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Virtual-Secrets, Week 690

11/21/2021 · kesseret ·

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Before we delve into secrets…
• If you hook up with a crazy in SL, it is not our responsibility to help you deal with that. If it becomes a RL issue contact law enforcement.
• Trust no one. If you tell people your laundry they will air it for you.
• Secret submissions are anonymous. We don’t know if your crazy ex or your abuela submitted them.
• Make your secrets legible.
• Do not contact us just to threaten us, especially with e-lawyers. We’ve been doing this for 12+ years. You are not the first nor will you be the last.
• Lastly, if the material submitted here triggers you, please get help. If the materials submitted here make you suicidal please see the suicide hotline numbers posted. They are there to help.


Welcome to Virtual-Secrets, week 690.

Happy Thanksgiving (US friends).

Gentle reminder: you want your secret posted. Don’t mention RL crap, post nudity or near nudity (think would I want to see this on my PC while my grandma/child overlooks), certainly don’t post someone’s address/phone, and I’m tired of seeing slurs, it’s 2021 get evolved at least enough to eliminate that from your vocabulary. Now on to the regularly scheduled secrets.

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  1. Working at the saltmine says

    11/27/2021 at 6:49 am

    #42 No one cares about you being ass mad over “muh micro aggressions” and some vlogger. Fuck outta here

  2. Sota beach vs Adult Sims says

    11/24/2021 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t support that sim it’ is a pedo sim people hate it. It nota successful sim just close down already. The Dark history of sota was once nude beach run by ageplayers and trolls places. now its a for people who wears diapers other kinks and fetish to do hook up. You don’t believe it then why did the sim moved to a different location. Are you scared they find your adult furniture in your special nursery pedo skybox.

  3. Bubblegum Fairy says

    11/24/2021 at 5:24 am

    #42

    I get it, your Grandparents are Romani, living in the USA. But back the hell up right there. You don’t have a right to say that ALL Europeans hate Gypsies, that’s complete bull for starters. Try rephrasing that to an amount.

    I spend a LOT of my RL time around Romani Gypsies living in the UK, those that live around the area of them have no problems with them at all, in fact they’re well liked in the villages, and have always been welcomed.

    Yes there is a lot of racial slurs over SL, but this isn’t just from from the Americans either, this is also the Europeans who are going around with racial slurs above their heads, this also includes it being placed in roleplay sims as well. these sims have both US and European admin in them doing nothing at all about it.

    Every culture is different, people have to accept that, words and names are thrown around differently all over the place.

    How about doing some actual research before you start slandering the entirety of Europe. Where I live, the County I live in has a lot of respect toward our local Romani Gypsies, we all work together as one.

    My family married into the Romani Gypsies as well.

    Before you say anything else. Yes, I’m fully aware the UK is no longer in the EU, but we are still part of Europe.

    Think next time before you make an accusation against an entire population of people.

  4. Truth talk says

    11/23/2021 at 12:28 pm

    29/30. In all honesty Kricket and Elizabeth are as bad as each other and use their store popularity to cover up who they really are. They try to be kid community saints but behind the creator glamor they are both very toxic individuals who bully a lot of other creators, ESPECIALLY behind their backs. And it is funny watching these creators and “friends” run to Krickets post to support her but most of you are the people she talks about…

    • toxic bitch says

      11/23/2021 at 3:55 pm

      Kricket has been in the community for over 12 years, she has never been run off her account for being a cunt, banned from events or bullied a single person. Both stores are popular, but only one of them has countless people coming out about the abuse they have received. Not a single person has come out to say Kricket has bullied them off SL, made secrets about them, attacked them to the point of their mental health deteriorating, but hundreds have come out about Elizabeth doing this for years. Not even one comment of Kricket doing anything to anyone and you know full well if she had it would be everywhere and she would be just as hated as Elizabeth. You’re a bunch of sad, lonely, middle aged women who clearly have way too much rage from your jealously. You really thought you would bully her into silence and when that didn’t work you tried to tarnish her with lies. If you had any truth to what you said, you’d be posting it on Facebook with your name, you ain’t shit but a toxic bitch.

      • ebonybaby says

        11/23/2021 at 5:43 pm

        and you’re an idiot that can’t read. Aint nobody said she bullies anybody you fool. I said she’s unstable and talks behind peoples backs, blocks them for imagined slights and gas lights people into believing they did something wrong. I’m 24, not middle age. And I’m not a fool. I aint gonna post on facebook and have all you fools attack me that don’t know the truth about her. But you will know if you become friends with her instead of just an admirer. Nobody said maple is good either. Learn to read. They are both gross. But in very different ways. Maple is a known bully and loud mouth fool. Kricket hides behind pretending to be nice and sweet, Until you go against anything she says or does. Then you find yourself blocked and an posted about on facebook so everyone of you fools will back her up and tell her how nice she is and how great her store is. Shes got some really bad mental health issues. She is nice if you dont get too close to her, but watch ya’ll backs. She talks bad about all of you just so you know.

      • toxic bitch says

        11/23/2021 at 7:02 pm

        “Because you’re name is Kricket.” Oh honey you really thought you’d done something there, I’m embarrassed for you. It’s your* name is Kricket and you’re not even close. I love how you talk about knowing her when she has had the same friends for years, you’re this mad because she blocked you? Move on, clearly she could see what a toxic, illiterate, pathetic cunt you are and wanted nothing to do with you. You won’t post on Facebook because you have nothing to post and no friends to support you, me replying to you is the most interaction you’ve had all week, I bet you’re beside yourself with excitement. What a way to spend your early 20s, screaming about getting blocked in a virtual world, get out the house and live a life you sad act, so you don’t think that someone blocking you means you can bully them to a mental breakdown and then use that breakdown as more ammunition to make fun of their mental illness. I know your own mom doesn’t love you but that doesn’t mean you can take it out on internet strangers, you’re a disgusting evil cow, stay miserable.

      • This is how Kricket and her dogs really is. says

        11/23/2021 at 7:18 pm

        Maybe you need to be giving the same advice to Kricket instead of allowing her to sit on her fat ass while her guy gets out into the real world to support them. Creating virtual clothes isn’t really a job unless you’ve made it like Blueberry so maybe Kricket needs to get off the internet for a while and stop thinking her small penny store is the shit.

        And you said she has had the same boring ass friends since forever. Maybe because everyone who tries to be her friend gets burned by her and made out to be a problem when in reality it has two sides but Kricket silences the other side with her silent bullying.

        Your response to this actually shows perfectly how Kricket and her friends are behind closed doors so thank you for showing this side of her and yourself.

      • ebonybaby says

        11/23/2021 at 7:25 pm

        I may not use spellchecker but it’s so obvious it’s you Kricket. If it wasn’t, you’d just give your name already since you’re so insistent that others do it. You’re a nasty ass little troll. I ain’t screaming about anything. You need to grow a pair if you think this is screaming ya little sissy bitch. You’re also the only one that carries on about being bullied to a mental breakdown. If ya’ll are having a mental breakdown over second life you deserve it. What a crybaby. And please, keep replying and proving even more that you’re either Kricket herself or some sad sack that is licking the floor she scoots her shitty arse on.

      • Clearly I don't know... says

        11/23/2021 at 9:03 pm

         As someone who has known Kricket for 12 years or so, been stuck like glue together… and not as ground licker (not my kink) Please tell me something I don’t know… Cause clearly you know her better than I do… By the way, I’m Stoxic Radikal. Sorry to disappoint but she’s not on here talking to you. If you have something to say, then come find me and stop being a coward.

      • This is how Kricket and her dogs really are. says

        11/24/2021 at 11:52 am

        We all knew it was you and has proven all our claims that Kricket does NOT keep things personal and that Stoxie is one of her lap dogs along side Laila who are usually doing all the bullying and rumor spreading while Kricket adjusts her fake ass halo keeping up her fake innocent appearance. You should change your name to Toxic because that’s what you are. Thank you for speaking up and proving my claims about her “friends”

      • fuzzCakes says

        11/23/2021 at 10:13 pm

        if this is the chick Kricket that ownes a store next to her bf’s tattoo store then yes, shes a jerk. I had a bad experience with her as well

      • wrong girl says

        11/24/2021 at 4:06 pm

        omg, you guys have all been talking about the wrong Kricket lmao, that’s Cricket with a ‘C’ with the boyfriend and all the fucking drama, that’s the one who’s fucking terrible, I’m dead, this poor chick  😂 

      • ebonybaby says

        11/26/2021 at 11:53 am

        nah. I’m talking about the sleepy fawn chick. I don’t know the other one.

      • Clearly I don't know... says

        11/24/2021 at 2:23 am

         As someone who has known Kricket for 12 years or so, been stuck like glue together… and not as ground licker (not my kink) Please tell me something I don’t know… Cause clearly you know her better than I do… By the way, I’m Stoxic Radikal. Sorry to disappoint you but she’s not on here talking to you. If you have something to say, then come find me and stop being a coward.

      • Dunmies says

        11/24/2021 at 8:31 am

        Lmao while you two are arguing like fools over which shitty person you stan, we’ve gotten Elizabeth banned from multiple events & the Lulla Beebs creator team. Don’t like Kricket? Show evidence of her toxicity and we’ll cancel her too.  😉 

      • Elizabeth says

        11/24/2021 at 10:22 am

        Kricket grow a pair. I’m not afraid of you never will be and no one has ever chased me off anything maple has never closed other than RL issues because in life shit happens. Anyhow. I’ve never bullied anyone, show some receipts or shut up. I’ve stood up for my friends or myself with my big loud mouth. That’s it that’s all. I’ve never needed VS to hide behind. If I have something to say I’ll say it.

        Now kricket you told a lovely story on FB but you left a few things out. 1. My “only friend in the group” was the only blogger. We had 12 or so people in the group. You sent your blogger pack to every single person in the group. No one asked for it but the blogger. When confronted with YOUR behavior and when asked to stop being petty and be a team player you REFUSED. Directly after that ONE conversation you blocked people and went on to try to force the owner to remove me from the group. When that didn’t work you over the last few weeks went to all of the events I was in and tried to force THEM AS WELL to join in on ur vendetta. That only worked with the twins so you took to FB crying. You had no issues in how I stick up for people when I was sticking up for you. The 2nd your actions were questioned and I didn’t agree with your behavior you went crazy and as from what I see here even without a response from me your still going nuts.

        I feel sorry for you Kricket. I’m not mad. I understand you aren’t well but don’t take your issues out on me. I’ve had you blocked on every platform for over a month. I left your event and I’ve been busy with RL I sure am not run off. I don’t have a need or care if people like me. This isn’t high-school.

        Also that pink viewer kricket is a popular built in skin for firestorm which LOTS of people use so your reaching. Get a life Kricket. Stop spending so much time trying to end my income and spend a little more time on your own store maybe then people wouldn’t shade you for not putting a new item at your own event.

        Mental health is not an excuse for your behavior seek help.

      • Kringy Kricket. says

        11/26/2021 at 6:49 am

        LMAO. Kricket has never changed, if she clashes with another creator through private or public conflict she will do just about anything to have events and other creators side with her by trying her best to get them excluded from the events she participates in. I guess it helps her sleep at night knowing that causing damage that will affect someone mentally. She has no capacity for keeping things personal or even trying to deal with conflict all by herself without including friends or people who has nothing to do with the conflict. For example, trying to tug on people’s feelings with public posts on how “innocent” she is in a situation. There is never any solution with her, just war, anything to feed her ego. This woman has never uttered an apology to anyone because in her eyes it is always the other person who is the problem. She needs to look at herself and maybe even seek out professional help to explore why she is narcissistic and toxic.

      • Another Kricket victim speaking out says

        11/23/2021 at 7:05 pm

        Finally, another person that has experienced Toxic Kricket the same way I did. People know not to talk of their experience with her because she is a professional manipulator and knows how to bend people to believe she never did anything wrong and the people who do know how she really is are just as bad as her. Kricket doesn’t know how to keep conflict personal, she loves roping everyone in who will listen to her and then plants dangerous rumors about people in hopes it’ll isolate that person from their circle of friends and family and permanently mentally damage them. Now what is worse, a public bully or a sneaky bully?

      • ebonybaby says

        11/23/2021 at 6:16 pm

        Why dont ya’ll tell us YOUR name. Yeah, thought so. Because you’re name is Kricket.

