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I made this in reply to someone down in the comments but I’ll sticky it so every can see it:
If all you people who hate virtual-secrets got together and put the sum of 20,000 dollars in a paypal to Lourdes and I, then we would remove this site. We’ve already mentioned the sum 10,000, but I’m tired of reading long walls of text and m’lady bullshit so I upped the ante some. You guys all gofundme for con artists and bullshit new computers – you *really* want virtual-secrets gone – money talks, bullshit walks. It’s as simple as that.
The reality is that no one WANTS it gone. Or else they’d have started up a fund already. Also, we aren’t paying gofundme fees so make the total plus whatever those fees are. Just sayin’
Until then, virtual-secrets – everyone’s Sunday guilty pleasure.
Doesn’t matter if this site is bought out to be closed. A new one with different founders will just be made. People can’t help being nasty behind anonymity. If you are too butthurt over the contents of SL secrets, then joke’s on you.
Well, I will confess to being rather obsessed with this little weekly guilty pleasure. I find human nature fascinating, and more than once I’ve been immensely amused by some of what gets said here. I don’t much care about the relationship issues, either, because it’s really none of my business who is sleeping with whom and why, and as RespectYourCustomers said, it’s all very high-school; and the weekly accusations of pedophilia make me wonder just what is wrong with these people that they’re seeing pedos everywhere. I mean really… if you don’t like child avis and you think this stuff is going on everywhere, why are YOU there to see it? Makes one wonder.
Overall, though, I find this site amusing, and I especially get a good laugh when people downvote rational, well-stated comments. I would miss it if it ever disappeared.
Could not have worded it better
I dont know why people complain aobut this site being here, free country right? (wherever you are). If they dont like the site, then they don’t have to read it. They could be adult about the whole situation but most are not. Do I agree with everything on here? No. I dont get into the relationship drama stuff, because it’s very high school. But I”m not going to tell you to take it down, it’s your site not mine and if I didnt like it I would just stop reading. People are ridiculous.
If somebody did try to raise that money i’m quite sure a counter offer would be done to keep virtual-secrets up & running with much better luck because virtual-secrets is too damn funny and we need our Sunday guilty pleasure
My nephew was telling me about this and the people behind it, was quite interesting to hear his take on it . From what was mooted, was a few on that list blame SL secrets for posting it in the first place and want SL secrets down because of it, that the whole thing was a set up against last weeks rumble in regard to the racist accusation in the pageant issues. In some ways, I do feel maybe in hindsight, that should never have been posted as it was very salty and deliberately posted a few times in relation to the same people/group. That and no real reasons on why the poster was upset. I am not saying anyone should do anything, but I do feel the poster should come back and explain why they posted what they did . At least it would allow him/ her the opportunity to explain themselves and why they wrote about Number 6. If of course these are said people who wanted SL secrets down.
I like SL secrets, I seen some bad things here but also some good come out of it for various people. As long as whats being said is not true and not a fabrication made by SL secret owners as is suggested .
We have no idea who those people are. Both Lourdes and I are what would be considered oldbies now, but by our standards we are not even near oldbies. We don’t have to make up stuff – the public makes it. The rules haven’t changed since 2012 or so when I was starting up this domain and I did a poll asking for the rules. The rules stated : anything goes as long as it’s SL related. If you believe every secret that is ever submitted you have mental problems. The ones starring in these secrets need to concern themselves with their “friends”
Its not an issue of just being old. I’ve never liked SL facebook. SL facebook is super ghetto its like being in a run down housing project compared to Plurk. Half the chicks over there are wiggas and they talk so ghetto even I can’t understand them. I just can’t get down with that segment.
But I do want to say I appreciate the love that SL Facebook has given us. Thank you.
True. I don’t even keep SL accounts on my FB. (rarely I still have a few from back when) SL FB is a different world. Makes plurk look like Disneyland.
At the very least we’re being honest. You all can be conned out of $5k for some dumb bitch’s driving lessons. So it should be possible to raise an honest $20k to make something so vile and disgusting go away.
But as Kess said we all know you don’t really want us gone.
I can see 3 people are too broke to donate.
I’ve taken a closer look at #6 because it’s causing a stir here and privately.
1. The secret says SL pedophile and/or age player. Clearly they are speaking of SL and not RL. So if you are RPing a child predator and the other person is RPing a child victim, yes that’s some fucked up RP, but it’s not illegal. It’s no more illegal than rape sims, beasty sims or any other thing ok in SL but illegal in RL. Of course this is all contingent on both people being adults. Though I do think gambling is an exception to this. If there are others let me know.
2. Let me know if I wrong on this guys. None of the names listed are RL names. They are all SL avatars.
Conclusion: Some of you are crying bloody murder and threatening to log into your e-lawyers because someone accused your SL avatar of role-playing a pedophile and/or engaging in age-play role play.
Take a step back and think. Have you reached the point where you can’t tell the difference between RL and SL. In your mind is your avatar a RL person? If so it’s time to get some help.
I will add my paltry opinion to this conversation as it pertains to the entire context of what your work entails. M’Dear, I have said before, that in your occupation (far be it for me to determine what one might call it by name) you have a line from which to cross that places not only those in question in harms way but you as well from a legal standpoint. I have no proverbial “horse in the game” but I shall say this; that you clearly must know that you are treading dangerously in waters that even you have no clue. I think you are smart. I also think you are quite versed in the complexities of the law that comprise these agendas. Perhaps you are even in the law/legal field, who knows. Regardless of this, whilst sipping tea are you oblivious to a sense of decency in that actual lives are at stake. Yes, real lives. Second Life has changed greatly over the years in that now many do share their identity willingly and with pride. Despite your warnings and risk aversion lectures I know a number of people that feel no issue with extending a loving hand to those in an open manner of trust. It may be naive – it may not. Who are we to judge? But for you to preach that “it’s their fault for sharing” is even more naive. Even if foolish, often it’s not, everyone is entitled to make a mistake in revealing themselves. And it only takes one person to know the real life details of another to do harm. More so, everyone is entitled to a worthy justice for which SL Secrets I must sadly say is not a court of law. My point is this, to allow someone to call… Read more »
1. Kess and I do this as a hobby for entertainment. And to provide entertainment to others.
2. Our RL identifies are not a secret. Do you think we would do this and be defenseless if someone comes after us IRL over this site?
3. We’ve been doing this for almost 10 years. Do you really think we don’t know how far to let things go? Do you really think we aren’t protecting ourselves legally? Do you really think we are doing this completely ignorant?
4. Once again we run into the problem of RL vs SL and knowing the difference. Think about this. So for #6 the author of the secret or one of you so indignant about it, decides to go to law enforcement with their list of avatar names. They report that in a virtual world some adult avatars are engaging in pedophilia and/or age play role-play with a child avatar that is an adult IRL. Feel free to go test that out. Let us know how that goes.
As someone elsewhere has stated age play is a bannable offense in SL. Yet LL allows age players to run wild and have sims and venues all over the grid. Do you think LL is ignorant of where they stand legally also?
I think the only one being naive here is you. In daily life and practice the line between RL and SL is blurred sometimes. When it comes to the law it’s very well defined. For you it appears it doesn’t extend as far as you like. But posting here with warnings won’t change that. Try writing to your congress person or local law makers if you truly want to see things go how you wish they would. I wish you luck.
Actually I asked an investigator in law enforcement this exact question: in a virtual world some adult avatars are engaging in pedophilia and/or age play role-play with a child avatar that is an adult in real life. You know what they did? Laughed. Second, there has to be an actual victim. So they aren’t even making child pornography. Keep in mind I asked a bunch of off shoots of this very question and there’s more details, I’m just spinning the highlights reel.
Blimey, please stop with your m’lady shit. Seriously, stop. It gives me a headache. Otherwise, your comments, albeit tl;dr, are well written.
I actually said the same thing, to someone on FB. That there needs to be an actual victim, that a lot of these RL laws cannot cross into SL. If it pertains to an avatar.
If it pertains to a child avatar that is puppeted by an actual underage person then it can be considered child pornography. Clarifying that.
The problem with number 6 is that there is supposed “proof” but no proof is provided. I suspect that there is a bit of score settling going on with that, and that is not right.
