular objects if they leave, they will eventually take the grid with them because unfortunately what moves SL is the economic side from LLs perspective is what I wanted to explain. But you lot don’t quite get it. All you care about is your performance, when the majority of you don’t even bother to put advanced lighting on which is part of the reason why some creators don’t reduce the detail on the mesh and increase the detail on the texture side.

      • We know that comment was by you. Embarrassing.

        I use AL and ultra stop trying to fake your way to excuse your way out of this.

        Common sense? More like insanity. Keep repeating the same thing hoping for a different result: Not going to work. Those creators you are white knighting need to get a clue. Stop coming up with straw mans on why they don’t.

        We all know why they don’t. They don’t have the capability or skill set and can’t be assed to give a proper product to their customers. It is nothing to do with what random peoples settings are lol.

        Every single post you make is pro shitty mesh. Clearly we are touching a nerve for you as you are so close to those brands 😉

        Perhaps take a break and go fume outside LOL. You could also change your user name to ProShittyMesh. It would suit you so well.

      • Which comment? I have no clue which one it is. And I didn’t call anyone a whore last week. So again, please. You are the one that loves to claim others are stating things they OBVIOUSLY didn’t say… Cunt.

        Every single post of mine is indicating that the problem is large and people will not change their furnishing habits to cater to someone else. Nor will they toss out their old mesh products to buy even less mesh content because the vast majority are creating fast and are not experts in mesh. Which you asshole think they should be.

        By the way, the burden lies on LL. And LL only. They made software that’s outdated, they haven’t optimized it and aided creators by adding tools. So please.

        Is this the comment? Because That wasn’t me. I have no clue who is who there. Virtual-Secrets, Week 690 — Mozilla Firefox (gyazo.com) < I’m still curious because clearly I have no clue what comment you think I wrote.

      • And I’m still wondering who the fuck you thought that was. Because I never told someone disabled they were are whore. I still am perplexed by this one. I am wondering who you refer to, because I have no clue of who is disabled or not here, and second I got no clue what the fuck you were talking about with that.

      • how is wanting a platform to work for all people “me selfish”? especially when WE ALL USE THE PLATFORM?

        and

        “And I must ask this, do you use Advanced lighting. Since that is what would be needed in order to reduce triangular count.”

        what? what does this mean bc AL doesn’t reduce tris count?

      • yeah except you and the rest of the low intel buyers are flooding sims with this shit. My neighbor literally killed me on my parcel due to Nutmeg appalling mesh. So your lazy low intelligence approach to buying mesh is enabling this shit.

        But hey as long as you are ok right don’t worry about all the rest of the users on line.

      • And there we go, the personal reason why you quote on quote hate Nutmeg. Your own experience in a sim, which could have had thousands of other products and yet you picked Nutmeg as the target. Could it be that your neighbor also had items that have script which cause lag? No, to you it was just Nutmeg.

        You still want to control your neighbor so you can be happy. There’s such a thing as a choice to remain there. By the way, the only sim where I had tons of issues was one where the neighbors had castles (pre-mesh ones too) and breedables. I was lagged for a week. I decided to not push my own opinions on the neighbors that work in rl, or live off of their RL money, and want to have some semblance of peace in SL.When I could, I moved out of my spot and looked for another one. And when I was fed up with Crosses vs Dildos (there was a sim where one neighbor put three huge crosses and the other one put dildos). I went for my own homestead. Cause I had enough of the craziness.

        The choice of whether you want to live in a laggy sim is always yours. You got a problem, direct your hatred toward LL.

        By the way, who voted you in as the head of the HOA? Because you clearly want that level of control in Sl. I’m through with you Americans that love to control everyone around you because you don’t want inconvenience or worse, you want to push your opinions onto everyone else. It’s getting ridiculous because it’s happening even in Sl. And if you aren’t American, you have that personality type, that wants to make your neighbor responsible so you could be happy.

      • that’s great and i’m happy for you but your extremely personal experiences are not universal. even if you derender everything, go to an event with everyone derendered. you still cannot move? derendering things absolutely does not fix sim lag caused by ding ding ding, poorly optimized mesh? we can’t improve the platform until LL does so it’s unfortunately up to creators to at least try to make mesh that works with the platform. that’s all.

        i have a high end gaming PC but i know others do no. i also have basic empathy and would like everyone to experience SL to its fullest without paying 2-3K actual USD. creators just…doing things a bit better would make this platform better for all.

        i do not know why this is such a contentious topic. lmao.