    • ebonybaby says

      11/23/2021 at 4:59 pm

      This is truth. I saw Kricket post on facebook. Most of the people supporting her are people she has talked so much behind their backs. If you dont support her and agree with her she blocks you. Shes so unstable. Whether it was maple or someone else who made that post about her, its spot on. Ya’ll telling her how sweet she is and she eating it up with a spoon. Its so gross. Kricket you are NOT sweet. You are a nasty piece of work. Anyone who gets close to you eventually gets fucked over and blocked if they dont agree with you or you decide they slighted you for some imagined reason in your messed up mind. Grow up and go fix your messed up life. All ya do is spread misery to people who get to know the real you.

  5. Common sense says

    11/23/2021 at 9:42 am

    16. Is this also related to Manic’s secret last week?

    • Pathetic says

      11/24/2021 at 8:03 am

      Stupid question to ask, cause it is. these cunts have nothing better to do but sit on this shit and pretend they got a fucking life.. there parents should of wiped them on the curtains or swallowed them.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 4:10 pm

        Agreed… just confirming what their plot line is.

    • Brookspickup says

      11/25/2021 at 9:34 pm

      why do people care so much who brooks has been with? Like who did she cheat with so badly y’all keep coming for her? What is the goal of all these shady posts since she been working at pickups ? She killed that place with Ashton it’s all done people.

  6. OhRlly? says

    11/23/2021 at 1:26 am

    20). Lmfao Not sure what this is referring to but I’m glad to see that someone is finally putting her on blast. I once had the misfortune of being her pet—I mean “friend” and I regret it still to this day. She’s honestly the walking definition of a “toxic wannabe edgelord”. Pretends to be nice and will act like she “vibes with you” upon first glance, then basically turns on you once she’s bored of you or gets jealous of something you’re doing that makes her feel “inferior” or irrelevant.
    The minute the attentions taken off of her she goes apeshit and will straight up go out of her way to make your life a living hell over the most minute and mundane things that the average person wouldn’t care about.

    she is also a habitual liar and extremely hypocritical. Lol she once went around telling people I was in a relationship with Alts (who were surprise surprise, all real people by the way, and I still call them my friends to this day :D) yet recently, a friend-o’-mine found her running on a whole other alt account on Flickr which she used and probably still used to like and comment on her own pictures. Anyone who has the displeasure of coming across this woman, be it on the grid or on Flickr, steer clear of her for your own good.

    • Lolipopsucker76 says

      11/23/2021 at 5:08 pm

      I think you have a lot of things wrong about her. She’s not anything you say she is. I’ve known her for a bit spent some time with her and she’s nothing like that. She genuinely just wants to get along with people and stay in her own bubble yea she has a bit of attitude but what person man woman or furry doesn’t on sl? We go from sim to sim and meet people to people maybe you met her on a bad day or spent too little time with her she’s nothing you say she is and shit hits the fan and plenty of people run to a alt account for harassment issue’s, people being stalkers, or creeps being creeps who gives a flying fuck, it’s her sl let her be. You just need get over whatever petty and immature feelings you have let them go and move on your life. Welcome to the mf internet get over it And move on

      • OhRlly? says

        11/24/2021 at 11:55 am

        All you’ve stated is oddly specific. Careful there Cyanide, you almost exposed yourself there.

      • OhRlly? says

        11/25/2021 at 10:37 am

        @BitchBaby And here you are, making multiple comments in an attempt to back yourself up. Cute but painfully obvious. Try changing up your typing style and making less spelling errors next time. Moving on to your points:

        You do realize that all you’re doing is proving my point, right? How does the saying go? ‘A hit dog will holler?’ You’re certainly doing just that, babe. People are obligated to be friends with whomever they so please. I could care less truly and honestly, but at the same time, I would hate for people to be treated the same way that I, and a vast majority of others were so disgustingly treated. Nobody deserves to be treated with such disrespect. I was harassed and humiliated into silence over literally nothing.

        For so long I’ve been so afraid to stand up for myself. Publicly humiliating someone because they didn’t hug you long enough? Telling people that a person’s lying about their sexuality just because you didn’t care to do your research to get a better understanding? Calling someone a ‘bad parent’ because they use Secondlife in their spare time? What does that sound like to you? You can call me every curse word in your vocabulary because at the end of the day, you know that what I say is true. Doubt you’ll read this since reading is such a chore.

    • Noneofyourbusiness says

      11/23/2021 at 10:00 pm

      First off, you complained too much about this to be taken seriously. Second, You are a complete idiot. I know this person and she is nothing like that at all. Clearly you are
      A. jealous of her…or B. was a jerk to her so she unfriended your sorry ass and you got upset. Going around making lies about someone does not make you shine. It only makes you look like a child. Sorry if you felt “inferior” to her but maybe thats because you are? lol After reading your nonsense comment it seems that way. Go cry in a corner about someone else and leave this poor girl alone. She’s done nothing wrong.

      • OhRlly? says

        11/24/2021 at 11:12 am

        No lies here and no tears shed. Sorry. I speak from personal experience and I have proof to back all that I’ve said up. Also, I’ve complained too much? Please explain how I complained too much because as far as I know, I’ve only voiced my concern once. I simply stated my experience. Not sure who you are exactly but you should be careful of who you choose to defend. There’s a lot you don’t know.

      • yourealittlebitchbaby says

        11/25/2021 at 6:41 am

        The fact that your comment is irrelevant to what the actual post was made for shows how much of a dick you are then them. Acting like you barely have time for SL as is yet here you are making time to bash someone publicly thinking that what you are doing is oh so right in your favor. What does that make you? You call them a bully but here you are making an ass of yourself talking about useless crap no one really gives a damn about from a game called Second Life. Crap that has to do with you and whatever happened between you and them. No one gives a crap about your drama you seem to be oh so dwelling over. Move on. It’s called being an adult. Maybe you should act like one. Also what gives you the right to tell people who they should be friends with or not? Haha smh

    • yeareallay says

      11/24/2021 at 2:44 am

      Sounds more like you wanted to be a pet. Why would you stick around someone like you’re describing? Maybe cuz you’re the one who’s Apeshit…the one fucking writing a book on sl secrets like a keyboard warrior 😁.Yea I’m sure you’re “not sure what this is referring”…You’re probably the pathetic asshat who submitted this in the first place lol. You and your “friends” should stop being stalkers and eat shit and die.

      • OhRlly? says

        11/24/2021 at 11:31 am

        Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? Im not 12 (shocking, I know!) I’d admit to being the OP otherwise. I also find it interesting that you and the person either above or below both have very similar complaints. Secondly, what’s with the hostility? I find it interesting that you can come off so strongly towards me about a situation that you were not present for.

        Third, my friends and I don’t “stalk her” and wouldn’t dream on it. I’m hardly even present in SecondLife or Flickr these days and haven’t been for months now. Same go for my friends.

        lastly, I don’t “stick around her”. Haven’t done so for quite some time now and wouldn’t want to if given the opportunity. During that time, my friends and I stuck by her because we cared but apparently that didn’t matter.

        TL/DR since reading is SUCH a chore for you, there’s two sides to every story. You clearly don’t know the same person I once did.

      • wot da fok says

        11/24/2021 at 6:10 pm

        and yet here you are also on virtual secrets having a babyrage telling someone to eat shit and die over a comment about some flickr SL drama that happened in a virtual world. Go eat some food or something and calm tf down lol

    • WhySoSalty? says

      11/24/2021 at 3:09 am

      As a person who knows her pretty well, I can easily debunk this and call you out on your B.S. LMAO For one, brutally honest as she might be, she at least can call out on people’s B.S. And judging by the fact you’re here being salty about it sounds to me like you’ve already failed. Hell, even I can tell you’re full of shit by you fake smiles after all these comments. Lol So dumb.

      • OhRlly? says

        11/24/2021 at 11:47 am

        Oh dear, I wasn’t aware that you were here with me? I would’ve let you in for a cup of tea or coffee had I known. I hope my smile checks out alright by the way since you’re somehow able to see it so well? Hi Cyxnide! I don’t know about the other comments below but it’s obvious this one is you. I too am someone who knew you, just so you know. There’s a distinct difference between brutal honesty and straight up bullying people all because you didn’t get what you wanted from them.

        Also, comments? I posted one comment as far as I’m aware. What comments are you and the other commenters referring to?

  7. ephemeral says

    11/22/2021 at 12:45 pm

    #35 there are a number of queer designers out there doing exactly the thing you’ve requested, and it’s not all (or even mostly) fetishy, it’s just clothes for diverse avatars. Check out Two-Sided and Boys to the Bone for a start.

    Most things that people want turn out to actually be around if you go look for them.

  8. ARisARright says

    11/22/2021 at 12:32 pm

    45. People don’t own color palettes, y’all. Calm the fuck down, lmao I thought this was about actual content for a second, whoever wrote this is obviously grasping at straws at this point

  9. BLUE says

    11/22/2021 at 12:04 pm

    #3 Woodland is basically an Aeon and Avery Family Community. They are basically related to everyone there.

    • Tell The Truth FFS says

      11/22/2021 at 4:19 pm

      You are sooo wrong if you even knew the Aeon family or the Avery family you would know they are small families and BTW that nutball in #3 is NOT part of either family so don’t comment on things you know nothing about Just makes you look dumb along with whoever posted that. Thanks for the laugh tho

      • BLUE says

        11/23/2021 at 3:01 pm

        Anytime Angel

    • Dafuq says

      11/23/2021 at 9:40 am

      That is absolutely correct. Their rules are completely backhanded. They claim to be realistic, but furries are allowed. You’re only allowed cats and dogs.. but there are animals walking around on two legs.. wtf.

  10. Putting in my two cents says

    11/22/2021 at 10:15 am

    #3 She’s still in CC

  11. Ha...Ha.... HAHAHAHAHA says

    11/22/2021 at 7:38 am

    29 and 30…..

    https://gyazo.com/2a109b752f3374776ca5f1874cb18d12

    https://gyazo.com/ccbee94856a5c848ddeb68fcbfcaa5b6

    ’nuff said.

  12. Refreshing Glass of Bogwater says

    11/22/2021 at 7:23 am

    half of the entertainment value on VS comes from seeing how many people can’t put legible text on an image to save their lives. (7, 15, and 52 were the worst this week.)

    #1 Host training is abysmal anymore if anyone even gets it. I’m not excusing that Hostess, but most places don’t bother training new hosts on how to interact with and welcome anyone who isn’t the ‘opposite’ gender. Hosts have just become flirtbots for the most part instead of actually being there to welcome people.

    #19 You shouldn’t ever need to completely de-list an item and create a new listing for it. I’m fairly sure LL disallows that, anyway. Version folders exist and you can add new items to them that weren’t in previous folders. That’s suspicious as fuck at worst. The creator is just ill-informed at best.

    #35 While I agree with the sentiment, I’ve heard of far too many instances where a creator wants to do exactly that but gets essentially ignored when trying to get a Maitreya Flat dev kit. I’m not sure why it happens or who at Maitreya is just completely ignoring them, but it happens. Meanwhile, any other store that already sells feminine clothes and rigs for every other fem body seems to seldom have issues getting the Flat kit. Really makes it seem like Maitreya doesn’t want masculine people to use M Flat, whether that’s the case or not.

    #47 You’d be surprised (or maybe you wouldn’t) how many adult entertainment club owners (regardless of gender) are just fucking batshit. I found myself fairly unsurprised reading this one. You think you’ve discovered the scope of the crazy, then another one surprises you with their flavour of unhinged.

    • no_name says

      11/22/2021 at 6:57 pm

      I checked her profile. ofc no partner. it looks like it’s her way of finding a f#ck.

    • boobs says

      11/23/2021 at 2:25 pm

      19 should know they can add shapes to a product on marketplace since they have so many shapes out definitely sketchy

  13. secondlifer says

    11/22/2021 at 6:56 am

    02.

    This needs to be addressed.

    1. If some one has fallen out with bb and did a collaboration, The CSRs are told to tell people in the group to not talk or ask about location or name of the product.
    2. When her product is delayed from issues (she is always late) CSRs are instructed to use various excuses. Eg she has two bosses now, she is working hard to fix a last minute issue because she wants it to be perfect. It rarely is.
    3. If person a does constructive feedback or has issues on the product. The CSRs will down play, dismiss or use cut and paste generic replies. Also they don’t pass it on, Even if it is valid suggestion or a complaint.
    4. If new product is not fixed and it is past the scheduled release date. She will release it and won’t tell any one about the issues and have CSRs deal with people complaining (always demo first but Some cases the demos work fine but full version is broken).
    5. BB will cause The Saturday sale to be late. (Note bubbles is responsible for delaying bc she always want big names to draw people in).
    6. The TSS or FlF products can be the same texture packs of the original and they won’t inform any one of that. (Try the demo first to see if you have the same fatpack with the name).