I agree with Theodoric. I kind of hope though that if there is a list next week or thereafter, that is as salty and un-corroborated as the first one, that it does not make the post list. I love gossip as much as anyone but I think if there is a post to be made, you do it with the info that bugs you on the person/ people. Some people abuse SL Secrets, lets be honest. That post along with others was a clear case of score settling, that’s not what this site is or should be about.
Ms. Denimore, You have my utmost respect as indirectly stated in my original comment. You have well displayed your knowledge of the law and your particular purpose with this site over the years. I would never argue that you mostly position yourself on that line admirably. Quite, I think that most take it for that what you say, baseless entertainment that is tabloid at best. As you fully know though the American legal system, bless it, is one that is not so much based on justice as about “who has the most money.” I am sure you have proper representation and if you press them for your vulnerabilities with this website no legal professional worth a grain of salt will tell you that you are completely without risk. It just takes one. One person with a healthy coffer who was grossly affected in real life due to an accusation of something as destructive as pedophilia or any sort of abuse. This is not about win or lose. The system is about who can create more legal difficulties for you over time and tug at your own coffers with thousands of hours of legal fees accrued in a discovery process. You might be protected. You might not depending on how the wind blows. But you certainly will be spending a great deal of money to defend against a plaintiff of means. Or paying something in a settlement to avoid said costs. I am of belief where you are indeed protected is by allowing people to post their “personal opinions” of another here. But there is a hazy liability if you carry out the act of approving someone (as posts must be administered by you unlike comments) to post accusations of an illegal nature that could, in theory, trickle into real life… Read more »
they hardly have anything to worry about. A defamation suit without proof of harm/damage or proof of a false statement will be hard to prove, and would be thrown out of court, especially since those names are (what I assume) are sl names, and not actual RL names.
I am sure there are many who share your dreams of this site being taken down. Kess and I being destroyed financially and living as paupers. From your point of view it sounds truly glorious. So I’ll let you continue with your mental masturbation.
Meanwhile in the real world…
#6 stays unless it is determined it breaks a law in the real world.
Allow me to Ollie those last few paragraphs for you….”Dayum… you gonna get sued for deformation bish!”……”Na…. not even”…. the end.
oooh she getting mad now, calm down beauty qween. you can tell she’s just mad that everyone knows she’s the bullshit op
On the contrary, M’lady. I have no horse in the race. No care in the world. I enjoy like most coming here for the stuttering hilarity of baseless opinions and a dash of stripper drama. You asked above in the original post for thoughts. There now, you have mine. As I said, if this work brings you pleasure than godspeed. Now, about breaking the law? This has nothing to do with breaking the law. Your local Tesco did not necessarily “break a law” when a person fell in the store on grapes. Breaking the law and a perception of negligence are two different things entirely. Follow the money. Laws are a business for which money shall mostly determine the outcome in the form of a nice tasty settlement.
Why good day Blimey, I to enjoy virtual-secrets for much of the same reason, specially the comments. Yours have been quite exhilarating thus far. But may I introduce you to the “Paragraph”? It is a wonderful thing and you should definitely trade in your”Wall’oText” for; Yes?
You have a lot of interesting points that bring a great light upon the matter at hand. But, much to my dismay, they are rather hard to decipher without reading glasses and going over them at least twice due the lack in familiarity with the “Paragraph” who I might add is a good chap and also graces everything from legal paperwork to children’s books.
What you have said and what you have yet to speak upon is important and I wouldn’t want anyone to miss such enlightened words due to the glassing over of eyes as a side effect of “Wall’oText”. So, please take a moment to get to know “Paragraph” maybe over some tea and crumpets. 😀
Seriously people, no REAL LIFE NAMES were used. Only SL personas. You can love or hate SL Secrets, but the site owners are not the ones to blame for the perverted bs that occurs in SL and is reported on here. They simply are providing an outlet for people to post things. If a person uses their SL name on FB and ties it to RL information then that is their fault for leading people to figure out who they are in RL. It is not the fault of SL secrets.
It’s called SL secrets, not Facebook secrets. There is no SL-Facebook, just people who create accounts that tie in with SL. If the OP uses names from FB accounts how do they know it’s not a real life name? I think that’s pretty risky in itself. This list is shitty, but veers from technicically being an “SL-based post” when Facebook names are being used.
Wow Someoneinsl, we agree on something at last 😛
At least one person on that list is listed by their facebook name, not their SL name. So whomever made this secret did not pull all the names from secondlife but went through facebook and picked people.
Is their FB name their RL name?
Marcus’ name as listed is his RL name, not his SL name. he uses that name on FB but not in SL. The FB profile is full of SL content though, so anyone could make the connection.
But it does strongly suggest that the person who made this is just going through facebook and pulling names out their ass. Wait for part 2, I bet it will contain the names of people who happened to be friends with those in part 1 on facebook.
It is against the SL TOS to be a child avatar and partake in age play. It does not matter if the person controlling the kid avatar is an adult in rl, the point is the actual act of being a child avatar and partaking in age play is a violation of the TOS and a banneable offense.
a name on a list doesnt prove age play…which is the point…its a gossip site.. google what gossip is.. until theres a pic of the naughtiness happening…. its called heresay
5.3 We may terminate your Account(s) to protect the best interests of the Service and the community or if we believe you pose an unacceptable risk to the community. – We may terminate your Account(s) if we learn, or in good faith believe, that you are a registered sex offender, that accessing the Service may violate a condition of parole or probation, that you have engaged in or attempted to engage in conduct with minors on the Service that violates this Agreement, or that you for any other reason may pose what we deem to be an unacceptable risk to the Service community.
I would dearly love to know whereabouts in the TOS that being a child avatar and partaking in age play is a violation of the TOS, because if so why hasn’t Linden Labs removed said kid avatars?
Check here: https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/second-life-terms-and-conditions
Now scroll down to this section: 4. CONDUCT BY USERS OF SECOND LIFE
Now see this paragraph:
(vii) If you are an adult, impersonate a minor for the purpose of interacting with a minor using Second Life, or stalk, harass, or engage in any sexual, suggestive, lewd, lascivious, or otherwise inappropriate conduct with minors on Second Life, or attempt to contact or meet with such minor outside Second Life, including without limitation electronically or physically, if you have reason to know or Second Life concludes that you should have known you were interacting with a minor on Second Life, or otherwise engage in any conduct that violates our Teen Safety Guidelines;
(viii) Post, display or transmit any material, object or text that encourages, represents, or facilitates sexual “age play,” i.e., using child-like avatars in a sexualized manner. This activity is grounds for immediate termination. You may review our full Age Play Policy here. You understand and agree that we may report any and all such incidents — and any and all of your corresponding personal information — to any authorities we deem appropriate, whether or not it in and of itself violates the law of your (or any) jurisdiction; or
Someoneinsl , you also missed a lot of valuable statements such as …
Child avatars are allowed within Second Life.[1] A child avatar, even within a mature or adult region (but not participating in adult (in this case, sexual) ) activities is allowed. A child avatar is allowed do everything any other avatar is, with the following exceptions:
Note that child avatars are allowed on PG, Mature, and even Adult public parcels, provided with the latter that they are adult verified. Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired. The allowance of child avatars on adult rated land such as Zindra does not invalidate any of the above rules.
Now…. how many people break this rule everyday when people are being assholes and throwing kids off adult rated lands where Madpea hunts and other clearly regulated PG and moderate activity goes on? How many adults are breaking the rules not adhering to this?
Yes this point ” Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired.” is the one that’s regularly misused because the land owner pays the bill. Now… thats ok because the person who wishes their own rules is granted but does not detract from them being a complete prat when they do , throwing off people because of short termed opinions
Your arguments all point to sex and nothing about the whole approach to kid avvies, it is literally a train with one one stop and you don’t even stop at that >.<
Someone’s obsession with kids and sex really worries me tbh.
Keyword here being -sexual- age play.
It just seem like a lot of people can’t deal with the fact that some adults just want to role play a baby/toddler/teen/etc. for entirely non-sexual reasons and just blanket judges all non-adult avatars as sexual roleplayers which is so incredibly silly it boggles the mind. Not everything in SL is sex.
TL;DR – Playing a kid isn’t against the TOS, engaging is sexual relations as/with one is.
Really Someone? Both of those are rules about S E X U A L situations involving minors or the depiction of minors.
SEXUAL.
Roleplaying a child avatar isn’t a sexual act the same as having a dog avatar doesn’t mean you’re into bestiality. I really think *you* need therapy.