      • You REALLY seem invested in defending shitty mesh practices.
        Get a better CSR job please it’s getting boring you keep being Pro shit mesh from creators who can’t be bothered to spend 15 minutes making their products properly.

      • If you think it takes 15min to properly optimize a mesh, you also don’t have much experience with this topic.

      • I have no experience except knowing that a 100,000 TRIS cupcake is not serving their customers properly.
        Now as we all know Nutmeg uses a team off cheap labor and pushes out what 3 releases a week so why can’t they just pay for the extra effort and do it properly.

        I would be more understanding if it was one solo creator who does everything but Nutmeg are a frigging industry to themselves and they are flooding the grid with shit mesh that the bloggers and airheads ooh and arhhh over without a clue to the disaster zone it is.

      • No, I just don’t want you bozos to push for only one aesthetic of mesh and about two stores.

        Again, I provided SEVERAL stores that have higher triangles, which means that the issue you all claim is a big one; is impacting a large percentage of stores.

        I am applying perspective since you lot behave like Generation Z cunts that think you know it all. And love to target particular stores rather than actually see with your fucking two eyes and your brain (use it) that the issue you claim is bigger than just Nutmeg, Dustbunny, and that it would impact the full grid.

        By the way, ever thought that a large percentage of Slers that have said offending content don’t want to fork out thousands of US dollars on new content just because you little shits want to spy on everyone’s properties?

      • LOL you are just making yourself look silly now.
        Perspective really yet you haven’t posted a single creator who is doing proper mesh all you have done is shown there are MORE shitty creators to showcase here and I hope they get called out too.

        The more the merrier. Now get back to being a good little CSR for your brand LOL.

      • No, the burden is on you guys to show the ones that are doing accurate mesh.

        The fact is that I am pointing out that the majority of SL creators have the same issue that you all are screaming about. Yet you failed to see that I am proving my fucking point. You guys want to gate keep so show which creators are the fine example.

        I have asked that repeatedly, yet no one has provided a list. This also would show the decoration style that would probably be easier to perfect in mesh.

        You think you are so fucking intelligent when I keep proving that most content creators make the mistake. So why the fuck are you all just targeting four. LOL. Rather than target LL for building an engine that puts the burden on the CPU.

      • There are thousands of creators and you posted what a few tier 2 ones. Bravo that really is a majority. Jeez math not your strong point I see (or logic or any education on why poorly made Mesh is a platform wide problem that could be improved in with education).

        On that note once you are finished with your CSR work or blogging for shitty Nutmeg perhaps you could pop them a link to this post so they can get a fucking clue on how to improve their half assed work.

      • Where are the thousands? Again, I went through the whole list of Black Friday sales. All of those creators, all of the creators that are in events, all have at least one or multiple pieces that are incredibly high in triangles or at least over 10k.

        So the burden of proof that it is in the thousands is on you.
        (By the way, not a blogger. Again, I work in rl to not work in SL).

      • OK for the love of god stop saying graphic designer. Graphic designers aren’t 3d artists.

        There are no 4 year university graphic designer courses that makes someone ready for working on triple A games.

        Stop talking about things you don’t know anything about. Stick to debating pixel nudity and body positivity topics, those are more your level.

        Thanks.

      • Actually, I may not recall their names, but I sure know some that work on this in rl and all of them state that it is pointless for one in rl to invest in SL because the actual game itself is not properly set up.

        Second, details in mesh do impact triangles. So the more detailed the mesh itself the higher the probability of triangles going up.

        And now, I can talk as much as I fucking want. I am a consumer of said mesh, and I find that the one store mentioned above all to be doing well done mesh is one of the ones that makes the least detailed, and tends to make simple items; as in block looking ones that are not ornate.

        You have no fucking right to tell someone to shut up. I don’t care how much you think your voice is superior to someone else’s. Go back to your country or quit SL if you don’t like different opinions dickhead.

        You all sound like little children that want to control everyone else so you call everyone boomers or tell us to shut the fuck up. Again, if you have a problem with all of these stores YOU ALL should invest and build quality mesh that mimics a large percentage of SL stores. Put your time where your mouth is, rather than bitch about particular stores, since it tends to look like it’s a marketing campaign.