    Bb does make great clothes and they are decent on the complexity and she does promote smaller stores but the whole praising her like she is a flawless god and we are always wrong, grows so old.

    CSRs need to be honest and not constantly using generic replies with over the top praising.

    Bb needs to be honest with her products and schedule release days a head of intended date to fix her issues. If done early then release it but don’t waste our time with cookie cutter excuses.

    • Sparkles says

      11/22/2021 at 5:25 pm

      Yo, lol that was obviously somebody cursing in chat and being told to respect the rules. Where did your rant come from? lol Wrong battle

    • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

      11/22/2021 at 6:32 pm

      I’m totally with you; when people were rightly bothered by the insane complexity of the Pia fishnets she re-released recently (the originals were just as bad, I only wore them once), the CSRs just started responding to all questions about them with copy/paste identical responses rather than paying any attention to what people were actually asking. There’s one in particular who is rarely helpful, just mollifying. If a CSR doesn’t have an actual answer to a question, they should admit that, and then find out what that answer is- in any customer support position, in either life. They shouldn’t insult customers by trying to deflect rather than finding out the answer.

      • Whispering the truth says

        11/22/2021 at 6:48 pm

        worse than BB CSRs , only 7DS CSRs are worse lol

  14. The Prime Evil says

    11/22/2021 at 6:54 am

    17. Ach ccha cha looks like amazing place!

  15. Colbydark says

    11/22/2021 at 4:05 am

    40# no one cares about sota it a pedo place as for the people who wears these gross diapers are Ageplayers. The Sim went thru many owners the only why reason never closes because you dumb people who would want to take control of Pedo sim when it has dark history of reports from there. It best to change the name or close the place down no one goes there. If you go to these pedo Sims you going to have deal the pedo cults to all kids community sims. The Sims are owned by pedo ring leader’s who do illegal activities online there been so many proof to show of this matters. Linden labs don’t care they’re going to keep supporting pedophiles. You can ban a pedo they still find there way back to second life disgusting people.

    • Stop Capping says

      11/23/2021 at 12:03 am

      You obviously care you wrote out a paragraph.

    • PROPABRITISH says

      11/24/2021 at 4:08 am

      Your English is god awful

  16. parsnips says

    11/22/2021 at 3:02 am

    45- You’re nuts if you think everyone’s aesthetic when branding is going to be unique. The color palette is similar, not even the same. Your point?

    The sheer amount of SL relationship drama makes me cringe, yet I have to come back weekly to read it, like watching a car accident as you drive by. To the people who all but religiously date people on SL, people DO exist OFFLINE. Try it some time.

    • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

      11/23/2021 at 11:54 am

      Yeah, people exist offline, but have you tried dating when you have a physical disability? Or live in an area with very few people? Or live in an area surrounded by people whose life philosophy is less mature than the average 12-year-old’s? Reality sucks more often than you realize. Wake up sometime.

    • Toxicwater says

      11/23/2021 at 5:16 pm

      In the end it comes down to communication. It’s fine to find a partner on SL, it just happens. But you also need to communicate that you want that person IRL too, not only an SL thing and set boundaries.

      Seems like that’s something lots of people never did and just assumed boundaries are the same for everybody, hence the sheer amount of “cheating” secrets on here.

  17. Anotherkidonsl says

    11/22/2021 at 2:16 am

    29/30- OH Elizabeth, your jealousy is showing and your toxicity is forever growing. You hate the fact that Kricket is better at meshing and creating than you will ever be. Some of your “original” work is not original. It’s a copy of a copy. Why since this is coming to light, are you going to run away for another year like you always do when you get put in place cause of your bullying? Kricket is a nice person with a big heart and you just had to go and try to destroy it because you are not happy with yourself. Grow up. Because all you are doing is burning more bridges. It’s time to boycott both of your stores cause if you are toxic like this for the kid community, can imagine how you are with the adult community.

    • Kringy Kricket. says

      11/26/2021 at 3:16 pm

      A copy of a copy? OH PLEASE. The things Kringy Kricket makes are copies of what she saw on the internet too so stop trying to make out like she is this saint who never does anything wrong or cut corners herself. Fools

  18. # 15 - The Post is 100% True says

    11/22/2021 at 1:33 am

    Who ever posted this had the same experience I did as well. I use to rent from Bloomfield 6 months ago. I was sent a notification from the Community Owner (Petenka aka Adam Crowley-Numbers) stating that the realtor would be reaching out to me to assist me. Also told me to contact his Estate Manager at the time for any wall coloring that I wanted to have done. Now the realtor did contact me and went over the radio and security system. When I asked about updating the wall color, he too referred me to the Estate Manager. I sent the estate manger a message and she responded to me the same day, explaining that she was working in rl and would gladly take care of the coloring of the walls for me. I was pleasantly surprised that she followed through that night. She sat there and colors all the walls for me, and even when I decided to change the colors last min she didn’t complain and you could tell she was just happy to help. I could feel the smile that she had, just by the sound and tone of her voice. I felt so sorry and apologized a million times that I felt I was taking so much of her time. She NEVER once made me feel like I was annoying her. She was very welcoming and I always felt I could reach out to her with any questions that I had and she would take care of it (and boy was I always in her box for the next 2 weeks).

    Now I have been to visit Bloomfield a couple of times recently, and I can see a big change that has been going on here. I feel that the Management Team that they have now are very cold to individuals that they don’t consider there friends or family. I have heard them talk bad about others on voice just walking around checking out the sim. I have never seen such a two-face management team in my life in sl. And yes I am sure there is lots there, but to hear it out in the open like that. That would push anyone way. Even the owner himself does not seem as happy as he was before, it is like he lost his A team that he had 6 months ago and now is left with the losing Reserve Team.

    I can tell you that I have had very small talk with the management team that this poster is mentioning and they are very rude when they talk to you and they do talk to you like you are wasting there time if you ask about any changes or updates that has happen.

    The Owner needs to wake up and realize that this team he has now, is who is going to make his community end up closing in the end. I really did love coming to this community 6 months ago, I loved the Management Team that they had there. It really does disappointment me that the fun loving and welcoming people are gone.

    I will NOT ever rent from Bloomfield again while that TEAM is there. And if they are wonder who I am, I rented a big house on Bloomfield South. Then brought my family there and we where renting 6 big houses alone from them with just us (on Bloomfield Estates, Bloomfield South, Bloomfield Cove and Rio Vista). My Family and I have decided after my most recent incident with their new Management Team that we will not be renting there as long as they are there.

    If there is any RP Family Community out there that might have picked up the prior Bloomfield Management team from 6 months ago, please reply to my comment, as my family and I would love to rent from you. That team would make anyone wanting to join an RP community and come rent from you.

    • YesPlease says

      11/22/2021 at 6:40 pm

      If you find the community, please let us know!

      • # 15 - The Post is 100% True says

        11/23/2021 at 10:05 pm

        It seems like you must be either the original post of the image or had a similar experience in my original comment.

        But I have not heard or received any comments if that original management team (from 6 months ago) is at another community. I really do hope that they are.

        As I said in my original comment, which ever RP community has them on staff, my family and I will come and rent from you.

    • # 15 - The Post is 100% True says

      11/23/2021 at 9:58 pm

      I too would love to know where the old Management team went. We are a family that rented 4 houses at Bloomfield and would go to any community that has the old Estate Manager on staff. I think her name is Shera if I recall. She really was the best person I have ever encountered and I really do hope she is at another community. I rented from Bloomfield almost a year ago with my family too. We rented 3 to 4 houses there. At the time they only had 2 sims and about to get a 3rd one.

      If you find out where she is currently working at. Please let us knows. She really was the only reason my family stayed there as long as it did.

  19. trollme says

    11/22/2021 at 12:38 am

    #33 he looks like he stole his wife’s water-panties xD

  20. Rod says

    11/22/2021 at 12:25 am

    #17 which number Alt is that? This guy, Tiny Alpha has hundreds of alts. Must be no. 564325?

  21. HUH says

    11/21/2021 at 10:31 pm

    10- ATTENTION HAIR CREATORS GIRLS THIS WANT THEY WANT THIS

    …. huh

  22. Concerned4RealProblems says

    11/21/2021 at 10:18 pm

    29/30 Normally I mind my own about creator conflicts, but since we all know who posted that… It’s not really a surprise she’s posting things here again. Instead of accepting what a shit person she is to people, she blames them, harasses them, and then asks them to be silent about the argument. Anyone who’s not silent, they end up here. This describe any kind of abuse to you? I’m sure you can figure it out. I’m one of the one’s who was silent. Mainly, because, I don’t actually share my drama. 😀 lmao… maybe I should with this one… Maybe I will post next week.  🤔 

    • Anon says

      11/22/2021 at 12:06 am

      I would encourage you to post your experience with Elizabeth if you feel you can. You are brave for stepping forward.

      At this point several people have come out with stories about her bullying and she has been banned from creating for the Rosaline & Woodland events.

      Any more information that you can bring to light will help us as we show once and for all that our community will not give a platform to bullies and we won’t give our money to toxic creators!

  23. Thatlanguagetho says

    11/21/2021 at 9:43 pm

    #41 That language will absolutely not be tolerated.

  24. Ava says

    11/21/2021 at 8:37 pm

    53 I’ve shown people but it’s embarrassing. this is the white trash and black trash and all other woke trash people website. It’s just gossip, drama, and liars. I don’t think it’s healthy and I wish I could stop coming here but it also boosts my self-esteem to see all these dumb people here thinking any of this matters in the grand scheme. It’s always naming people I’ve never heard of who do mid to low-level work in SL. Lots of people posting here probably go to that crap event Cake Day and own a house in that luxe LA or some nonsense place that steals the GTA font

    I knew the admin wouldn’t improve it by calling it white trash she feels it. Fucking loser site. .

  25. Ava says

    11/21/2021 at 8:28 pm

    53 I’ve shown people but it’s embarrassing. this is the white trash and black trash and all other woke trash people website. It’s just gossip, drama, and liars. I don’t think it’s healthy and I wish I could stop coming here but it also boosts my self-esteem to see all these dumb people here thinking any of this matters in the grand scheme. It’s always naming people I’ve never heard of who do mid to low-level work in SL. Lots of people posting here probably go to that crap event Cake Day and own a house in that luxe LA or some nonsense place that steals the GTA font.

  26. Thanks but a little help here says

    11/21/2021 at 7:58 pm

    21) Which creators should we be using? Those creators have some of the best LOOKING furniture on the grid but that’s all in looks. Thanks for bringing this to light. I will gladly stop supporting them if someone could name creators who make furniture and decor just as good looking as the 3. I’m a landscape & furniture and decor photographer so I would like quality both ways

    • cool2 says

      11/22/2021 at 10:28 pm

      pitaya (off the top of my head) makes really good mesh that isn’t heavy.

      edit: kraftwork as well

      • Oh dear says

        11/23/2021 at 1:59 am

        Did kraftwork began making stuff with LOD that doesn’t fall apart if you take two steps away? Honest question, haven’t checked in a while and hoping they lvled up their game.

      • cool2 says

        11/23/2021 at 7:45 am

        the newer stuff is a bit nicer but yeah lol. that LOD thing i think is still around.

      • DietLy says

        11/24/2021 at 10:57 pm

        No not Kraftwork LOL.
        They can’t make LODs for shit either and slap 1024 textures way too much.

    • Sickandtiredofit says

      11/27/2021 at 10:48 am

      Scarlet Creative has had a few furniture packs at the weekend sales. Tons of pieces that all seem to be well made in all the right ways.

  27. Hood Kermit says

    11/21/2021 at 7:57 pm

    #3 Is Lucy still present in CC ruining every department she touches?

    • Saucy says

      11/22/2021 at 1:31 am

      Why are you asking this question? You are present and active in CC yourself so you know all about the departments

      • Hood Kermit says

        11/22/2021 at 10:53 am

        I am? Since when? I had no idea. Thanks for letting me know.