@ Someoneinsl But you just said several times over several posts, you would ban kids because of the chosen few who do that, to therefore you are blanket banning and accusing people of something regardless of doing it. As i said to you before over and over, there are serious implications on your train of thought which is not only questionable, its moronic. There is things going on in the world like racial hatred that are not even bannable in SL, which cause more emotional hurt than anything else you have rattled on about . So you saying we should also have a ban for anyone thats asian, black etc. So what, we also ban people before they turn to an ethnicity other people don’t like?
IMO anyone that’s against any person who derides what they play in SL would find issue in other things, not just the one thing. So to me , I find you not only disgusting, I also find your logic questionable who would turn at anyone in Sl for anything you regard as horrible personally. That goes for kid avvies or otherwise and that is a toxic train of thought and not one that people need in SL. I would also ban you openly .
@Someoneinsl It may be a bannable offense but it’s one that has to be proven and well, just claiming someone is doing this means nothing when there is no proof to back it up! Also, quite often the “child avi” in these claims isn’t a child avi at all but is actually just a short avi because heaven forbid they aren’t 10 ft tall. Maybe you need some tea? I have some peach-pear fusion tea right now it’s quite refreshing 🙂
I am waiting for Someoneinsl to tell me her name, so I can meet her in Sl on some random G rated sim to report her for indecent exposure, when her clothes don’t rez and her tits are in my face . Cause you know… dem rules and all LOL . 😀
Get real. Many of the people who play SL associate themselves with their SL name. Why do you think so many people (even myself) post anonymously here? Because they don’t want the backlash. Why would anyone want their name mixed up in this shit?
The point I am making is the people are trying to bring RL implications into this. That is fine if you don’t want your virtual rep ruined by these types of accusations. It’s like trying to get someone arrested for rape or assult that occured in SL.
thats because a lot of weirdos think sl is a social media site…. this proves its a game but they still want to fight over it.. yes u can meet friends and whatever….. u can do the same on the sims.. crazy people have to make everysite that has chat available a dating site.. its not tinder or any of those sites… because if it were (to the crazies who find love everywhere).. u wouldnt be portrayed by a perfect avatar… you’d be playing yourself with a picture of yourself.. thinking you will find love when the image ppl see when you speak to them is ass backwards if its not ur real mug. sl is a game… this site is for fun… learn how to play games and have fun xD
kesseret you are worst than Flat earthers… your entire person and Lourdes ,ofc… are pure poison, … all comes back, its natural.
The person who submitted #6 is enticing drama as is evidenced by the tread responses. What a dummy.
The person’s who submitted #20 & #24 are complete morons!
OMG there are a couple plus my usual haters that just do not get SL at all ~ child avi’s do not, should not have to explain why to anyone they want to be a child in SL ~ same goes for those that want to be a horse, or a man who is a female in RL or vice versus ~ those that want to RP BDSM , Warriors or those that believe in GOR ~ who the fuck cares what anyone wants to be in SL are you paying their tiers, or subsidizing SL for them…are child avi’s stalking you or harming you in anyway with the exception that you cannot stand the baby talk or whatever ~ there is a mute button there for a reason, you can derender them to your hearts content or block them whichever. Just like this site you do not have to come here each week you can choose not to; yet here are the haters that has to tear someone down because God forbid they go against your grain and are not hurting anyone. Am not big on child avi’s as maybe I do not understand the need to be one but am not gonna pitch a fit and say HOLY shit lets ban all those little fuckers right now because we all know each of them are just here to have SEX – do you truly see how insane that is. SL was created to be a 3d social platform where you can BE anything you want a horse, a child, a hooker, dancer, dj and the list goes on and whatever happens between them and whoever if they are not hurting you or trying to con you out of lot of money for some RL fake shit what the… Read more »
ooh I know to all those that truly hate this site MAYBE just maybe you need to hold a charity event get all these designers that helped out Ms Con Artist herself and call it “LETS SHUT DOWN SL SECRETS” least then they get something for their $$$ ~ now isnt that a good idea to hold a close down EVENT?
Love how the anon jus posted a bunch of names and threw “ageplay” aggressively towards their names. Probably someone who had a fallout or beef with them.
I can’t handle y’all when you act like LL’s TOS is law. If you violate TOS, you’re not going to get arrested, unless it just so happened to also be illegal in your state, country, etc. Quit acting stupid.
Proven age players? I’d love to see the “proof” that the person has. I suspect they have no proof whatsoever and that it is just baseless slander.
Exactly.
And if there is infact proof; pictures of the dirty deeds as chatlogs can be fabricated much easier and the poster(s) have had days to type up/alter chats, of the accused in the act of sexual ageplay but the individuals are still on Second Life, then it wasn’t reported then and there like it should have been.
Which leads me to believe that the poster(s) willingly took part in or condoned the activities at the time the alleged actions of the accused but then a fight or something there of happened which caused the individual(s) to scream ageplay.
A tactic we’ve seen and heard about in Real Life where someone sleeps with someone (usually a celebrity) and then gets into a disagreement and next thing someone is screaming rape and false accusations.
Now before people get upset, I’m not downplaying or making light of actual rape cases. Just those cry wolf situations out of anger or jealousy or to blackmail.
So proof likely won’t surface as it will likely incriminate the poster(s) / commenters as well then goodbye anonymity.
Yes that’s it exactly, the people who do post these things are often in the thick of it. It was as it was seen, a salty post where someone was having a tantrum . Saying that bad shit don’t come from nowhere, said that here already before. If they have sense they will use this as a way to conclude their own dramas and not to blame for it.
19 – I don’t know…based on image head shot you used, I would want to do a collab with them…unique face…anyone else?
I strongly recommend that you take down number 6 and 23 at the very least, if not all of these posts that are harassment. Especially if you have been requested by anyone to do so. Internet harassment is a real thing. You may claim that these are about SL avatar names and not real people, but clearly you don’t understand that an SL name and avatar are just like an e-mail address, an online game login, or a facebook login name. They are what we use to log into an internet program hence a “login name” or a “sign in name”. We are still real people behind the login names and 3d models that we choose to depict us. Because they aren’t our real names, or our real pictures, doesn’t make the names or avatars any less US behind the screen. Just like it’d be for a celeb or any random ragtag person who doesn’t use their real name for a login. You’re smart enough to grasp that no intelligent person uses their real name in their e-mail address, or gamer logins, etc. Do you think that means that some crazy person harassing or slandering someone via email, video game or facebook doesn’t get taken seriously? I can promise you that there are cyber stalkers who have harassed famous people on the net on platforms that they enjoy using who absolutely ARE taken seriously in a legal manner. Many of them are doing time in jail now. If you really believe that you’re “safe” with your broken logic, I guarantee that you are grossly mistaken, and frankly, I think you’re all talk really, and I somewhat hope that you continue to take this lightly. I think it scared you enough when people started talking legality (as it ought to have… Read more »
A. I think you are living life through your avatar. On Facebook, why do you think so many second life accounts get reported or deleted. They are marked as a fake account or an account not representing a real person or not a real name, Esp if they see Resident. Trust me, they take them down. You seem so engrossed in on-line worlds. Stop living life as your avatar. One last thing, other games have sites like this, some are called burn books, and they have been around for years. Stop substituting an online character for a real person.
And one more thing…ffs will you people please stop offering your unsolicited legal and moral advice to the owners of this site. How many times does she have to repeat herself?! They’ve had this site up for a really long time now. This isn’t the first time a post has sparked a lot of debate and questions in the areas of legality, and I’m gonna bet it’s not going to be the last time either. So do yourself a favor, and if all you’re going to do is wag your finger at the owners and warn them about legal ramifications, remind the rest of us what horrible people we all are, even though you’re sitting here right along with the rest of us, reading all this shit….just stop! Don’t waste yours or our time.
BRAVO Devil! Well said and gawd am like I missed all this but you caught me up quicker than having to scroll and read and why shoot the messengers, which are clearly Kess & Lourdes why not do a witch hunt on whoever you are accusing and take it to the authorities if you are so worried that they are violating the law or oooh I know why not whoever is accusing who send PROOF to Linden Labs and let them handle it instead of this ongoing crapfest belittling 2 people that obviously have no knowledge in whoever you are accusing.
Apparently one of the people listed on #6 has a lawyer looking at it who speciliases in internet crimes. I cant wait to hear if a crime has been committed which i highly doubt.