      • I honestly don’t understand why you insist on digging that hole deeper and deeper. I have not yet shared my thoughts on this topic. You are assuming I’m in support of ppl who are yelling at designers who are not respecting proper workflows.

        You have heard this, someone has told you that, but you don’t actually have any education or experience on the topic you are vehemently arguing and defending. You are at the mercy of accuracy of the claims of the person who has told you the this and that. Which is why I was suggesting that you stop talking about it, it’s for your own benefit. You keep making yourself look more ignorant the more you talk about something you don’t know anything about.

        Ps you don’t need more triangles for more detail. You are so wrong and off base, it’s comical at this point.

      • Yet with your own comment, you are indicating where your opinion lies. And that is that you prefer spec and mapping to details on the mesh.

        And that means a population of SL that doesn’t currently use Advanced Lightning because of their lower end PCs will need to start using them.

        You keep claiming I’m digging myself deeper, and yet you keep replying back. What’s the point? So basically only ones that can talk about politics, are politicians. Only wants that can talk about medicine are doctors, only ones that can talk about finances are Financial Analysts or those that have studied that. That’s what I’m getting.

        Think outside the little box you sit in. I speak as an SL person that has owned sims. That has dealt with lag myself in the past. One that end consumers do not want to be Mesh experts, they seek aesthetics and their vision. Because the person may think, the polygon is high but texture used is lower res. Or they may realize you can’t satisfy every single computer out there. Because bottom line, you can put a sim as low triangle as you want but if 40 avatars with Legacy bodies and wearing 12321321 come in, you are still doomed. So people will continue to buy the designers they like the designs to. And by that, I don’t mean that the mesh is made well from a technical perspective; I mean from the aesthetics and decoration type.

      • you are here melting the fuck down over pixel decorations for a digital shopping simulator. girl get help lmao.

      • I am not the one going store by store putting pictures of their objects weeks on end.

        I would say that person is just as fucked. Girl learn that not everyone in SL secrets agrees with you gossip cult.

      • we’ve had these conversations about poorly optimized mesh over and over again and none of these people are listening. name and shame is the end result when nice note-cards, nice messages, etc does not work.

        also the gossip cult of showing others that this is not the way to do things and properly optimising mesh makes this place better for everyone? again seek help.

      • And it will not work. Naming and shaming will eventually leave to harassment. And it will border on that if it’s repeatedly done every single week.

        You have no clue about the average SL person either, what their system rig is and if they can even turn on Advanced lighting without their computers falling apart.

        And the gossip cult is also clique and has a tendency of obsessing over some topics once in a while. I get obsessing over mesh that you wear, because it doesn’t matter how a sim is designed, if 2132132 avatars come in with Legacy bodies it will impact performance. But actual mesh in decoration which is incredibly limited at this point. And I note, I have asked repeatedly for examples of Decorating Mesh stores that make better mesh and yet the one reply I got was actually for clothes and hair, and body stuff.

        We are already limited in Sl with what items are coming in because most people find the entry to creator hill an actual Everest especially in furniture and landscape because it is a smaller market. Now we want to make it even a taller and greater divide. Yeah, attack valid things: Too many events, Gacha still alive and kicking other a different name, etc. When you are essentially trying to change how SL residents decorate, then at that point you are entering into their PRIVATE area. And yeah you are.

        Because it will start with stores, once those change then you all start shaming residents and friends because their houses are overtly decorated. That’s the Gossip childish behavior of this website. And I see that behavior all the time, hence why I usually just comment on creator stuff.

      • “You have no clue about the average SL person either, what their system rig is and if they can even turn on Advanced lighting without their computers falling apart.”

        i don’t which is why when i do mesh, i try to take the lowest of specs into account. which is what everyone here has been arguing?