      • Saucy says

        11/22/2021 at 1:11 pm

        I distinctly remember you knowing Nell’s every move in CC when you were defending her after she was exposed for bashing CC and poaching after moving to David’s estate. You also defended her when people were calling her the Vic alt. You also know things that happen at the police department. You are either Nell Pepsi or Alexia. You reside in CC

      • Hood Kermit says

        11/22/2021 at 2:53 pm

        First off, my dear conspiracy theorist, I don’t know Nell or Alexia. You are only half right, I never defended Nell, her and Vic are two separate people. I defended Vic who was unfairly being accused of being Nell by some psychopath with a very unhealthy Vic and Pepsi obsession that went on for weeks on this site. I also haven’t lived in CC since 2019. Sorry to disappoint, I am not any of the three people you listed. Try again.

      • Saucy says

        11/23/2021 at 8:28 pm

        Bullshit. You haven’t lived in CC since 2019 but you are in these comments week after week knowing everything that’s happened in CC and what everyone in CC is doing in 2020 and 2021. You are one of the three I named.

      • Hood Kermit says

        11/24/2021 at 8:57 pm

        Sorry to break your fantasy but I haven’t been here week after week, I am not any of the three people you seem to have a crush on, and I don’t live in CC, weirdo. Stop making up stuff and answer the original question.

      • Saucy says

        11/26/2021 at 9:53 am

        No one has a crush on you. You live in CC and you are one of the 3.

  28. FlyingPhoenix says

    11/21/2021 at 6:54 pm

    12 & 47 – Surprise another club owner was desperate enough to post this, which sets bad vibes to every club owner in the business. This type of post looks like someone has a micro peepee and is crying for being ban. Looks to be a jealousy issue maybe work on your club instead of hating on other people’s success LOL? Your club must be garbage if you got this much time, jealousy, and hate. Btw horrible editing job get a photographer next time.

    • BeenThereDoneThat says

      11/23/2021 at 9:44 am

      Nah, I worked for Brent a long time ago. He does seduce and sleep with girls that work for him. The only thing he is protecting is the herim that is making him money and that’s it. I do understand the fact that he kicks out competition, but that’s nothing new. The only thing that is, is the person willing enough to call him out on it.
      He’s like the Hugh Hefner of SL.

      • Egg says

        11/23/2021 at 5:08 pm

        Crying about being banned anonymously on SL Secrets is not ballsy…

      • Pornochio says

        11/24/2021 at 7:53 am

        I’d like to see him get into my panties.

  29. Certified Salty says

    11/21/2021 at 6:49 pm

    #35: No because Maitreya is ugly as sin. Please, I don’t want it to be the femboy/skinny male standard. Literally ANY OF THE OTHER MALE CHEST MODS are better. Freya + V-tech. Slink + Homme chest addon. Even eBody Reborn with the flat chest mod. Oh, and all of those bodies + addon creators treat both designers and customers way better than Maitreya ever has, Freya & eBody also have modify versions.

    Maitreya is an anatomical disaster made by people who treat their customers and designers like turd, and when clothing creators only support Maitreya or only make their flat chest/femboy versions for Maitreya I stop supporting them. It’s time to move on. Maitreya is literally the default SL avatar made high poly. You can see this by grabbing the free “Ruth 2.0” open source body on the marketplace, especially if you look at the devkit – it has the exact same signature shoulder and torso fuckery that Maitreya has.

    Plus as someone else pointed out, rigging is not exactly easy and considering most male bodies are muscular and most female bodies are skinny/curvy… It takes a lot of effort to reshape and refit the mesh. Don’t get me wrong, I constantly see stuff for Jake/Gianni/Legacy male that I wish I could wear on a fem + flat chest body, but I also get why it doesn’t happen often.

    I’m more annoyed about creators who used to make unisex items for multiple body fits, then stopped due to stress of rigging to many (fair), but then chose the same generic Legacy female/Maitreya flat lineup. Looking at you, Asteroidbox.

    Any creator who supports any femboy body other than Maitreya is instantly going to get my money… guaranteed. Fuck maitreya and their monopoly.

    • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

      11/22/2021 at 7:01 pm

      This is gonna go badly for you… broke bitches love their cheap, crappy body, and they’ll defend it to the death rather than update. But we both know you’re right.  👍 

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:24 pm

        Or someone that already has Legacy Body would just rather stick with Maitreya. You know, some people have different tastes, but you bitch think you own the forum and have the only valid opinion on bodies.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/23/2021 at 3:08 pm

        Aww, so mad; whether it’s because you feel “lag” from wearing Legacy, or you don’t want to buy new clothes, I don’t really care why you have bad taste. No one is trying to stop you from being mediocre at best. I’m obviously not the only one who feels this way.

        Btw, even if I had no opinion at all, it would be fun to say these things and watch you seethe about it.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 1:55 am

        Girl, not everyone thinks Legacy is worth the 104k cost on the avatar that does truthfully impact performance on a lower end PC. Now I for one don’t quite care, I don’t want to look like a Kardashian, or like I had plastic surgery to give me bigger hips and thinner waist. Maitreya with clothes looks about the same as a Legacy in the thinner frame. And yeah, I got all three bodies (Maitreya, Legacy, and Perky). And as for nude, not that different if you copied an RL size 4-8.

        Well considering you were the one to attack Maitreya body owners, because you feel uber important, it sure feels like you tend to just adore trolling. Or are a dick.

        And by the way: news all of my friends in sl that bought into Legacy have come back to Maitreya save for 1. Every other one prefers it. And that one Legacy owner is now considering the Ebody. So doesn’t seem like everyone is as obsessed as the Legacy buttlickers in sl.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/24/2021 at 12:03 pm

        Some people are lazy, some people’s machines suck, some people have lower standards; there’s plenty of reasons to downgrade after seeing better. I really don’t care at all which way you go, but facts are facts and I love when they make people mad.

        I also love how you specified that it looks similar “with clothes on”, because you know that naked, there’s just no comparison. Did you know the reason it looks similar to Legacy “with clothes on” when it does, is because those clothing creators build a better body shape into their meshes than the creator of your body did? Wearing BB jeans doesn’t mean you still have that butt when you take them off; it turns back into that lump with no definition.

        Also, I’m not the OP of this thread, nor the only person agreeing that Maitreya is trash; your personal experience isn’t any more representative than mine, no matter how your echo chamber of friends sounds. See, I’m secure in my decisions, so any sad little shots you take at Legacy don’t bother me any more than people’s jabs at Belleza did before. I know what people see when they look at me; they love to tell me about it  😏  Once you are similarly secure, maybe my opinions won’t get your knickers in such a twist.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 6:20 pm

        The issue is that it is not a fact that Legacy is better, it is an opinion. And just because you believe it is a fact doesn’t it make it so.
        Get that into your narcissistic brain.

    • welp says

      11/23/2021 at 9:44 am

      Not in this fight but just to answer one aspect mentioned. Ruth was made from Maitreya originally as a copybot. Stands to reason it would be similar so bad example.

    • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

      11/23/2021 at 12:25 pm

      Thank you. I still have no idea why Maitreya became the 500 lb gorilla. SLink was always and is still a better-constructed body. Teardrop boobs? PFFT. Onyx couldn’t even make the nipples behave properly. And add-ons to smooth BOM layers? HAHAHAHHAHA.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/23/2021 at 3:48 pm

        It’s seriously because Slink nickle and dimed people to death with every single hand and foot position being sold separately, apart from the body. You ended up spending a significant amount more if you wanted to have all the things you got with Lara in one package. Plenty of people will choose cheap over better quality. It was a short-sighted, poor decision on Siddean’s part… and this new “Cinnamon & Chai” thing she’s doing now is probably DOA, because she’s trying to charge Legacy prices and it just doesn’t look that good.

        A “new skin template” might work for a popular body people already like, but releasing a new body that can’t use standard BOM when her previous work is largely unsupported already is like shooting herself in the other foot. Her best bet would have been to update for it, HG first because it’s the one you can still buy clothes for, and cross her fingers for luck. Maybe the foot fetish market will at least return her investment so she can break even, since she seems to think “animated feet” are something SL desperately needed LOL

    • gay says

      11/23/2021 at 6:43 pm

      hard agree. slink homme and freya v-tech are beautiful. at this point i wont buy for maitreya at all anymore and i encourage others to do the same

  30. aimee says

    11/21/2021 at 6:29 pm

    26. oakley really thought everyone one should adjust to her attitude instead of adjusting her attitude. then she gets surprised why no one likes her and her “friends” turn their backs on her. please. don’t cry victim when you’ve been nothing but toxic to all of us.

    • Brink says

      11/24/2021 at 10:12 am

      Well, she thinks she’s better than everyone else, so her shitty attitude is never gonna change. There’s a good reason she has so many haters. If drama follows you and people all over don’t like you, the problem is you, aka Oakley.

    • Karma says

      11/24/2021 at 1:51 pm

      You (Aimee) have been nasty to people you don’t even know or have never spoken before just to lick Oakley’s ass, so why you crying now? After so many years of being her pitbull and harassing people all over the place, if her attitude was so bad why have you been so nasty and rude to people and defended her behaviour for so long? Hypocrisy much bb?

  31. Bingo! says

    11/21/2021 at 6:25 pm

    #35 – People who make men’s clothes don’t do stuff for v-tech/flat chest maitreya cause it means they have to alter it for a completely different body type and re-do the rigging to fit on the “female” shape. Legacy, jake, and gianni are all similar body types and all use the “male” shape so there’s minimal work to do between them. It’s either laziness, they don’t think the market is there, they only wanna see muscle men running around, or some mix of those three lol

  32. FlyingPhoenix says

    11/21/2021 at 6:02 pm

    53 – Happy Thanksgiving!

  33. Juliette says

    11/21/2021 at 5:11 pm

    #21 Finally the TRUTH is out.
    I love that somebody had the balls to post that as I imagine that clique of creators are not ones you would want to go up against.

    It also is a poor reflection on the Event Managers who run Events in SL. They are letting this shit in under their brand name so it gives it legitimacy. Dust Bunny and Nutmeg should be banned from all Events until they can making a fucking proper cake with LODS. Yeah I am looking at you Fameshed, how you know there is a problem you can do something about it. Same as Collabor88 etc.

    Start protecting the customers who come to your event by ensuring you are not letting this poorly made shit be on sale at your venue. You are contributing to the problem fully and are accountable for it. If you continue to let it go on sale, we know again money over caring for customers. I’ll post each week examples showing you all exactly who is making money from shit quality Mesh intended to lag SL to end of all time. Prepare for constant shaming so customers can get aware and boycott you too.

    I am not sure Apple Fall still makes things didn’t he launch a clothing brand? If he is doing clothes I hope he is optimizing and not doing the same low quality mesh there.

  34. Random Ass Thing says

    11/21/2021 at 4:47 pm

    55. Wait… meeroos are still a round? Wow… I totally forgot breedables existed. Oh well you learn somethig new.

    • Cranberries says

      11/22/2021 at 2:58 pm

      Only morons still do breedables. LL should get rid of that fuckery. Laggy shits.

  35. JustToGoToTheBodega says

    11/21/2021 at 4:31 pm

    @ 5. Keria is not only the problem but she is ran-through. She’s a fraternity jumpoff and I’m tired of that same mopey face expression she does in her pictures. Couldn’t make it last with Jah Ohmai, Omari Pacino or Miguel Levi. She is a TGX whore.

  36. Yokai_ says

    11/21/2021 at 4:19 pm

    #35

    Some creators are just lazy, or just want to sell theirs stuff using the best “trending” quality body, just for the sake of it.

    Quick example : Belleza Jake is one of the most easier (dunno about the new Inithium body), male bodies to work with. I’m not saying this to dismiss any creators or any bodies out there, but that is just so lame.. when creators for male bodies only do work or made available theirs stuff for one body only.

    The SL male market for guys is pretty poor. There isn’t much “creative” stuff out there..

    Still, I do agree that a skinnier body, like for example the one displayed on the ArchiveFaction product photos, would be fire. I’m tired of muscular bodies -_-

    • Shut Up says

      11/21/2021 at 6:48 pm

      Tell me you know nothing about creators without telling me you know nothing about creators.

      Have you ever considered the simple fact that they don’t have the dev kit? Do you think that once you start a store, body brands just hands their shit out like candy? NO, idiot.

      Some established designers have been waiting MONTHS before gaining access to dev kits because many many many people are requesting them. It’s a LONG fuckin’ list. Be patient or make your own shit. Unless you’re too LAZY?

      • wot da fok says

        11/23/2021 at 7:19 pm

        This. The hoops that some have to jump through to receive the dev kits for some of these bodies is a lot. A friend of mine recently applied for the belleza jake body dev kit. He’s super passionate about creating but was starting as a beginner. Not only did he have to get put on a waitlist, but he also had to verify that he had a store then had to send proof that he knew how to rig mesh and do it well enough to convince them.