Are you attempting to make the site owners worry? Too funny
I wish that money would be better spent on taking Linden Labs to court over the numerous fraud and slander that goes on in there , often in closed circles but yet just as powerful. I think the whole age play report system is an abused system as it stands. Better they get the lawyers to push to remove that, then salty posts such as went on would not exist. As nobody would care and it would no longer be the weapon over people that they abuse. I doubt a crime has been committed but I think certainly the whole age play report system is one they could contest and successfully too, if they got together and hired a lawyer to take it on.
Read the TOS. There’s information there on taking Linden Lab to court. There’s been many times they’ve been taken to court and how does it end? Lots of money spent by the users and Linden Lab still does what they want.
I can think of 3 major ones off the top of my head. 1. Land case back in the 2006ish era 2. Not sure of the timeperiod but it involved permabanning (I remember stumbling on that one and realizes exactly how much Linden Lab logs, very interesting and 3. Stroker et al.
#2 especially was a major slap down. If I recall correctly it established in virtual worlds and even gaming: that you are the bitch of the game owners they can do what they want within the laws of their country and there isn’t shit you can do about it. That’s the rough summary. Even the fact that LL can confiscate every single one of your lindens at any time with no reason and there isn’t shit you can do about. Lindens have RL monetary value that they establish without that your lindens aren’t shit. So yeah it also set the stage for how virtual currency is viewed even when you can cash it out for RL money.
Surprisingly, I managed to make it through that wall of text. Here’s a Cliff Notes version for you guys:
Take down #6 & 23..blah blah blah…something about internet harassment…blah blah…then something about jail time, legal fees, more warnings (I’m not entirely sure, I may have fallen asleep part way through)…oh and then this, which I am REALLY confused about.
“Also, I think you and those hateful intolerant people using this site are vile, repugnant, deplorable, disgusting, nothing but trash, humans with nothing better to do with your lives than incite drama and spread gossip.”
*scratches head* So uhm….why are YOU even here then? You’re clearly so much more superior than the rest of us vile, repugnant, deplorable, disgusting, nothing but trash humans that are here, so why dirty yourself with the likes of us? Oh that’s right. Because you have an opinion you’d like to share. Well as the saying goes…opinions are like assholes, so I guess that makes each and everyone of us here an asshole then. Welcome to the club A! 🙂
I love it lol telling everyone how nasty they are to be here yet…..Here they are lolol and thanks for the summary because hell no was i gonna read through that.
Thanks, Devil! I appreciate your commentary here, I hope you stay.
My pleasure Kesseret! No worries, I’ll be sticking around. This is too much fun! I feel like part of the family. But…not an age play family though. You know, cause…that’d be SO gross, not to mention against Linden’s TOS!! 😉
You can speak as freely as anyone else here. But I think it would helpful if you learned to use paragraphs. People tend to TL;DR walls of text.
Yeah…..I read three lines the said fuck this and scrolled along lol
#4 is hard to read but that’s some funny shit. This dude is a douchebag. He jumped in my girls box one night flirting with her n shit. Didnt fucking care that she was taken. Its guys like this idiot that give us real men a bad name.
Regarding #4….I have heard all these things first hand and even experienced some of this behavior myself. Fact is that he does not care how he treats women. He did not respect my rl marriage and he would not accept just friendship. Honestly it is just as well because I do not need that kind of friend in SL.
# 21. Happy Easter Valley and family! Thank you for the Easter cheer.
People in Sl just need to learn to mind there own business an enjoy there own Sl. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. unless there directly effecting you there is no reason to care. I like the 2 false age play images. One is a cactus not a sex toy. the other just shows an adult holding a child avi. Nothing is breaking the TOS or illegal in either image. If you were walkin down the street in rl an see a man on his front porch holding a child on his lap is the 1st thing you do is to take a pic an call the police an assume hes a pedo ? These are just people looking to create drama for there own enjoyment. They go an say people behind kid avis need help. If your that bored to were you have nothing better to do then create drama for others then you need just as much help. Sl is a fantasy world, there going to be things that everyone dont agree with. If we banned everything that people report just because they dont like it, there would be nothing left here. LL added a feature a few years back in land setting called something like ” Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel”. you know why they added this ? Because drama makers that spent there days camming in people homes an reporting everything there against.
exactly
#16 last week you were bitching about this person, saying you had had him blocked and that you were done with him and how much he screwed you over..yet you never had him blocked… and then this week you are all I love you and maybe one day we will be together… make up your damn mind and get over it . Ps you should have just signed your name we know who it’s about.
I’m honestly surprised none of the spanking sims made it onto the ageplay list. I’ve definitely seen some sketchy shit around those.
#16 maybe you should not have been drinking tequila last week when u put my boy on blast.
The prophecy will be fulfilled soon. The Lelutka uprising is coming!
Have you taken your meds lately? Lol
i never thought id do it.. but im with sammy on this 1. .lmao
#3 The real losers at Loseria are “Dommes” with nothing but time on their hands…steady trying to figure out other people’s tips and where they’re coming from. I get a lot of the secrets, something personal happened and a feeling got hurt – but this is clearly “I’m watching your jar because nothing is going on in mine and that must mean that you’re doing something wrong.” When you’re busy being successful, you don’t have time to worry about what everyone else is doing, it’s as simple as that.
Competing for “stats” at Loseria is startlingly sad. I respect Tiny Empires rankings far more, and you don’t even have to waste time with the broke and the depraved to get them.
I’m basically here to clear up the Kid Grid and Richmond Survival Camp, because they don’t deserve these rumors. I’ve been a counselor at RSC all but the first year, and the owners and volunteers work their ASS off to make camp a free, fun experience for over 150 kids for a week. There is no age play. There are child-appropriate activities, kids are not allowed to voice, etc. The Kid grid is similar – a great kid-friendly place to be. Behavior is held to a high standard, and if anyone saw anything risqué, I’m sure they would report it directly to the Numbers instead of posting some bullshit on virtual-secrets. So, please your rumors elsewhere and have a coffee and nice conversation in RL, because you must have some childish anger issues to work out.
Can we get back to whore-bashing?
A lot of people aren’t going to like what I have to say, but Ima say it anyways. Everyone is all in an uproar over this “pedophile/age play” list but honestly…so fucking what!?! Unless these people have actively participated in some type of sexual act with an ACTUAL child, it’s not really pedophilia. Age play..yes. But that doesn’t necessarily make that person a “pedophile”. Look, let’s be honest people. A majority (if not ALL) of us in SL, come here to do things we can’t do in RL and to play out fantasies. I’m not just talking about sexual fantasies either, so before you fuckers scream “why does it always have to be about sex?!” let me stop you right there. SL is a platform that we all love because the only limit to what you can create or do, is your imagination. I think it’s safe to say that a majority of the people in SL are adults, yes? So of course there is going to be just as many sexual fantasies as non-sexual fantasies, being lived out in this world. Fact of SL life….some of these fantasies are going to be what a lot of people will find offensive, gross or disgusting. But that’s just YOUR opinion. If it’s not what you’re into, then no one is forcing you to watch or participate. Mind your business and just move on! Sometimes, the taboo of RP’ing things that aren’t what society deems as “acceptable”, is just a part of the kink a person enjoys. I personally have RP’d a few age play things with a partner before, and I know quite a few others that have confessed to doing it too. It’s WAY more common than you guys think it is, sorry..not sorry. But just because I found it… Read more »
In my country it is illegal to even create a picture of child pornography….I’m pretty sure you can be charged if caught doing ageplay in sl because technically…You’re creating child porn…you do not need to interact with a child here to be in big shit. So it mostly falls on where you live. Js
Ageplay is not sexual ageplay.
Ageplay is anyone pretending to be an age they aren’t.
Sexual ageplay involving children.. yeah that’s the bad stuff you’re talking about, Gimmie.
Ageplay is:
1. When an adult roleplays someone younger than they are
2. When a teen or child roleplays someone older than they are
3. When a teen or child roleplays someone younger than they are
4. When an adult roleplays someone older than they are
5. When anyone portrays themselves and acts as an age they are not
So…
An adult with a child avatar is ageplaying
A teenager with an adult avatar is ageplaying
A 50 year old with a 20 year old avatar is ageplaying
A 20 year old with an avatar who is 50 years old is ageplaying
It’d be nice if people realized ageplay does not automatically mean “Oh my god, that person is a child to have sex”.
i can agree look at Podesta’s home artwork.. throw the word art on it and it becomes ok….. some people tho seriously LOOK for shit to complain about for instance the cactus pic in secrets…i saw the pic and didnt even notice a chair or cactus until reading the posts…. i dont scope for predators .. only ppl who think about that shit all the time are the real sickos.