        And it will not work. Naming and shaming will eventually leave to harassment. And it will border on that if it’s repeatedly done every single week.

        someone giving you money and telling you to please do your job correctly isn’t harassment. if you keep doing the wrong thing, and someone is trying to correct you, that’s not harassment. that’s literally someone looking out for you and wanting you to grow/do better?

        i’m really sorry you don’t have anyone in your life that does this for you and it’s perhaps why you’re here arguing over an extremely technical topic well beyond your pay-grade.

        it doesn’t matter how a sim is designed, if 2132132 avatars come in with Legacy bodies it will impact performance. But actual mesh in decoration which is incredibly limited at this point. And I note, I have asked repeatedly for examples of Decorating Mesh stores that make better mesh and yet the one reply I got was actually for clothes and hair, and body stuff.

        i know that the bodies are also bad. i don’t think anyone contested that fact? multiple things can be bad at once? you keep bringing up bodies like the people wanting properly optimized mesh aren’t also wanting properly optimized bodies?

        re: redecorating stores – i recommended pitaya last week? atelier burgundy isn’t too bad but that’s about all i can think of off the top of my head. random matter is really good but she doesn’t do much furniture.

        i can look through my inventory and try to find more suggestions for you since you’re not that savvy to do that work on your own.

        We are already limited in Sl with what items are coming in because most people find the entry to creator hill an actual Everest especially in furniture and landscape because it is a smaller market. Now we want to make it even a taller and greater divide. Yeah, attack valid things: Too many events, Gacha still alive and kicking other a different name, etc. When you are essentially trying to change how SL residents decorate, then at that point you are entering into their PRIVATE area. And yeah you are.

        no one is coming into your ‘private area’ and telling you what to do. i personally do not give a shit what you put in your digital barbie dollhouse lmao. we are talking about poor practices and wanting creators to do a little better so everyone (including you and your digital barbie dreamhouse) can benefit?

        and the barrier to entry with second life is far easier than roblox (you have to use their platform), zepeto (you HAVE to use 3ds), or other freemium games. yes, it is hard to learn all this stuff but now more than ever we’re far more connected and can reach out and ask questions. i’ve learned stuff through livestreams on twitch from actual game devs, just talking to other creators on SL, blender and 3ds tutorials, adobe streams, etc. the knowledge is out there if you’re willing to seek it out. the problem is a lot of people do not want to seek it out or they’re people who find change or any bit of challenge scary. again reiterating the point that the barrier to entry would not be “high” if LL put forth some knowledge and best practices base that is updated and implementing penalties to curb bad practices.

        a lot of creators that do know better, rarely volunteer knowledge bc in such a heavily monetised environment, knowledge is a commodity so they sell bad knowledge or piss poor knowledge via classes in world. i remember one mesher (extremly poor) charging 30K for classes that one could get for free on youtube (basic blender 101 classes).

        i do not understand why you think these creators will just disappear vs just…learning to do better and continue to make better mesh and more money? like do you rage quit your job when someone has feedback on your performance? or do you just…take the critique to heart and do better?

      • Awww the self-righteous creator. “I do things perfect” I wouldn’t be surprised if you also have shitty mesh as well. Optimizing mesh isn’t an overnight process. So you must not be a creator that puts items in events.

      • I think it’s safe to say majority of people on here with IQ above 70 want you to STFU. You’re dumb as shit, so dumb, you don’t even realize it. lawl

      • Actually the majority of people would agree with me. Because you want to pass the responsibility of Mesh integrity toward the end user and toward creators that are on time crunches especially a couple. While you don’t put the responsibility where it truly lies.

        On LL. And no lol. I just deal with this shit in work the whole day in larger scale system projects to then have to deal with people that want end users to be experts.

      • You do know that people don’t have to take highly specialized college courses to learn how to do 3D art, right? There’s thousands of FREE videos on how to make all sorts of realistic or stylized game-ready assets, and dozens of tools, both free and paid, to help you achieve that. I’ve been making mesh for second life and indie games for about 5 years now, I got my start using Blender with no add-ons and only following a handful of free text and image-based tutorials, compared to the high quality videos available now.

        The only reason these stores sell the high-poly items that they do, is because it’s cheaper to hire and/or buy pre-made models from render artists who make models for things like advertisements instead of someone who makes game assets. It’s not about effort or even aesthetics, it’s about maximizing profits.

      • No, it’s because they are in a tight spot.

        Most SLrs do not use advanced lighting. Ask them. Go outside of your Elysion and fancy places and sit with people. The ones that aren’t still stuck in 2000 with flexi, or using older rigs and do not put Advanced lighting because it automatically adds lag.