    • Aili Panthar says

      11/22/2021 at 3:11 am

      I’m tired of the big man titties on these male bodies. Yeah, I mean I get it the average man in SL is overcompensating and wants look like he’s on roids and has a donkey dick but there has to be at least some market for a slender guy bod? ALL the male bodies got those big beefy man titties you can’t get rid of. My man wears Slink Male because it’s the slimmest of the bunch and even that has MOOBS.

  37. Sey says

    11/21/2021 at 4:09 pm

    #43 Tiffy didn’t get banned, Twiggy did. Bishop changed his username after it was found out he got another girl banned as well.

  38. Alexander says

    11/21/2021 at 3:55 pm

    #10 – Girls. This. Want

    Please. I have no idea what this is even trying to convey.

    • smh says

      11/21/2021 at 7:32 pm

      i think they mean to read left to right then bottom… so “girls. want. this” in those years and that… whatever that is on the right is the new things… i guess…

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/21/2021 at 10:49 pm

        I’m pretty sure it’s just a meme at this point, it’s been devolving over the past few weeks

  39. alwaysatthelusthouse says

    11/21/2021 at 3:55 pm

    #38

    yo YO!! 

    i m SO sick of these wannabe ALWAYS @’s clamin they f’reel when u KNO they aint!!
    I’m the ORIGINAL Always @, n i got the rep to proo it 
    N u’all KNO ittttt!!

    Well hot dmn jelly n JAM!! 
    SLayers makin’ me put my GAME face on YO!

    F’REEL, when u n Always @, u gotta be ALWAYS @!!
    no half time, part time, summer time, FAIL. 
    THAS WEAK SHIT.

    i’m Always @ da Lusty.
    u KNO where to fin me.
    N, F’reel
    Ur MAN kno where to fin me, 
    on dat shiv u can b sure

    Capitol, A L W A Y S !

    N u can BET when u logged out, he got his log IN
    knowhaimsayin??
    F’REEL!

    so…listn here u slimy, sneaky, snake, Secret salamander slanderer…
    F’reel, u crossed a LINE! 
    so uncoo. u messin wit my REP
    an i don stand 4 that
    NEVER have, NEVER will!!

    nogunnalie!!

    ALWaYS@ means ALWAYS@!
    Say it. Learn it. Live it. ..or keep dat trap clapped!

    N m OUT!!

    ~mic DROP!~

    • Whatever says

      11/21/2021 at 6:00 pm

      I feel like I need a translator to understand this.

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/22/2021 at 7:00 am

        She said she is always there, ask your man.

      • Oh dear says

        11/23/2021 at 2:11 am

        I mean constantly having a dick in her mouth would explain why she speaks in gibberish.

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/25/2021 at 1:32 am

        Is this known from experience? winks

    • downwiththunderboob says

      11/21/2021 at 6:12 pm

      You can’t drop the mic if nobody understands a freaking word you’ve said.

      • Luna says

        11/21/2021 at 8:04 pm

        lmfaooo, I love this comment!

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/22/2021 at 7:02 am

        She say. Your man he love her

    • Sickandtiredofit says

      11/21/2021 at 6:47 pm

      I thought you were a man…¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • Thatlanguagetho says

      11/21/2021 at 9:45 pm

      I lost IQ points trying to decipher this.

    • The Prime Evil says

      11/22/2021 at 6:58 am

      I love you

      • alwaysatthelusthouse says

        11/22/2021 at 2:15 pm

        luv u 2 gurl.
        sistah 4 eva n eva.

        N u kno if a SLayer PLayer eva sed u was sub-prime, or u was not who u sed u waz. (like Good, yo! lol)

        …i’d take that hoe 2 da BANK!

        F’reel

    • Bored says

      11/22/2021 at 11:22 am

      I think I just had a stroke either before, during, after (or all of the above) reading this.

    • Cranberries says

      11/22/2021 at 3:02 pm

      This is what the public school system has been churning out for the last 20 years. Unintelligible moronic blackspeak.

      • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

        11/23/2021 at 12:31 pm

        And racist dickweeds before that, but go on, Dick.

  40. DietLy says

    11/21/2021 at 3:47 pm

    .21

    Dust Bunny LOL she should set up a tutorial on how not to do SL content, it would go like:

    Buy a model from Turbosquid.
    Import into Z Brush and use Retopo to hide the UV information.
    Sculpt a shit load of more detail on (ramp up that lag).
    Sub divide some more just to make it extra laggy.
    Skip all Retopo and creating the LOD models because fuck it it’s about the money not the quality their customer’s deserve.
    Upload into SL with
    High – 250,000
    Mid – 3,000
    Low – 0
    Lowest – 0
    Voila 1 LI!

    Customer spends money on item.
    Customer rezzes the quarter of a million tree miniature cupcake in their home.
    Customer cannot figure out why it is like wading through syrup in their house and why their neighbors complain about lag from their parcel.
    Customer also cannot figure out why if using Mid Settings and standing at the edge of a small room, the cupcake disappears and instead they have what looks like a triangle disaster zone on their table.

    Nutmeg’s one would go:

    Pay 10 USD to a third party mesher who has no clue what game models/SL is.
    Fiddle with textures themself making everything 1024 x 1024 size even on a knob.
    Hey it’s a sofa let’s put on 14 x 1024 textures including the shadow LOL.
    Skip the LOD models and all that as they followed the Dust Bunny Tutorial on the fuck it it’s about the money not the quality for our customers step.
    Upload at
    High 300,000
    Mid – 5,000
    Low – 0
    Lowest – 0
    Voila 16 LI!

    Customer does the same above and literally dies a little inside as their parcel finally becomes unusable and blames LL for lag not realizing that Nutmeg is destroying any chance of using it versus other creators who put the damn effort in for their customers to ensure they had both quality and style.

    • Sickandtiredofit says

      11/21/2021 at 6:49 pm

      Someone needs to send them your post! Nutmeg also displays everything so it’s difficult to inspect each piece. You either get the entire display linked or pieces of one item if you try to edit linked. Bad.

      • cool2 says

        11/21/2021 at 9:13 pm

        you send them this post, two things will happen

        creator – will melt the fuck down, block, ignore, cry on fb about this and try to get their sycophant fans to comfort them (bc they have no friends off of here).

        sycophant customers – call valid criticsm “hate” or “an attack” and call anyone making criticsm “toxic”. they’ll spend free time and energy defending rando creator on the internet like they’re family despite that rando creator clearly does not give a shit about them or their computer.

        these posts have been made over and over again. it has to reach them at this point. all people want is for them to do their job (a job THEY CHOSE TO DO. no one is forcing them to make mesh) properly. but they refuse to do it bc they don’t care lol. that’s it!

      • DietLy says

        11/22/2021 at 4:17 pm

        Each week I’ll go to their stores and pull their latest releases and break down the LODS.
        I’ll post pictures here so eventually you google that creator guess what… just example after example of them cheating their customers out of properly made items.

        I am gonna start with Nutmeg and Dust Bunny. Eventually, their customers will get pissed enough to demand they learn to make mesh and not keep importing these extreme piles of shit. Or they won’t and their customers will eventually figure it out and buy from creators who do it properly like Cory Edo.

        I am that pissed at the shit they are pulling so I consider this my little fun weekly project. I’ll post here week after week on the screenshots.

      • DietLy says

        11/22/2021 at 5:17 pm

        THIS is going to be so much FUN LOL

        I PRESENT TO YOU DUST BUNNY – THE DONUT OF LAG DEATH:

        109,000 TRIS for a donut anyone jesus H christ.
        https://gyazo.com/7df1b784b715894412fc870ccbe9495d

        Dust Bunny LODS are

        High 119416
        Medium hack with SL upload to 3712
        Low hacked with SL upload to 115
        Lowest hack with SL upload to 16

        Look how beautiful it looks on low settings creating the beauty you always wanted for your SL home.

        To help you understand for those who don’t create content.
        The LODS on this should have been at the VERY worst and I could have still got this down a lot more with time:

        High 2500 (but likely could get to 1400 with some extra retopo effort)
        Medium 400
        Low 80
        Lowest 2 to 4 (using imposters)

        I haven’t even STARTED on her textures on that, but believe me I will….

      • cool2 says

        11/23/2021 at 6:10 pm

        it’s nuts bc i think she uses zbrush for her sclupts and zremesh is RIGHT THERE. just zremesh it, uv map it in zbrush and be on yr way lol. use the 2mil sculpt to bake your normal map.

        there are so many youtube vids on this but again these ppl don’t want to really work too hard bc of the “if their computer can handle it, everyone’s must too” attitude lol

      • George Michael says

        11/23/2021 at 6:42 pm

        That is a terrible advice.

        Please don’t do that, whoever that may be reading this and think that’s a good idea.

      • cool2 says

        11/24/2021 at 1:04 am

        what part was terrible advice? baking a normal map with a high poly mesh to retain detail or using zremesh as a quick fix for getting that low(er) poly mesh bc i’m willing to listen. you seem to know a lot so let’s hear it. hopefully others can learn too?

        i don’t see DB (or much of SL) doing any bit of manual retopology bc i know most 3d people hate doing it. it’s quite tedious and honestly i’ve never had issues with zremesh giving me good quads to work with in maya or blender.

        if you have a better way, i’d love to learn.

      • George Michael says

        11/24/2021 at 2:09 am

        The suggestion of highpoly to lowpoly workflow is the correct one, the method not so much. There is only one specific instance where you can get away with baking a normal map in zbrush and almost never using remesher for your final topology nor should you ever use zbrush to unwrap. That’s not to say zremsher or uvmaster or baking normal map in zbrush featrures are useless. They have their uses but not for a production asset, specially real-time/game asset which is what we need for SL.

        If you were to bake your normal map in zbrush, the following has to be met:

        • Your final topology is made first in another software, and you have only subdivided the asset to add more details in Zbrush.
        • UV of your asset was already done on the base model.
        • Your model is a type of model that will have one smoothing group (3ds max term in maya it’s called smooth/hard edge) Because zbrush doesn’t support hard edges or separate smoothing groups for baking normal maps.

        So about the most common asset you can get away with baking a normal map in zbrush would be something like a human head. Since for those you build the topology and UVs before you do your detailing.

        Remember good topology isn’t just for sake of optimization, good topology significantly increases the quality of your model, has a huge impact on the quality of your texturing, and if it’s a rigged/animated model then obviously of course it would need good topology. Which is why using zremsher is a disaster, auto UV maps terrible idea.

        I can go over details of when/why zremesher is used ( i use zremesher heavily during my highpoly sculpting but never for the final model.) However obviously it’s a long drawn out topic not very suitable for this place. Message me on FB Prince Malekith and if you really like to know more, I’m always open to talking shop and going over stuff.

      • cool2 says

        11/24/2021 at 9:15 am

        thank you for this! and i’ll def message you! i want to learn all i can and i wish more ppl in SL were like you.

        i normally use zbrush to just sculpt and then use remesh to get it down low enough so i can fiddle in it in blender to get it lower and manually uv map (bc i hate the wonky uv islands zbrush makes lol) then bake normal maps in substance. since i’m going in there to texture anyway and might as well do all that stuff in one program. but i had no idea about how zbrush didn’t support hard edges. that’s really good to know!

        i’ll def be messaging you! and thank you again. i really wish there was some place out of world to talk about this stuff like a tips blog and a youtube channel for those who want to create for SL. people have brought it up at a creator meetings but like LL just brushes us off as usual. i more or less stopped going to creator meetings bc of it.

      • George Michael says

        11/25/2021 at 11:44 am

        We have a discord server for meshers where we talk shop and help each other out. Reach out if you are interested.

      • cool2 says

        11/25/2021 at 5:23 pm

        interested!

      • George Michael says

        11/25/2021 at 7:02 pm

        Get in touch with me on FB and I’ll get you an invite to the server. My fb name is prince malekith.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:11 pm

        This feels like an add for Trompe, Didn’t she get into trouble once for a mesh though?

        Bottomline, don’t go anywhere in sl. For this matter quit!

      • Robeal says

        11/22/2021 at 9:57 pm

        Hello CSR for Nutmeg, Dust Bunny or Apple Fall.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 1:57 am

        Lol.

        Actually not one, sorry I work way too hard in rl in projects to have to deal with SL customers. I prefer RL cash.