Supreme Court Justice Stewart’s phrase “I know it when I see it” comes to mind here. Also I believe that people now are more sensitive to this stuff. For example the countless posts/arguments in mom groups over a picture of a dad (or mom) kissing his 4 year old daughter on the lips. In some cultures it’s done – it’s not anything sexual at all, but from an outsider it probably looks weird.
@me So true! and yeah that is a cactus I had to look at that thing for a good 5 min before I could say to mysef “hmm I guess that sorta looks like a dildo but my god it’s a dayum cactus people”.
Maybe it’s a cactus dildo. This is SL after all. :p
Ignore me. I’m just amusing myself, stirring the pot.
*hands Lourdes a stirrer to stir the pot with* Did I mention the stirrer is shaped like a penis? You’re welcome! lol
I was thinking that only in SL would people be cool with a cactus dildo….because they don’t have to feel the spikes lol.
I was thinking if its legit someone probably made it look like a penis as a joke. I’d have bought it for that reason.
Lol well it is a well known fact that anything can be a dildo if you try hard enough so maybe so but I strongly urge to not try this at home >.>
The same person who posted up #6 is probably responsible for the cactus image I’d say. Talk about grasping at straws.
is it age play when a old lady gets botox to look younger? sounds it to me. shrugs
You may not consider it pedophilia but it is a violation of Second Life’s TOS and a banneable offense.
Are you a broken record…?
Lord go take your proof to Linden Labs and be done with it as now you are just getting boooring
Calm your tits. Linden Lab is a reactionary company. They haven’t banned anyone for sexual ageplay in a long time and don’t care about it anymore. They cared in like 2010/11 whenever they enacted that part of the TOS because of some news story.
Like Devil said above. It’s not my thing but if 2 adults wanna roleplay whatever they want in SL so be it. How is it different from husband and wife roleplaying that same scenario in their bedroom?????
With all this talk about a news article I actually got curios as to what it was and what was the “legal implications” then also what was done about it… So I actually looked it up and found it along with a follow up report done by CNN. Even though there is talk about it happening in 2009-2011 here; the major conspiracy theory of pedophiles in SL actually started in 2007. From what I understand it was a huge scandal about a place called “Wonderland” where child looking avis were engaging in prostitution. This lead to the RL fear of were these avis really controlled by people over 18 and/or were RL pedophiles using SL as a way to connect and share RL child pornography with each other. Also it was a huge concern that would their fantasies from SL leak out to them committing RL crimes. here are the links: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/11/02/pedophile-playground-discovered-in-second-life-virtual-world.html If my memory serves me here (couldn’t find any news articles on this).. there was also a 2nd wave of fear that hit the RL community over SL pedophilia where they thought the pedophiles were making child avis to use “wolf in sheep’s clothing” as a way to hunt for victims that were children in RL to then groom and entice them into a real world encounter Now, the overall theme here is RL government/law enforcement does not care about 2 adults getting “kinky” on the computer. What they do care about is if there is a RL child victim and/or RL laws being broken . And as far as LL’s involvement it originally was the implement of “proof of age” and the amendments to the TOS for child avis I think came later with the 2nd scare I mentioned above, They too also don’t care about this… Read more »
You’ve got the story about Wonderland that the news gave out. The people that ran Wonderland were involved in other industries in SL and some of us got to know them well. They were assholes. Claimed they were Autistic. That autism was evolution and shouldn’t be researched to find out ways to alleviate/cure symptoms to make people with autism have a better quality of life. The husband was involved in the bug fixing/coding/client reverse engineering side (that group of people) and the wife was involved in the fashion industry. In fact through a SL bug that her husband knew about, she was able to replicate a designers items and give them away. It was a big drama. Particularly because these items were being sold to benefit an autism group. I wish I hadn’t have disabled Shopping Cart Disco, they had all this drama on that site. receipts: (Note it references SCD) http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/02/laynie-link-vs.html and more http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/7382-lalinda-lovell-child-sex-content.html I myself have had run-ins with Lalinda. Her husband and mine knew eachother (My husband was big into fixing SL bugs – in 2007 he was awarded a Linden award for Bug Hunter, so he spent a LOT of time doing that) and I’m not sure if this was related to Laynie (she was a friend of mine at the time) he discovered the bug used to get her wares and he fixed it. Well Lalinda one day showed up on my sim (a private Sandbox that was available to the public) and dropped a metric-shit ton of child pornography on prims. I am not talking about SL child pornography – I am talking about THE REAL DEAL. Of course I reported it then returned it all to her. Linden Lab did jack shit about the issue – her husband was an asset to Linden… Read more »
Wow! they sound like a piece of work … Thanks for the extra info on what that all was. I guess I’ve been lucky thus far to never have crossed paths with those 2.
I think in the UK, one of the issues pertaining to the laws is as follows … The offence is targeted at non-photographic images (this includes computer generated images (CGI’s), cartoons, manga images and drawings) and therefore specifically excludes indecent photographs, or pseudo-photographs of children, as well as tracings or derivatives of photographs and pseudo-photographs. Which I think furthers the whole issues of the laws behind it, I am unsure of the laws pertaining to other countries though.
It’s different for every region. I know this one guy who does risque Lolicon artwork in California where it’s legal to do drawings but is “iffy” if it moves to a 3-d platform. He can even do pornographic drawings legally but has to be careful where he posts them on the net so that he doesn’t break any laws in other regions/states that have stricter laws because he’s based in Cali and not Japan who has more legal freedom due to Lolicon originating from there.
Linden labs have banned a few people for age play lately as its been all over FB and one of the women Supposedly tried to commit suicide and was taken into psych ward and was of course claiming her innocence. LL dont just ban people on hearsay or rumour tho so i can only assume there was evidence. If there is no truth in the names on this list they have nothing to be concerned about with LL.
Are you referring to the girl who was put on a psych hold and posting on Facebook still?
I don’t know any hospital that does psych holds for suicide attempts and gives the patients sharp objects, let alone the ability to keep up with their fake online identities.
So lessons to be learned here again and again:
– Don’t believe everything you see on the internet.
– Not everything is as it seems.
– People lie. (This is a big one.)
– And some people will do just about anything for attention.
People taken into involuntary psych holds are not given internet access to post about it on Facebook nor are people on suicide watch wards provided with computers or smart phones. If you are that much of a risk and part of the reason for your suicidal ideation involves the internet, you for sure are not going to be allowed to be online no matter what someone wanting attention says.
I realize not everyone has worked/had family who work in the mental illness field but it’s not like when you go into the hospital for surgery and can be wheeled out of the ward to use your smartphone to text about the hospital food being bad.
Agreed. I do work in the medial field so allow me to explain what happens. Each patient that is admitted to the hospital is screened for suicide/self harm. They are asked a series of questions, and if any question ends in a “yes” from the patient, they are considered a suicide watch until a bed becomes available on a psych ward. I’m sure it’s no surprise to you guys that there’s usually a bed shortage and wait list for the psych wards at most hospitals. In the meantime, while being on a suicide watch/psych hold, they have to wear paper gowns. None of those gorgeous gowns with strings that tie at the neck and the back to hide your hiney because, you know…you could kill yourself with that. No shoes, just socks or if you are allowed shoes, they have to be the kind with no laces. If you have laces, those are removed. Basically…ALL personally belongings are taken from you and are kept in a safe place far away from you, usually locked up. No clothes. No sharp objects. Definitely NO phones or internet access. If you’re lucky, your room has a tv and you may or may not be allowed to watch it. Until your bed is ready on the psych ward, which mind you…could take hours, could take weeks (yes I’ve seen it take that long), you will be placed on what is called 1:1. This means you will at all times, have a sitter. Yeah…like a babysitter, only worse. They will sit in the room and watch your every move. This includes going to the bathroom. All visitors/calls will be screened and limited to 5 maybe 10 minutes. So therefore…anyone claiming to have attempted suicide or being placed on a psych hold but still posting to… Read more »
They “care” in the way that if it’s painfully blatant and/or enough mass reports come in from the right people, something gets done but there haven’t been mass blanket bans over sexual ageplay in a while. LL was covering their ass because of that news story because even with little to no actual proof, it was giving SL a bad name when they were trying to go mainstream. I very vividly remember in 2009-2010 wondering if kid avatars were going to get a complete ban and kids being excluded from a SLB event, leading them to create their own and try to educate others about actual child avatar rp instead of “pedo panic”. The “pedo panic” flares up every few months and some people just never let it go *shrug*
Whatever two or more adults do in their bedroom isn’t anything I want to see. I’m sure some truly sick things get roleplayed in private but I’m not the Second Life Sex Police and it’s not my job to report what I never see. Honestly, I’m more worried about the dodgy crap on Marketplace for kid avatars and people openly hitting on kid avatars.