        Creators have to shift from adding details within the mesh itself to adding them in advanced lighting techniques. Doing so means that they may make you, and the select few that are here happy. But then the majority of the community that cannot put advanced lighting will see a shitty ass piece of mesh that has no details or very few.

        So whom will they cater to? The majority that have systems that will crash on advanced lighting or the majority that can’t?

        By the way, the fact that you are making assets for 5 years and more than likely in real games is education. Someone that is brand new starting in SL will not have the same level of experience or education as YOU. You can’t claim some one that started meshing 1-2 years ago will have the same experience. And making one product amonth is not the same as working with gaming programs where you have other engineers and developers that have tons of other history assisting to get you to be at their level. Hence why even in rl, if you do not have university degree it is important for the person to either donate their time, or work with experts in projects/environments at entry level to acquire the skills from the other older professionals.

        And again, Sl creators are not here because of the love of art. If that were the case we wouldn’t be seeing the same basic home furniture all over the place; and we would be seeing more of the originality we did prior to mesh (Anyone remember Mudshake and a few other funky stores?). Instead, what we have is similar products if at all; and a few stores here and there that jump out with a particular style. Oh, and the more famous they are the more they shift from creative to the same white/gray pieces.

      • People don’t use ALM because of all the high poly garbage in SL. People don’t use ALM because using it on top of trying to render upwards of 4 million triangles in a single scene would make their computer catch on fire, not because ALM isn’t usable. If things were actually optimized, people would have no issue using it, I could use it just fine in certain well-maintained and POPULATED areas on my old garbage laptop. Did you also know that many of these items would look exactly the same as they do now at half the amount of triangles, still maintaining around the same level of detail in the mesh? It’s not about looks like I said before, it’s because it’s easy to throw a sculpt into SL without doing anything to it.

        I’ve seen people go from having no clue what they’re doing to making fairly competent stuff in the span of a couple months with tutorials and SL specific classes like Blender Benders. I’ve personally taught friends of mine to make decor items and accessories in under a week, and now they’ve moved up to making items for fairly popular events all on their own with minimal guidance. And, even with my limited experience and knowledge when I first started making mesh years ago, I had people paying me for custom items within a year of starting. Now other brands and sims hire me to do rigging and custom mesh for them when I have availability. It’s even easier to get started now without a mentor because again, there are thousands of free tutorials available on youtube, and so many tools to make your life easier that weren’t available to me when I started. Even now I’ll watch some of those tutorials because I like knowing different ways of doing things and figuring out how to implement them into my workflow to make my life easier.

        You can make things for SL for the love of it AND still make money, I know plenty of people who make SL their full-time job and still do what they enjoy, because doing work you don’t care about (especially in an art-based field) is soul crushing. And I’ll reiterate: stores like Dust Bunny, Nutmeg, Consignment, etc do not make their own stuff. There is minimal effort going into it on their part, they’re paying other people to do the work for them, there’s probably even overlap in who they hire. They use other peoples work to make obscene amounts of money without ever so much as giving credit to the people doing the actual work, and likely without giving them anything but a flat fee instead of any of the profits from their work (and is definitely the case if they’re buying pre-made models which has been a recurring complaint on here.) Personally I don’t think that’s a very cool practice to be supporting, even if you look past them completely ignoring how their work affects their customers experiences.

      • Also I would like to clarify that I’m not asking for Perfect AAA Level Models, almost nobody is, they simply wouldn’t work with how most users play SL (avatars being the most notable example, you can’t get the same level of optimization no matter what you do because of the need to have a body under your clothes.) There’s room for varying levels of professionalism, from hobbyists who don’t know what they’re doing but are having fun, to actual industry-level artists. All we’re asking for is just a shred of optimization, because the results would be better for EVERYONE, including you! When the mesh is optimized, you can have more things in view with less lag, things would load much faster because of smaller file sizes + less files overall, you can actually SEE them at a distance instead of crunching down into nothing, and the land impact is generally a lot lower too so you would be able to have more items rezzed out overall!