    • Cranberries says

      11/22/2021 at 3:21 pm

      That was a hilarious breakddown. Been in SL for over 10 years now and not once have I built a “home” in SL, what’s the fucking point? Lol. I’m glad i’ve never had to endure all the lagfest. When I go to someone else’s house…I uhh…derender everything. Gaming machine, but the lag for mesh items on SL is fucking unreal.

  41. Misti says

    11/21/2021 at 3:29 pm

    #2 – this was taken totally out of context. I was asking people to honor her wishes of keeping the group clean. It is after all her group.

    • MyMyMY says

      11/22/2021 at 2:34 am

      Everything here is either taken out of context or just plain dumb .. your on virtual secrets no one is taking anything serious here. It’s for entertainment only so you should be good

  42. The Prime Evil says

    11/21/2021 at 3:15 pm

    18. Chi chi chi I like to go to the store where they give away free head and I message girls to ask them why they are there. #Donttelltasha

  43. sweetjesusmakeitstop says

    11/21/2021 at 2:47 pm

    50- all texturing aside, what tf is that? looks like parasols. Did -someone- turn boots into pants by being a tricksy but lazy, little hobbit?

    • parsnips says

      11/22/2021 at 3:06 am

      And yet, there will be plenty of SL bimbo barbies who buy them.

    • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

      11/23/2021 at 12:35 pm

      I think it’s a blend of stockings and jeans. But Cult is worth writing off without that kind of horrific assembly.

  44. Truthsayer says

    11/21/2021 at 2:27 pm

    42) I think you are just upset I was able to articulate my point better than you. If you are Romani, you would at very least address that using the word “gypsy” in any context is derogatory by any outside group, regardless if American or European. And despite being American, I still find offense of its use. It is still my ethnicity and it still shaped my life. Yes, people do need to be educated on the issue. It gets under my skin to see the word gypsy used by avatars as well. I mean one European girl runs around sl claiming she’s actually gypsy cause she’s Romanian, lol. Not the same thing at all. I know a girl in rl who uses it on Instagram and I kinda want to punch her every time I see her in public. I get the point you were trying to make but I think you failed to carefully word it in a way people understood.

    • This Tea needs Sugar says

      11/21/2021 at 6:23 pm

      Being from Romania is not Ramani, Romania have their own gypsies that are nothing like the Ramani, we hold high morals. Romani, are Originated from India and they took refuse in France and from there travelled and hence why the name “Travelers” is used. The we have Irish Gypsies and again nothing like Romani… Am I upset that people use Gypsy as a name?? No because they speak of their soul, being free and having freedom to live where ever you want to even if thats a different place each day. I am in the UK so I know how people look at us but they have no idea about how we live and how we raise our children to have high morals. It makes me laugh when someone tries to derogate the word Gypsy… Now call me a Gypo or a pikey then we have a problem.

      • Truthsayer says

        11/21/2021 at 11:24 pm

        Everyone is capable of having their own thoughts on this issue if they are Romani. And of course I’m aware of Romania is different, why i laughed about it. Roma dna actually typically shows, India, Balkans, Eastern Europe and then it separates from there with some groups traveling on to UK and other places. That’s what historians and scientists use to decide Romani ethnicity. And that’s my dna. However there are plenty of different groups that claim it and argue for the title and who is to say what is right and wrong to ones own family heritage and stories. It has been fought amongst the different groups for ages really. Also there are a lot of Romani groups who don’t like the term traveler, that applies to Irish travelers more specifically or non Romani travelers. The truth is the scattering of the culture due to persecution is what creates these arguments and wedges within a group that could probably all benefit from getting along. If gypsy doesn’t bother you, that’s fine. But it does bother many others.

      • This Tea needs Sugar says

        11/22/2021 at 12:42 am

        Its actually Romany not Romani .. I am too Romany and it sounds like you know very little about your roots, Originally nomadic from Punjabi is where are roots are way back in the 9th century and even before that. Europeans named Gypsies because we looked like Egyptians… From the Beginning the dislike came from those people who gave us that name so no I do not get offended and the term Traveller sits okay with me. Irish gypsies are tinkers, Maybe we just don’t live in the same community and thats why the things we say we are educated on are so very different but I am not going to be angry over a name when literally it came from people who didn’t even know what we were about.

      • Truthsayer says

        11/22/2021 at 2:59 pm

        Lol, you’ve used different spellings for the word multiple times in your chat. Enough for me to question if you are a troll. Romani and Romany are both acceptable spellings, just depends where you are from. You are right about Punjabi, mostly. It was a few places right in that area and the Egyptian roots of the name gypsy. Actually most still believe we spent a significant time in Egypt, which doesn’t seem to be true. Again, you can absolutely have your opinion on the word. I have mine. I’d prefer anyone using the word at least understand my history. Especially, all my relatives dead by nazi’s. I’d really prefer they don’t at all.

      • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

        11/23/2021 at 1:10 pm

        “Tinker” is an anti-Traveller slur, you fake little gadje.

  45. HahaJokesOnYou says

    11/21/2021 at 2:18 pm

    #5 let’s not forget about the fake “Haters” they be having when their relationships goes to shit. Notice how everyone HAPPY and moved on but them. Gia & Keira go thru Men like it’s nothing at all. But that’s who the Media loves to Hype up honestly. Can’t be the people they dating, It’s THEM!

  46. Finally people speaking out about Kricket! says

    11/21/2021 at 2:12 pm

    30. People finally calling her out what she is! A very insecure woman who doesn’t know what genuine means. Because she is as fake as they come. Stay away from her and her rottweilers because she will come after you if you don’t play by her toxic rules.

    • hope you like dogs says

      11/21/2021 at 7:12 pm

      That’s funny that you say she’s not genuine, because she is the only one who has responded on her own account and you are the one having to use a fake anon one here. Sounds like you’re projecting sweetie.

      • Lap dogs let off their leashes again. says

        11/24/2021 at 6:24 am

        Calling her out is projecting? LOL. Are you ever going to be a true friend to her ever by calling her out when she is being toxic? That will never happen so you choose to enable her toxic behavior. I have experienced the toxicity from her AND her friends so I know this is one of them trying to divert the truth because that is what all of you do, she has her lap dogs do her bullying. So it is a little harder to call someone out as sneaky as Kricket.

  47. Bombom says

    11/21/2021 at 2:03 pm

    45. Are we really saying someone copied a color palette now? Just search Google for “best color combos”, and I’m sure that combo comes up.

  48. The Prime Evil says

    11/21/2021 at 2:00 pm

    32. Ow ow ow this is all my A&D Arch daughters
    Thank you all

  49. JustALilNotSoInnocent says

    11/21/2021 at 1:58 pm

    12 & 47: Lol. Just straight lol at who wrote these, you got nothing better to do with your time? Clearly, you have too much free time so I guess photoshop it is. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/tutorials.html < Here, this might help. I’m still trying to piece together where sleeping with his girls comes in, at this point I’m just putting it to the overall tantrum we’re seeing here. Or any of the info for that matter, I need some sources. Can you find me some sources with all your free time too?

  50. nope says

    11/21/2021 at 1:37 pm

    21. Don’t bother, these idiots can’t comprehend that more tris =/= better. You could show a proper game ready asset to their face, literally rez it in front of them next to a piece of shit someone bought off turbosquid, show them how the differences are imperceptible, and they would STILL prefer their single player slideshow in a pathetic attempt to flex their shit pcs. They won’t believe you when you tell them that their gtx cards don’t have enough vram, that SL doesn’t even utilize their multi cores, that cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing enabled on launch day runs better than second life. They don’t understand. They don’t want to understand. Give up and join the party, they’ll buy it anyways, and thank you for the privilege! Subdivide before importing! Multiple invisible models to switch between with a HUD! Scripts for everything on everything! No mod so you can’t delete the scripts, either! 1024 textures for every toe nail, button, and ant! Lag out all your loser friends, you don’t wanna be seen with them anyways. It’s more fun to zoom into your avatar’s eyelashes and wish you looked half as hot.

    • Bombom says

      11/21/2021 at 2:02 pm

      Optimization in Second Life across the board is bad. The app itself is terribly optimized with legacy code on top of legacy code. And then you have creators who just don’t care to even attempt to optimized things. Although no game uses just one 1024×1024 texture anymore, that’s very 2009 and in most MODERN games triangle count really doesn’t matter all that much anyway since hardware is becoming so powerful.

      • Juliette says

        11/21/2021 at 5:16 pm

        Agree on first part.
        Not really relevant what modern games are/aren’t able to support as SL is none of those things.

        SL creators need to get with the fucking program and start making proper LODS and not keep shafting their customers with crappy mesh. Or stop doing SL content and go and work for a game studio (where their skills won’t be good enough either).

        Where is that Canadian guy who comes on here and pulls apart poor content creation. It’s about time he posted on this stuff too. Or as these people his friends LOL.

      • George Michael says

        11/22/2021 at 5:15 pm

        @Juliette All you gotta do is ring the church bell to summon me, like how you summon Zorro …and i’d be at your service.

        On a serious note I started typing up a detailed response about this topic but stopped after a few sentences because what’s the point? I will spend the time giving out detailed information based on experience and knowledge only to have a dumbass blogger argue with me, or some self proclaimed therapist tell me i’m jealous, or some freebie hunter blogger tell me I’m a hater, or some SL designer who doesn’t even make their own mesh and their brown nosing friends call me a narcissist because I correct their misinformation.

        Would spend a few posts arguing with a group of people who have no qualifications or information on the topic but out here brown nosing their friend/fav “designer” all in the hopes of some virtual SL popularity or free blogger pack or an event invitation for their small unknown brand. Facts don’t matter, so it would all be wasted effort.

        So instead of finishing my post, I deleted it, put on some Kylie Minogue and kept on doing whatever it was I was doing at the time.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:17 pm

        Honey, what virtual popularity can one have in an ANONYMOUS Virtual-Secrets? Do tell…

      • George Michael says

        11/22/2021 at 8:35 pm

        Think about it a little bit, I’m sure you can figure it out on your own without any help.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 9:38 pm

        Nope there’s none. There is popularity within SL. SL secrets where someone can quickly type up up a “known” as name. There is none.

      • George Michael says

        11/22/2021 at 10:36 pm

        You’re dumber than I first thought, which is interesting because I’m rarely ever wrong with my assessment of people. Color me surprised.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 1:51 am

        I’m just speaking a fact. SL secrets itself is usually a place where the people rat, bitch, and backstab their SL best buds. A large percentage continue to seek to be anonyous and aren’t seeking to be classified as the top commentator. Now in SL yes. Plenty of creators think they are RL Chanel.

        And I have to crack up at you for that one, sure, sure. Those that comment here aren’t going for the Chanel moniker, let me tell you. If it’s about relationships they are just backstabbers and gossipers.
        As for content creator dumbshit, they aren’t trying to get creators to love them. How the fuck would the creator know who the heck commented? The only way is if someone went to SL and directly messaged them, then those in particular do want to lick the creator’s balls; but the rest that just comment here and don’t bother going to SL just have a particular opinion.

        Don’t like it? Tough luck.

      • George Michael says

        11/24/2021 at 12:14 pm

        I have been reading your posts here, and you are clueless about everything. Literally everything you have said is wrong. You sound like that boomer uncle at thanksgiving dinner who never graduated high school and been unemployed and living on grandma’s farm for the past 40 years, lecturing everyone on how to fix world economy and what the banks are doing wrong and what the government should do to fix the oil crises.

        You have said so much nonsense on things you don’t have a clue about that is virtually pointless to try to debate the topics with you. You are the perfect example of one of the people I was describing as to why I decided not to bother making my post on this topic. Clueless, uneducated, zero experience …yet full of opinions.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 6:26 pm

        If you are so educated, then I would suggest that you invest your time to teach SL people to mesh. I also suggest that you involve yourself in meshing.

        I speak from the point of view of the average consumer that wants aesthetics in SL. And isn’t looking to have perfection in meshing.

        See, this game wasn’t built for graphics designers. However much you want it to be, had it been built that way.. SL would have made sure to plug in rules and limit items. But then, their actual revenue would have decreased.

        You guys may have all the knowledge to mesh making but I have financial knowledge as well as business one. Which is what you guys are not seeing. I just went around my own skybox and saw a shit ton of other creators with large LOD values. I did the same when I went to several sims. This is a bigger issue than just three designers. And people aren’t willing to let go of their old mesh to get to the new ones because most do not fit their personal style. Which is part of the issue that you guys do not see. Nor do you care to see.