*yawns* Yes…we know. I think we heard you the first 5 times.
I 2nd this @Someoneinsl you have pounded your fists & yelled at us all till you are blue in the face about how it’s against TOS and how you are disgusted by child avatars…we heard you and you sound like a broken record so please just sit down and shut that mouth of yours that likes to spew hatred because you know what!….Nobody cares!
You can hate and blindly recite your propaganda as much as you like to follow suit with those Religious nut bags who get on their soapboxes and yell about how Gays are disgusting and will all go to hell or the Skinheads who demand that Aryan is the superior race and others should die. But quite frankly I’m kind of bored of it and so are others it seems so maybe pickup that soap box and go elsewhere to do it?
Same, I have tried but I guess reasoning with the un-cultured is a thing in SL . I think kid avs are great, I have a super nephew in SL and I don’t mind fighting for SL kids against ignorant people. As I said before, SL kids will always find people that are intolerant or them and others, because what it comes down to is the people bashing them are unhappy people in SL and possibly beyond.
SL kids have to remember that these people would be on at furries, gays, tran-sexuals and even color or whatever they don’t like , that’s how SL is. They are merely an easy target and scapegoat for bigger issues in peoples lives.
What these kids need to do now is group together and listen to each other more, talk things out and make things better for themselves. I am bored of her, I am certainly not going to keep offering a cross to the rock throwing natives. I know a lost cause when I see it
Well Yorkshire I’m actually not the biggest of fan about SL kids and I’ll admit a few have made me want to smack them with their “baby talk” I refuse to do the whole sl family thing for reasons. But on the other side of that coin SL kids have just as much right to be in SL as anyone else so I will not tolerate anyone telling them otherwise.
I agree with you Coffee. I personally find child avis cringy but to each their own.
Yes Coffee, its like all things. There will always be some bad apples to spoil a basket of apples. It don’t mean that we throw them all away because we think they are all contaminated. I feel the same, people have the right to be what they wish to be and I also do not tolerate people saying otherwise. I am also not one for this “baby talk” role play, I find it really stupid TBH and I do not in anyways talk for them. I do talk for those a lot older who wish to have a good life in SL, but they need to work harder now to get it back after that posting. Ok who is for Cider and I hope SL secrets is better next week 🙂
#6 oooh oooh mee meee! I play as a child avi too, so when you draw random names from the family community again to see who ends up on part 2 make sure you pick me and my friends! we wanna be virtual-secrets famous too for no good reason and with literally no proof. k thaaanks! ♥
If I end up on a list, I’m going to laugh. I am in the most bland, unknown, tiny family and I am non-sexual AF.
@ # 7 get off it already. If you designed in Second Life you’d go where the money is too. Seriously, Catwa updates thank you jeebus for the goods.. Lelutukerrr.. not the greatest if thou ask me. Get off thou’s high horse and design your own shit before point those spinster callused fingers decide to point eagerly. Designers need mula too, don’t berate them for creating a more popular format. You want to use a less ‘known’ format for appliers, that’s on you booboo. Not on designers heads. You want more creations for your format, be the change instead of the stank.
Everybody looks stupid here like my husband. Girls falling in love and fighting over a ken doll beacuse of Aeros cock! They come here and bitching about each other. Few are stupidier than the others try to play hero making public statement etc. I love virtual-secrets! Best entertainment in SL, better than Fox News! Kudo SL Secrets!
OMG I was just thinking the same! Great job SL Secrets! keep it coming!
#9
Here’s a little letter to the OP:
Dear you…The you who wrote the secret. The dumbass you who is probably a teeny, tiny bit salty…but only a little salty, because too much sodium is not good for you. The you who was probably too mad to grab a demo. The you who probably failed to realize that Epoch released an ORIGINAL MESH item for this event. *GASP…?!?!* I KNOW, RIGHT?!
The you who would probably refuse to believe it, even if I threw it right in your face and smeared it in like the piece of shit you are. The you who actually thinks N21 forgot about their standards, and would all of the sudden accept template items. The you who probably failed to realize that Epoch also put out original content for its last N21 round, even if it didn’t consist of mesh items…but let’s be honest, you probably DO remember Epoch in the last round of N21. You were probably a little salty back then, too :)…
Don’t be so angry. One day you’ll get your chance to shine, too.
Until then, please feel free to lock up your feelings and toughen up, little soldier. <3
Try harder,
Say O'Nara.
Oh.
Well, I’m not sure what to say except to be alarmed by all the pedo stuff this week. Yeah, I know the sickos are out there and I’ve had to report a few for hitting on my ten year old child avatar but JFC…
I never had any bad experiences at Next Gen or Kid Grid sims when I was there but I also stick with my family pretty close when I’m on my kid account and only go places like Livingtree, breedable pet sims, school, and Magicland by myself. Anyone got details on what’s going on or what they saw? Please tell me you reported it, secret maker.
#24 is… gah. You know, being a child avatar means you have to be 100% careful about being near any adult objects. I have actually logged out to avoid being near some idiot rezzing penises or someone insisting upon wearing their junk half poked out. That just looks bad. Is there context to that photo? Not that it makes it any better…
Ah I see. This is why context is important.
It took me abit to find the caption for the photo, as it appears the individual deleted it from Flickr; likely due to being bothered about it.
https://gyazo.com/ed43f53c66fd550276f60d94483edeaf
I personally find the adult/demon in the image more horrifying to have near a toddler than the rather small plant that at first glance when I saw the image on Flickr, it looked more like a bong than anything. But once someone mentioned it looked like a sexual object, then of course the way the human brain thinks, I could see that.
I had to squint and I can see how it might look like a sex toy in low resolution. My mistake, the secret maker obviously is using this without context just to make SL kids look bad.
I have one of those. It is not a sex toy, it is a cactus from Half Deer.
From the looks of the whole photo of #24 and speaking to the creator of the photo as well as catching up on Facebook chatter, it appears the individual took the picture and didn’t think about or pay attention to the surroundings but wanted to capture their attempt at parenting.
The caption of the photo was about the child not going to sleep and the extent a parent will go to scare or persuade a child to go back to bed; in this case they appear to be using the boogieman tactic.
I sincerely believe it was a simple error in judgement on the creators part but I could be wrong.
I will also point out that the photo was also taken months ago and it appears someone is attempting to create problems for the individual and their family/friends due to a disagreement.
It was a cactus not a penis. Smacks my head. Quit throwing SL kids under the bus.
I was wrong. I admit this. This is why context is important.
#24. It’s a cactus. Anyone who sees a cactus as a sexual object may need to see a doctor.
The photo is small and I didn’t put it into a photo editor to closely examine it. I was wrong and the secret maker obviously counted on people making that same mistake.
#7 Or you know, make Omega appliers and let the customer decide which head they wanna wear it with.
#15 SL seams SUCK. Even if its lined up on an sluv model, it could line up different on every single mesh body. But they could at least try harder.
So thirsty. Thanks again for the free advertising. Who ever has the time to make up this shit about Jem must be very bored and broke. Keep laughing all the way to the bank with me wifey <3
Looks like you must have so much time too to scroll these pages and comment on nobodies. Most likely this isn’t shit, as it appears kink has landed themselves in a bit of a mess the last few weeks and the cracks are getting deeper. And being your “wifey” you’d know of her alts unless of course she lies to your face too.
Get real and get good you thirsty no hope cunt <3
Ditto
^ I don’t understand stupid. Can someone explain: “Get real and get good you thirsty no hope cunt <3"
Jem and her club lost their reputuation long long time ago. Everyone that goes to loseria knows it, Sorry but that’s boring old news that everyone knows about. Joke’s on her now, like it has always been.