        Who needs a 718k tris, 34 LI bed when you could have something exactly the same or better (if you look closely at a lot of these items the textures are really weird) for 30k tris at most and 5 LI, if even that much? Even if you insist on having extreme amounts of detail put into the mesh, a lot of them can be optimized by deleting parts that could never possibly be seen; for example where the bottom of the bed and the base meet, or the bottom of the blanket on the bed. These are not exaggerated numbers also, these are the stats of the Celeste Bed from Cheeky Pea. I have a decent gaming computer and that thing gave me an instant 20 fps drop as soon as I rezzed it out. I can get around 130 fps in my decorated skybox, the bed made that drop to 109 fps and went back up as soon as I deleted it.

        Also, if things were better optimized, you could actually SEE other people at shopping events, or clubs, or wherever you hang out instead of setting yourself to rendering friends only or cranking your settings down and walking around a big empty place. Maybe you could see some people with avatars you like and *gasp* make friends with them! I know, it’s insane to think you might be able to be social at an event in a game where most of the point is the social aspect.

      • Bingo! but still, they need to take complexity into consideration. If they don’t is because newbies are oblivious about it, LL doesn’t really care and the ones that do care are minority.

      • Well if you are using a five year old PC. That is the case. I don’t lag. And my PC is going on 3 years, then again it’s a 2080 RTX card, connected to the internet directly. I play two games at once and haven’t had issues. (including SL)

      • Interesting. My PC is better than yours and not as old and I can tell who is wearing what body and head by how long they take to rez (fyi it’s Catwa and Legacy that take the longest – Lel EvoX is up there too) Usually the junk pets, smoothie cups, and clothes they have on rez first and passing by them is like walking in soup.

        Sure, I can play two games at the same time as well but SL is more intensive than a pre-rendered game. It doesn’t pre-load in everything, it loads on sight. Getting a better GPU and more RAM will certainly help but what would really help is better meshing.

      • It depends, my RAM itself is also at the higher tier. This is a built PC that I have which I got because I was tired of trying to play other PC games and getting lag.

        I also got rid of the laptop for SL move. Of course, if I go to a sim and there are 100 people I will lag. For 3-4 minutes. And avatars themselves are what trigger the performance, not home and garden.
        I don’t go out as much post Covid because I do admit RL shit is much more important, and much more of an impact than SL. So I go out to clubs and about twice or three times a week. But I a do not notice problems.

        Then again, I don’t expect a 30 year game to perform as a new one. I’m also in my thirties, and I have been with the game from the beginning. So expecting it to rez things within 1 second like closed sourced game is unrealistic.

    • In two or three stores. The vast majority have a lot of triangles but you don’t see the hit pieces in all of the stores. Only some.

    • True… Creators can all do better to ensure their products are not lagging. Bigger textures applied to mesh can also create lag. Also…. the person pointed out Nutmeg having people create items for her for all her events. Should “original” mesh events then be called “original and exclusive mesh”? To me original means the mesh actually made by that creator, otherwise it was mesh made exclusively for that creator. Should good designers who do take the time to learn to make good mesh be excluded from events for creators who have mesh made for them or does it not matter who makes it as long as it looks good?

      • No: Original means that it was done by the brand. If the brand orders the mesh by someone else it is still original. Original means it is new, that’s all it means.

        What you want is for the store itself, to create everything from scratch. That is not the case with the MAJORITY of creators. For time related reasons. And that depends, what your perspective on good mesh is.

      • That is definitely open to interpretation. If mesh is made for only one store, regardless who made it, it would be called original mesh. But it could also be interpreted that the store owner who is the one who took the time to learn mesh, make it themselves, do all their own texturing and put in animations, is creating original mesh, but a creator who pays someone to make mesh exclusively for their store has exclusive mesh (even if the mesh itself is original). Friends that I have who are designers (mainly home and garden) do make and sell their own mesh.

      • I don’t necessarily view SL creators as an artist. Most take Pinterest as inspiration. Why by the way, RL designers currently do. Hence why sometimes one does something that another one did four years back. Most small time creators try to do their own items until they get hit with a lot of RL responsibilities and you know the usual 12321321 events in sl. So they add people to their team, and then it becomes a full on enterprise. I am not against either of these.

        If they buy the mesh for themselves, and they are actively texturing it I am slightly ambivalent but if it is incredibly well done I don’t necessarily see an issue. But there lies the caveat the textures have to overcompensate and most do not. They may also piece out the textures. I wonder if there are creators that don’t do any of the work at all. Rather they get someone to texture, and someone to model.

        (Edited because I was making tea and going back and forth).

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