        And lol. I’m not the boomer, I’m the Millennial that sees what Sim owners, decorators, and landscapers see. That there is limited items in mesh to begin with, because there’s a steep climb to get to mesh making; and now we want to reduce the overall mesh to ones some individuals think is accurate. I mean can every mesh modeler here get on the same page on what they would suggest for SL? I would bet that even amongst all of you and I mean getting all professional modelers here, most will agree in some areas, and disagree with others.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:16 pm

        What will you do when 80% of creators stop creating, and LL doesn’t flow through the grid? Are you all aware of economics?

      • cool2 says

        11/22/2021 at 9:06 pm

        if you’re the type of creator to up and quit over people telling you to do your job properly (the job you picked for YOURSELF) then please, quit. find some other game to create for (you won’t bc no other freemium game will have you). some other creator will be right there to take your place. hell, the ones here who know their shit will gladly see you off. lmao.

        regarding economics, new creators come and go. people still log on to this game after 18 years, i think LL will be fine lmao.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 9:36 pm

        Okay so what happens if 70% of creators in sl quit?
        And people don’t spend cash in LL?

        What will happen? Do you think new creators will come in? Do you think people will buy more?

        You do realize that if LL were to do that, SL is financially dead right? The majority of people buying said mesh are converting their US and other currency to LL, which means they are passing fees and paying Linden Labs. If they have nothing to buy, they will be happier in RL but SL will eventually close down. And quite faster now.

      • Robeal says

        11/22/2021 at 9:54 pm

        Common Sense let me correct that for you.

        70% = made up figure from your butt.
        OMG the SKY is FALLING BECAUSE SOMEBODY CALLED OUT THE CRAPPY 3 CREATORS OF SL WHO NEED TO GET A CLUE.

        IT DON’T WORK BABE. (and it is Linden Lab not Labs).

        There are a shit ton of content creators and some are now starting to do efficient mesh and their shit looks just as good as those three fuckers who are fucking over their customers.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 1:46 am

        Those are not the only three though. It’s just that those are the new targets.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 2:10 am

        By the way, what efficient mesh? Because let’s be frank in the last year or so there’s been very limited amount of furniture and for the most part everything is white on white and new versions of the same shit.

        So it seems they just open old mesh files and play around.

      • cool2 says

        11/22/2021 at 10:19 pm

        this game wasn’t meant to be a full time career lmao. you can sell underwear online for more.

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 2:08 am

        Except, some folks do use it to make some form of RL revenue. If that was not the case you sure will see a large volume of SL creators LEAVE the game.

        You want to create an environment where creators are forced to make efficient mesh? Let the game actually have a plug-in where you can do the mesh and just load it from one point to the other through an API mechanism. That is the only way to force content creators to abide by the rules you want. Even then plenty of you will be bitching at LL for some things.

        Hell we can stick multiple graphics designers in a room and each will have their own opinion on this.

        And for the record, if you really want to state that someone should make better mesh then look at the type of items that these creators do and compete with them on their furniture style.

        Dust Bunny = Anthropologie Catalogs
        Nutmeg = Ballard? West Elm? What other company would it be?
        Apple Fall = West Elm and a bunch of other companies.
        For Bodies = Legacies. I’m sure there’s a bunch of other ones
        too.Including Merak.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 9:37 pm

        And no no no, new creators do not come and go. SL has been on a decline for 20 years. There aren’t enough creators coming in and spending time in SL to build for you wanna be experts. And the majority of those that actually know how to produce true mesh wont waste their time in SL.

      • cool2 says

        11/22/2021 at 10:21 pm

        aw baby, SL isn’t built on 3 shitty meshers lmao. SL will be fine as it always has. and re” those that actually know how to produce true mesh won’t waste their time in SL”.

        so you admit that the three creators we’re talking about are jokers w/r/t meshing? glad we agree!

      • Common Sense says

        11/24/2021 at 1:45 am

        Those are not the only meshers that are causing lag though. A much larger percentage of them are. So when you attack Nutmeg, and Dust Bunny you are in theory attacking a much larger group.

        It’s just that those are the ones in the Fad of attack now. So if they were all to wipe out of SL a large percentage of creators would no longer be creating, and yeah those will impact the grid revenue.

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:15 pm

        Don’t tell them that is has legacy code. They all want to blame the creators rather than LL themselves.

    • Not Helping says

      11/21/2021 at 2:59 pm

      #21 Pseudo, Mug, Lunar, are other creators that need called out for shit LOD then telling people to run their client max LOD, sorry that’s not how it works.
      For furniture Black Sand a 1.4 Million Poly Couch, 35mb of mesh when you rez it REALLY?  
      SL is also like a 20 year old engine which is also doing a lot of things on the CPU that would be GPU on a newer engine, like shadows, ambient occlusion, draw distance of ground. This all relies on single thread performance.
      Right click and inspect if it’s trash don’t buy it.
      Only way Creators might change or at least make them quit if they stop making money.
      People only looking at “oh but it’s pretty” you’re also part of the problem.
      SL would run great if it wasn’t for all the shit mesh people pumped out there’s Game ready mesh and mesh that’s made for a video rendering. 

      STOP USING VIDEO RENDER MESH 

      PS: This is coming from someone with a decked out 5950x system with current near top end GPU, 64mb of ram, 4.0PCIe NVMe Drive etc. etc.
      Also PBO OC’ed for max single thread performance so not me it’s you shitty creators that think video render mesh is meant to be used in a game, especially a 18+ year old game

      • Common Sense says

        11/22/2021 at 8:14 pm

        Actually mesh would run great if LL were to rebuild it. Otherwise, what you want is for everyone to just not buy shit. Because the majority of creators aren’t actual graphic artists which is what you want.

        Or just buy a better rig. I used to complain about rendering then I got a darn good rig and haven’t had issues for +3 years.

      • Trin says

        11/26/2021 at 8:15 pm

        SL has never been great. The system has always been a graphics killer even before mesh existed. Get some real facts before you trash creators.

    • Looey says

      11/21/2021 at 3:31 pm

      Thank you 21!!!

      Dust Bunny’s stuff I just went over to her store.

      HOLY MOLY.

      She has some items that are over 200,000 TRIS on the High LOD and then on the MID, LOW and LOWEST pretty much zero’d out and I am talking some TINY DECOR. How is that even possible that LL allow this shit to get onto the platform.

      Apple Fall his store, well his newer stuff looks less bad. But the Barn house fucking hell. The textures are ridiculous and will lag most people to death.

      The worst though is Nutmeg. They are trying to pretend to give two versions a high LOD and low LOD except they just used the SL uploader to zero more shit out to pretend it’s low LI. Instead of actually making the LOD models properly and having one model.

      If I see anybody with this shit on their land as an Estate Manager I am going to notecard them this information and explain why it isn’t welcome and recommend proper content creators to buy from. I don’t want my customers to be lagged to death due to them not knowing what dreadful creators these 3 are. I am surprised more people haven’t clocked this issue.

      Save your graphic cards folks, these clowns are destroying your hardware!

      • cool2 says

        11/21/2021 at 6:32 pm

        i yeeted most of dust bunny and nutmeg’s stuff out of my inventory and home. i don’t know why they both have been on here for so long and yet refuse to improve their craft. DB’s older stuff compared to now? lovely textures but she’s gotten worse with mesh. it’s heavier (i’m convinced she’s sculpting over 3d scans at this point). zero improvement or any bit of optimization. it’s actually gotten worse. maybe she thinks her entire store is supposed to be grey and no other avatar needs to move? what the absolute fuck.

        nutmeg’s answer to an entirely grey store was put a rezzer for each object. that literally does nothing! the mesh is all joined and when you rez a set it’s grey for a min. and my comp isn’t a terrible one. i stream easily, play other newer games with no problem. it’s only SL where my fans kick in.

        apple fall has somewhat improved with regards to poly but he’s really gotta go back and fix older stuff. either that or give it all away or discontinue it.

        the thing is, each of these creators do WELL on here but they are that fucking greedy/arrogant that they refuse to a) pay for a fucking class to learn basic retopo (bc they feel they earn money so that makes them pros ?>!?!?!?!?) or b) pay someone else to fix their heavy ass mesh.

        plus you can’t tell these people anything bc they’ll freak out over the slightest bit of positive critique (this tells me they don’t actually have jobs off of here), they’ll block you or ignore you, or start whining on fb or group chats over ppl being “haters”. tax paying adults over here.

    • cool2 says

      11/21/2021 at 5:12 pm

      wish i could like this twice lmao.

      i feel if these people just learned what retopology was, they’d be unstoppable lmao. the problem is they don’t play or do anything outside of second life and there’s no penalty for making heavy mesh so it is what it is.

    • Bingo! says

      11/21/2021 at 6:36 pm

      Customers think high tris+huge textures=better because these and other creators have run long-time ad campaigns saying that it is, plus the weird insistence that “SL isn’t a game” and therefore having things made for rendering over 5 hours in a 3D program is totally cool and fine. You can make something that looks exactly the same OR BETTER with normal maps but who uses ALM when SL lags so bad?
      Plus if we’re talking about high-poly/laggy stuff in SL, we should be focusing in on avatars. Legacy Female is close to 800k tris just for the body, last time I checked earlier this year for example.

    • Bleh says

      11/22/2021 at 4:37 am

      Let’s not forget Onsu’s 1024×1024 textures on every single thing, no matter how tiny. I blacklist their stuff whenever I come across them.

      • cool2 says

        11/24/2021 at 12:34 pm

        im really surprised how many creators on SL do not know how to bake multiple textures onto one uv map. like junkfood has 10+ 1024×1024 maps for like a plate of chicken tenders. i think she hires someone to do this for her but like, here’s hoping that guy sees this.

        i’m posting this vid here in case anyone else wants to learn (blender)
        2.79 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9airvjDaVh4
        2.8+- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7Xdol5erw

        for 2.8 i use the uv node when i bake to one map. you’ll get that circular dependency error but make sure that node is selected and connected to the new image you created to bake it to(it’ll have a white border around it) on each texture and you should be fine.

  51. please take some graphic design classes says

    11/21/2021 at 1:36 pm

    Maple, Elizabeth, skeleton woman, you look like you stink and it turns out you really do. You have been incredibly jealous of Kricket from the get go, her items are far superior to yours and you can’t handle that. Everyone knows what a pathetic, toxic piece of shit you are, now you’ve just proved it all over again by attacking someone who is incredibly apprecaited. Hope your one friend and lap dog Cece will be there to dry your acid tears you sad old hag.

  52. The Prime Evil says

    11/21/2021 at 1:32 pm

    51. Please Derv listen to me your grandfather. Let me see, oh I forgot what to say.

  53. The Prime Evil says

    11/21/2021 at 1:21 pm

    8. Dear Catwa please when will you give free head again?

    • Major Yikes says

      11/21/2021 at 1:47 pm

      Were two not enough for you?

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/21/2021 at 2:08 pm

        Winks

      • smh says

        11/21/2021 at 2:09 pm

        EvERyThINg MuST Be FReE

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/21/2021 at 3:29 pm

        I like free, you would be amazes at the free work I can have done and all it costs me is a group title.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/21/2021 at 4:12 pm

        I really doubt you would amaze anyone, but feel free to drop some samples of your “free work” if you’re that confident in it.

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/21/2021 at 4:20 pm

        Ah yes please stop by the Eternal Conflict Sims. There you will find my work and people who will do anything for a group title. Pls pls feel free to leave your rating. Thank you all

      • JaneLol says

        11/23/2021 at 4:15 am

        Yes, I stopped once, and thought it’s fun. Got sucked into it for 3 days after I realized how fucking boring it can be to repeat click 5000 times.

        Then your cult members start stalking me, they check your picks or groups to find you for imaginary angel/demon points, including in my bathroom at home.

        Also your build looks cringy at least.

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/25/2021 at 1:27 am

        Thank for the amazing compliment. Cha cha cha the stalkers they feel important doing these things.

      • JaneLol says

        11/26/2021 at 7:53 am

        Cha cha do you even know what a stalker is ?

        You have a public sim.

        Someone went there, that’s me, like many other people.

        Didn’t liked it and the culture, posted here as a reply to you, prompted by YOUR comment about visiting your SIMs.

        How fucking stupid can you be not to understand such a simple flow and confuse that with stalking ?

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/26/2021 at 10:52 am

        You invite everyone to go see your “work” and then call them stalkers when they do it? You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? You don’t need to answer that, dimwit; everyone reading your comments knows it already.

    • Bombom says

      11/21/2021 at 2:03 pm

      Just buy one?