I’ve been a counselor at Richmond Survival Camp twice and there is not truth to that ageplay one, furthermore me and my sl mom are bother numbers and again there is no truth to that ageplay claim. I cannot say for the other ones.
#4,12,28,29: I can’t read any of them farrr too small. As for much of this… Seems to be Jelly Jigglers everywhere too Jelly to be in SL!
@18 names names. Who is she/he?
#6 Wouldn’t be surprised when Hikaru Enimo name is involved, half of the list is her middle age woman still creating as many alts as she can whole family brohers sister kids friends not a pedophile but for sure a social psycopath
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz very boring this week ~ everyone must be on a holiday but I bet I can some negative votes just by saying this LOL ~ throws Jelly Bellys into the mix
#28 #29 Jacqueline Annie Gaddis now everything make sense your corruption failed! I am a Designer myself and i was interested to advertise at essential inventory a year ago for a well known event i happend to be part of, it happend that i was talking to annie which gave me the impression of being the owner of that page she told me how great it would be to advertise on essential page so i tried that i will mention she adds a 50 – 100 dollar fee for herself to earn to every posting package on top of the promo money i paid her.. so just thinking about how much money she made secretly in all those months could be 20 000 dollars+ .rl money so no wonder this blew up im sure she did not paid taxes for this.. lol the price lists for the postings are still on her blog http://gridspirations.com/essential-inventory/ . Also i know many designers that suddenly stopped being covered at essential inventory when this girl started to sell the postings on the page this is so ridiculous! i wonder how this girls feels no shame to open another facebook page with the same concept and scam designers again blows my mind that people support this.. every designer can boost their own posts on their facebook page as well and select the right audience is not a big trick to do that klick on boost post and then you can select keywords which peple you want to reach i tried that with my friends that are also designers and we had great results and top reach so no need to pay this scammer 100 dollars to do it be aware fellow designers! she can put her “amazing marketing skills” elsewhere. i am also confused how… Read more »
She is a sick thief and a pathetic whore, all the designers who still are going to pay her RL stuff should be ashamed of it, I hope people wake u!
The pedo secret is exactly why Linden Labs should take the lead from some other grids and ban kid avis all together. I have heard all of the arguments for kid avis: its a way for a person to relive their childhood, its a way for those who had crap families growing up to have a good family in SL, its so people will leave me alone…if you are are a kid avi in SL or have one in your SL “family”, for the first two reasons then you seriously need to log off SL and get some professional help.
Everyone has had stuff happen to them in their childhood, but being a 20 to 50ish adult behind a computer screen, pretending to piss, cry, and whine like a newborn or 1 year old is not going to fix your childhood or give you the family you may have missed out on. As for being a kid avi because you want people to leave you alone, this one is an easy fix without being a kid avi. Dont socialize!
SL kid avis are just another way for mentally challenged and ill people to have an excuse to run around in a diaper or for pedos to get their fix off of, while wanking off behind the screen. Grow up people!
@Someoneinsl So what is worse? Crying and whining as a 1 year old or the crying and whining you are doing on a public forum? As you can see, your opinion is hardly a unanimous one.
I would give you 100 tumbs up if I could … have no idea why there are -43 dislikes. People are just sick if they think acting like a child is normal. GROW THE FUCK up all of you who play children.
As Fixing Your Logic said, people are more open minded and accepting of others that are different than them. Not all people who are “different” are bad people. Hell, I see more people being called out for being horrible human beings on here that DON’T play child avatars or age play, more than anything else. So where’s your logic that all child avatars should be banned?
I think, that if you see a child avatar or find someone that enjoys age play, and you instantly think “ewwww, they must be into pedophilia and child pornography!!!”…then that says way more about YOU and what’s fucked up in YOUR head. Suggesting that child avatars should be banned just because you don’t like it is a bit of a fascist view to take. Hitler was a lot like that too ya know. Just sayin’….
You want to know why there’s 43+ dislikes?
Because some of those people have chosen in 2018 to be more open-minded and understanding of other human beings.
Because some of those people have chosen; while they may not agree with the actions of ageplayers or even sexual ageplayers, to accept that everyone has their thing. Their way of coping, their taboo kinks and their way of life and simply don’t give two craps if it’s not hurting them or real children.
Because some of those people are or know ageplayers or even sexual ageplayers on or off Second Life and have chosen to realize and accept that those who partake in either catagory just maybe aren’t all bad people who are into child exploitation/
molestion /pornography.
And ofcourse… Some people simply like the color red.
Personally for me close minded Fascist Nazi talk seem to go very well with red 🙂
Banning kid avatars is not the answer. There are thousands of us across the grid who use our child avatars to role play in truly innocent and NON-sexualized ways. If you see an adult avatar hugging a child avatar, you automatically assume pedophilia, when it’s simply a parent and child embracing. Don’t be so quick to judge. You never know the reason someone plays a child in SL. As someone who plays an adult avatar and a child avatar on two separate accounts, I can tell you , it can be very therapeutic for many reasons. Some of us simply missed out on our childhood, some were abused as kids, some were neglected, some were impoverished, you just never know. SL gives us a way to sort of relive that childhood in a happy way through controlled role play. Yes, there are pedophiles out there on the grid. There are pedophiles out there on the streets in real life, omg, lets ban children in the real world! You see how ignorant that sounds? Through my years playing a child avatar in SL, it has helped me come to term with many things that have haunted me in real life. So, if that is a bad thing in your eyes, so be it!
Let’s just ban all sex. I’m down with that, seeings as how I have a ten year old kid avatar specifically to get away from sexuality, to be able to relive the days before I was sick, and to relax. Everything I do as a kid avatar is innocent and if some sicko hits on me, they’re in the wrong. When I’m on my adult account, it doesn’t matter how loudly I scream I’m non-sexual. People take my actions as sexual. People hit on me. I’m “in the wrong” for refusing because how dare I be in Second Life without the intent to date and marry and divorce and have prim babies and do all the sexual things. How dare I be female and not be ugly if I don’t want to be hit on.
Oh and.. I am in therapy. This is actually part of my therapy. I had a great childhood and going back to it helps me deal with my adult real life and being a rape survivor. I don’t wear diapers or piss or cry or whine like a newborn – my kid avatar looks like Punky Brewster and does kid things. It’s nice to have permission to color and play.
I think you’re the one with an issue, Someone. If you see sexuality and negativity in everything, something is wrong. Have you tried logging off and getting professional help?
A kid, are you sure you were not on “My 600 Pound Life” Everything you have said is what these overeaters blame on making them how they are. Always kid problems. I never have heard their therapist tell them to go play a 10 year old on a computer game to help them though.
Pretty sure I weigh less than you and you’d make a better reality show contestant but if you want to be that delusional and toxic, I can’t stop you. Funny way to make yourself feel good though.
OneNameOnly, Thats a shitty comment to make man, seriously that’s poor taste!! Everyone has different coping mechanisms for different things. I rather someone get help on a 10 year old game than end up over-eating, depressed, suicidal or whatever.
A-Kid it seems that your therapy is obviously not working. If you think being a kid avatar and coloring in a 3D virtual world is going to help you get over being a rape victim, think again. Whether you rp as a kid or not, it will not erase the fact you were raped. You should ask for your money back from your counselor because they seriously are not making it better for you, in fact they are probably just milking this kid avatar bs to you, so that they can keep you coming back and getting your money. You do not need permission from a 3D virtual world, while dressed up as a fake kid, in order to color and play. You can do these things in the safety of your home in RL. Since you obviously love being a kid and it is part of your “therapy” I challenge you to dress up as a kid in RL and see how far you get pretending to be one.
@ Someoneinsl Again I have to pick on you on your lack of realization of what good SL does for others. Just because a good percentage of people on SL are suffering compulsive addictions on gacha as a means to fill an empty void , does not mean everyone’s life in SL is used similarly. The use of roleplay in particular Gestalt therapy has been known to be therapeutic to aid the resolution of past conflicts as well as feeling holistically good about yourself , where you make the life choices denied from you.
SL allows for that because in the real world, we have very judgmental people who are open to place labels on people. This goes from adult abuse victims to transgender people to those suffering mental health problems. Many people stigmatize others ignorantly to what they don’t understand to their own limited opinion but it does not make it the right opinion. So your comment as to “I challenge you to dress up as a kid in RL and see how far you get pretending to be one.” is flippant. Yes SL is no means a replacement for RL therapy but in conjunction it help may to mend broken people, who are we to challenge that?