    • trollme says

      11/22/2021 at 12:56 am

      If you can’t afford $20 on a hobby you should re-think life choices in RL

      • The Prime Evil says

        11/22/2021 at 6:47 am

        Ji ji ji sometime we cannot see the stars from the cloudy. It is there though I promise you. Look past your own wounds, find your star.

    • Refreshing Glass of Bogwater says

      11/22/2021 at 7:31 am

      i’d not buy one of their heads even if it was free. (and I didn’t. their hdpro line is a joke, queen included)

  54. Jen says

    11/21/2021 at 1:21 pm

    No. 14
    Before anyone jumps on me for this post, please bear in mind the following:

    1/ I have posted this to encourage the owners of Carroway Heights, of which I am a former estate manager, to refund those residents who were led to believe (as I was) that the sim was being renovated. For two weeks before the sim was closed, the sim was gutted which I don’t think was fair to residents who were paying high prices (2250/w) to participate in a RP sim.

    2/ Like everyone else I was surprised and hurt when Carroway Heights closed, and felt betrayed and let down by the owners. I had made a substantial contribution to the sim, both financially and non-financially and I thought it was bad form that the sim closed in the way it did.

    3/ I have tried to make amends with the owners, but they refuse to engage with me. When they returned to SL, I offered them my land. I bought them a new property (worth 2,300L). I genuinely missed them when they were absent, but I was never given an explanation for why the sim closed, when or if it would reopen, and what was going to happen.

    4/ I was informed weeks later that the sim was being paid by a former close friend of mine. Since I found this out, I have been saving up as many lindens as I can to ensure she is being repaid, even though this is not my responsibility. This weekend I was able to pay that person L$21,900 lindens because I felt bad that they had been left out of pocket.

    All of this arose because the owners refuse to engage, which leads me to conclude they are just disingenuous people who never cared in the first place. This will be my last engagement with these people. I just hope this serves as a warning to other folks not to engage in your sim, especially if you are going to behave in this manner.

    J.

  55. LOLOL says

    11/21/2021 at 1:17 pm

    #29 & #30
    Elizabeth, you are such a fake, toxic, cunt! Here you are bullying and doing the same shit you cried about years ago and still bring up to this day with Turducken. You will never have even HALF the talent Kricket does. Jealous bitch.

    • Sparklefarts says

      11/21/2021 at 2:07 pm

      THIS is the reason I left SL permanently. The toxicity between the people in the SL community is fucking horrid… why can’t people just bite their goddamn tongues and mind their business? The world would be a much happier place.

      • Kricket is a big example of why SL is toxic! says

        11/21/2021 at 2:20 pm

        You still waste your time reading the secrets and commenting? Your life must be boring.

      • trollme says

        11/22/2021 at 12:59 am

        they probably just burnt out their walmart hp laptop and can’t afford another and since lumiya is gone I bet they’re one of those “oh I can’t go I’m on a text only client” people

      • Common sense says

        11/21/2021 at 2:22 pm

        You left SL just to come and read about the sewage of SL here instead to avoid drama?
        https://media4.giphy.com/media/oFRI4g517yWaI/giphy.gif?cid=5e2148865o3snznss6ao3jal7g3g3ulmmwnafwzp60z54tof&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

      • trollme says

        11/22/2021 at 12:58 am

        Yet here you are reading and commenting on these posts, if you leave then LEAVE. Moron. That’s like breaking up with someone and trying to keep your ex’s parents. lol.

    • Anon says

      11/21/2021 at 4:02 pm

      #29 #30

      I had suspected Elizabitch was an avid SL secrets poster after her attacks against Thor and after seeing the exposure post it is obvious these were posted by her  😂  Good job showing your pink interface amateur LOL such sloppy work from someone so hard they hang around SL safe hubs!  😂  😂  😂  😂  😂  👌 

      Elizabitch has been on a war path in 2021, the list of people she’s hurt just keeps growing.

      First as we all know she famously bullied Thor Peke into quitting SL… Our community will never forget that one. After that she publicly attacked a group of people to try and deflect from the backlash she was getting over Thor. One of them also quit SL. Now Kricket has bravely come forth publicly about her experience with this toxic creator, and how she has been bullying Kricket behind the scenes. Truly heart breaking.

      Her true nature is being exposed to the community, but my heart goes out to all of the people she’s hurting. I fear that for all that we are seeing come forth there are even more people who are too afraid to speak out because of her creator status.

      In conclusion…

      Boycott Maple! Advocate for her to be banned from all kid events! Revoke her rights to Lulla Beebs! Take a stand against bullying!

      -Anon

      • ebonybaby says

        11/21/2021 at 8:52 pm

        From what we have gathered so far, the owner of Lulla Beebs is an adult body creator. We heard maitreya by the way they run their groups. They have no idea of any of the kid community toxicity. Most of the people they have in their exclusive only creators are shit people, including both the mapl store owner and kricket. Kricket causes drama everywhere she goes and Maple is a hot mess. Ya’ll keep fucking off the kid community creators with your toxicity. I hope Lulla Beebs doesn’t leave too. This is the best thing that’s happened to the kid community in years, ya’ll best not fuck it up too.

      • Dumb take says

        11/22/2021 at 2:20 pm

        …..because throwing money at Bad Seed for a body that was in high demand and then limiting the creators who can profit and create for it to an elite few, is the best thing that happened to the community? Lol okay then.

        They wouldn’t even allow Baby Faces to create for their body, and we all know they are one of the highest quality skin brands we have.

      • check your facts says

        11/22/2021 at 2:30 pm

        Considering your first fact is completely off, no one else can take the rest of your shit seriously. Everyone knows who the creator is and she has nothing to do with the adult community, she put the Lullabeebs store on her fucking Sim. Now name all the drama Kricket has been involved in, I’ve known her for 12 years and ain’t seen shit, nada, nothing. Now name all the drama Elizabeth has been involved in, you’ll be here all day. Check your facts or shut the fuck up, stop spreading lies. People like you and Elizabeth are the reason the kids world is turning to shit. Log out permanently.

  56. VS Tea Sipper says

    11/21/2021 at 1:14 pm

    #22. Honestly, I don’t see the big deal with adding words for better description.. like.. it’s better than being overly repetitive with the same old one to two liner posts. Which everyone has their own rp style, of course.

    Happy Friendsgiving.

  57. WeKnowWhoYouAreRarw says

    11/21/2021 at 1:06 pm

    #50. seems like someone who posted this has trigger issues just another designer with hateful insecurities! they got one thing right Cult makes bomb ass shoes for sure!

    • Major Yikes says

      11/21/2021 at 1:46 pm

      You have some low standarts, then!

    • smh says

      11/21/2021 at 2:15 pm

      he DOES have bomb ass shoes, and everything else he makes. plus he’s one of the very few creators who are extremely generous. i wish more were like mr kunt.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/21/2021 at 4:51 pm

        His shoes are only OK. The stiletto styles are very useful for strippers and whatnot I suppose, and I appreciate some of the creative sneakers, but the colors are flat, oversaturated, and match almost nothing. A total color overhaul into less saturated options, and leaving them mod for slight tinting that often makes the difference between clash and match, would go miles toward making Cult shoes more useful.

      • smh says

        11/21/2021 at 7:49 pm

        I’m not a fan of the pants but I know plenty of girls who are. everything isnt for everyone. I wear his shoes almost daily and have no problem, but I also mostly only wear black lol. granted, most of his work is pointed at the goth/dark-style crowd, so heavy colors work just fine. but the fact that he only sells in fatpacks that are always less than 1k linden, and he constantly has stuff on sale is what makes him my go-to.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/22/2021 at 11:12 am

        If you only wear black shoes, I really don’t need to tell you how basic you are. You already know. His fatpacks would be a great bargain if they were actually usable as fatpacks, but when the only colors that are useful are black and white, it means his shoes are really only worth buying in the weekend sales.

      • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

        11/23/2021 at 1:22 pm

        He’s a racist turd. Try that again?

  58. Toxicwater says

    11/21/2021 at 12:45 pm

    Oh, seems like the photoshop lesson from last week didn’t take place. While last week was readable, this week’s secrets are barely readable again.

  59. Hood Kermit says

    11/21/2021 at 12:41 pm

    #40 Nobody cares about this place and its diaper wearing troll crowd.

    • Shelby says

      11/21/2021 at 1:33 pm

      How you know if there diaper wearing people there?

      • Hood Kermit says

        11/21/2021 at 7:48 pm

        It’s common knowledge, genius. Place has been around for years and so has the drama circulating around it.

      • Your mother says

        11/21/2021 at 7:56 pm

        you never went to that place? in the sky area they have a skybox with game tables with pictures of children in diapers and RL children

    • Stop Capping says

      11/23/2021 at 12:02 am

      Crazy went to that sim today. Didn’t see one kid in a diaper. Also went to the game area like Shelby said all I saw was games. Amazing how 90% of what’s posted on here is a lie!

  60. Thatonechick says

    11/21/2021 at 12:37 pm

    To whomever made 21: THANK YOU!!!

  61. Your moms nuts 🥜 says

    11/21/2021 at 12:35 pm

    3. Woodland looks like a turkeys 🦃 asshole

    • Y'all are BIG DUMB says

      11/21/2021 at 2:29 pm

      lol

  62. smh says

    11/21/2021 at 12:32 pm

    2 – from the context of the rest of the chat in your screenshot, it seems pretty obvious they were asking to HONOR A REQUEST that the person made… which was clearly to mind the language used. this is not an outlandish request, get a clue.
    4 – creators/designers can and will charge whatever they feel their time and effort is worth. Even if that bag was premade or purchased animations, there is still work involved with rigging, texturing, scripting, etc. 700L is 3usd. If you can’t afford it, then you don’t need it.
    9 – thank you
    31 – this needs to be posted every week
    32 – you’re part of the problem. how about you learn how to be supportive and help someone make better choices. dumb fucks like you are the reason mental health is on the decline. you’re a terrible friend and you should take your own advice.
    41 – VS needs more posts like this
    50 – what’s the name of your store so I can check out how AMAZING your work is? oh you don’t have one? interesting………
    54 – lovely. thank you.
    55 – literally every breedable/farming/etc system

  63. just another pretty face says

    11/21/2021 at 12:13 pm

    #18: I couldn’t even read the giant novel because I was too focused on the background with water marks all over it. Kind of puts anything you were talking about on the back burner.

    • okay says

      11/21/2021 at 1:21 pm

      no kidding, I was reading it and I’ve heard of so many Lel users that have issues with the head and that not all lel make-up works on every lel head. Catwa has released a free HD Head, but who cares if she does or doesn’t do a sale I still find her heads easy to use it just sucks that no creators do anything for catwa heads anymore.

      • sweetjesusmakeitstop says

        11/21/2021 at 2:44 pm

        I would much rather she focused on making a-good- head again[ looking at you disastrous HD attempts], as opposed to giving out free shit ones.

      • Refreshing Glass of Bogwater says

        11/22/2021 at 10:36 am

        Honestly, most folks that have issues with LeL Evo heads either haven’t read any of the info or refuse to try to get help for them. as for the makeup not working, that’s largely on the creator making it but also partially due to the fact that you can actually get distinct looks and shapes out of a single head. Catwa heads look the same on every single person wearing the same head. I can spot a Catya a mile away. Three people with different shapes could be wearing Fleur and I wouldn’t be able to tell for sure.

        Don’t get me started on Catwa’s garbage HUDs either.

      • Be Less Ignorant, Please says

        11/22/2021 at 11:20 am

        The people you hear that from are dummies who don’t know how to read vendors or try demos; there are 3 generations of Lel heads, if you can’t bother to read about what you’re buying, yes you’re going to make mistakes. Catwa heads are definitely not any easier to use; I owned and used several, back when they were the best option. That’s just what you’re used to, and you’re either too dim or too lazy to learn something new. I’d lay odds you still wear Catya, and have never really tried anything else.

      • WhatIsYourDamageHeather says

        11/23/2021 at 1:31 pm

        No creators do Catwa work anymore? None? Are you SURE?

  64. Major Yikes says

    11/21/2021 at 12:10 pm

    #6 Unlike the ones with awful to no customer service at all: Nova fka Little Bones, Aii, Ricielli, S0ng.

    • sweetjesusmakeitstop says

      11/21/2021 at 2:43 pm

      don’t forget to add MOVE Cologne to this list- dances purchased and paid for, no dances, customer service contacted over a month ago, radio silence.

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