I could well ask you the same to follow your own advice, to go out and meet a few SL kids and see how far you get. You suffer the same aversion issues to your opinions, as some who refuse to challenge themselves to get over hurdles.
Yes because you’re a therapist with 30 years of experience and you know the exact details of my therapy and diagnosis and not some person on the internet who cannot wrap their mind around non-sexual experiences – correct? Oh wait…. So tell me, does your SL avatar look exactly like you? Are they your age? Do they dress exactly like you? Are they the same gender? Are they human? Because if they aren’t, you too are engaging in fantasy play just as I am. I am engaging in fantasy play just like 99.9% of Second Life. I challenge you to make your avatar look EXACTLY like you to support your belief that all fantasy play is wrong. Tell us how far that gets you. And dress like a child in real life.. oh my dear, you do understand that how a ten year old dresses isn’t that much different than an adult – right? Aside from needing a bra. Adults wear shirts and jeans and dresses too. In fact, bright colors and unicorns are “in” for adults atm. You don’t spend much time around real children, do you? I mean, that’s likely for the best because you’d think them hugging you was sexual and ask to ban them. I don’t think you understand children at all and that’s why you want them banned. Who hurt you as a child? What made you hate children and make them all sexual? I do actually color and play in real life as well but people are far less accepting of an adult being imaginative and being silly in real life.. despite the fact even people like Fred Rogers said adults need to play and use their imaginations too. I’d talk about the other parts of my therapy but the fact you can’t respect… Read more »
AKid you don’t have to justify how you spend your second life to anyone. Just remember that. I appreciate your discourse and your frank discussion about your second life. I appreciate you making it something to benefits you.
From AKid…oh my dear, you do understand that how a ten year old dresses isn’t that much different than an adult – right? ….AKid you are one very fucked up individual. You sound like a pedo. You have this sick fascination with being a child and come up with every excuse why it is so right for you. Then you say if people do not agree with you, they are in SL for sex. Your mind is fucking warped. Stay off Sl. You seriously scare me. Hopefully they put you in a mental hospital since computer baby therapy is not working for you .
I’m asexual.
Do you know what asexual means?
It means I’m not sexually attracted to anyone. Therefore, “pedophile” is a non-insult and an impossibility as I’m not sexually attracted to anyone or thing and I’ve said that repeatedly. Non-sexual. Don’t like sex. Rape survivor. What part of that says “kiddie fucker” to you? Logic. Use it.
I’m 100% picking on Someone who is the epitome of what you are saying. They think ALL kid avatars are here to be sexual. All of them. Have you bothered to read? No, you haven’t. At all. And how is a ten year old a baby? How do you know if my therapy is working? You know me in real life? Please enlighten me, dear. I think you’re just trying to find an easy target to vomit negativity at.
Hopefully you learn reading comprehension at some point. Do you feel Mister Rogers should be in a mental hospital too?
You have clearly missed the point of virtual worlds. Log off. They’re not for you.
” Some of us simply missed out on our childhood, some were abused as kids, some were neglected, some were impoverished, you just never know. SL gives us a way to sort of relive that childhood in a happy way through controlled role play.”
Exactly what I was talking about earlier. Being a kid in a virtual world does not fix the fact you were abused, neglected, impoverished, etc..people should go and get real life help for these issues, not being an adult and typing goo goo ga ga behind a computer screen or asking someone to change your prim diaper.
The main issue is that there sickos in SL who are being pedos with kid avatars. This type of behavior could end if kid avis were banned.
Oh you are so smart Someoneinsl so smart indeed that you think banning kid avi’s would change that fact truly? Most of your comments are so close minded it is actually laughable and what do you do in SL sit and read your bible and try to convert people to your closed minded thinking?
No, it doesn’t fix it. However, it does help. I get there are pedos out there with kid avatars and that is an issue, a big issue in SL. As I said before, though, banning child avatars is NOT the answer. Child avatars and family role play is our thing. You don’t have to like it, but acknowledge it and respect it, just as we do your sex role play since you obviously believe everything in SL revolves around sex. If you want to ban child avatars because there are sickos out there using them, then ban adult avatars too..lets just close Second LIfe, shut down the the Internet and end the world…then we’ll be free of the sickos. Otherwise, realize its the driver, not the vessel that is the problem.
LOL yeah and then once they are banned , you find some other shit you don’t like to make up for that, where will it end? Man I wish stupidity was an offense in SL, I have you banned on the spot, happily…gladly!!
You said every word I had in mind. There’s lots of creepy stuff on SL but kids avies are the worst of them.
@ Justanothersllady
Bollocks, I seen as many adults with more screwed up ideas than any on the grid. If that’s the case I would ban everyone off SL for being a pervert in the making , cause its sure to hell a point of people in glass houses throwing bricks around huh? I seen it all , rape, cannibalism, gore, church rape, devil worship and rape and all divulged and enjoyed… things that would get you arrested in RL but suddenly is is fine if you sanction your own behaviors and as long as its adults are involved makes it “ok?” but you telling me and everyone else kids are worse. Thats the biggest pile of self indulgent bullshit I have seen on SL secrets yet
The issue here is age play, if two adults want to indulge in the type of behavior you are mentioning, what is the issue? A person who is an adult with a kid avatar and conducting age play should be banned. In fact the kid avatar and the adult avatar both should be banned.
@Someoneinsl There is a lot of things in SL that should be bannable, we have SL secrets every week about others conning people for money for reasons that are untrue. That is fraud which is a jailable offence. Where is the ban button for them?
Rape is also a jailable offence, in some countries the death penalty yet many sims thrive on it and make a business out of it . Your point being on some shitty reportable issue Lindens put in to save their own asses and profits. If you think they cared about ageplay you are sorely mistaken. Its to do with profits and less about care of what is morally correct in the world.
My point is I find rape offensive, where is my justice and where is my ban button in SL? Because if we went by your opinion re kids and mixed it with things I (and I am sure others don’t like), SL would be down in number of people by half due to reports. And then your SL would be seriously up the chute because LL would not financially survive. The moral, don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
The conning of people in SL, you can file an AR report for these issues or take the person to RL small claims court if you feel you were defrauded out of a great deal of money. You have a ban button in SL, you can ban people from your land, property, groups, sims, etc..
It is my personal opinion if I feel that kid avatars should be banned, just as it is your personal opinion that they should not. If you want someone to respect your opinion, then respect theirs.
LL don’t do anything, fraud is seen as an out of world transaction of faith. LL cover their asses to not pay out anything in money or indeed, have any responsibility to their customer base . That’s always been the case. As for your opinion I accept and respect it, I just don’t agree with it. Which I can’t say you do in return to me nor to the others who have bounced back your posts
If you want to ban kid avis might as well ban everything. Adults do just as bad/worse things like Rape, Beastiality. I have even seen adult couples rping incest relationships. Then you have the people that use them anime/kemono avis there larger then a standard kid avi but still playing as a young underage anime character they just dont look as realistic. So lets ban the whole anime world in sl to wile were at it. Point is if we banned everything everyone dont like there would be nothing left. Mind your own business an enjoy your sl an dont worry about what everyone else is doing. And if your that bored in sl that you have nothing better to do then go around finding things to report then your the one that needs help an should be banned. And for Sansor not having kid avi thats mostly do to with its not same family rp environment as sl is its more focused for creators, nothing do with banning kid avies there.
It does not matter to me if LL survives financially, the point is, age play with child avatars and adult avatars is disgusting and SL does have its share of pedophiles, even if the names listed in this week’s secrets are innocent, there are more than likely more in SL who are age playing and participating in pedophilia. LL will not survive anyways, if child age play becomes even more rampant than it already is and all it takes is a few news reports that LL is allowing this behavior by allowing people to run around as kid avatars. This could all be prevented if kid avis were banned. There are many people who simply cannot stand kid avis, but do not speak out because they get attacked. Even LL cannot stand kid avis and do not have them available in Sansar, their latest virtual world.
@Someoneinsl
I don’t know… because Sansar is shit maybe? They don’t even allow for basic customization of adult avatars other than the basic muppet faces they gave them. So on things not being allowed its early to say, plus the whole reason for Sansar is not even for basic social connection. It’s a site for creators basically for creative exposure. And if LL would not survive you would have nothing to harp on about, so win win right? You can get on with RL, lobby on something that makes a difference to REAL LIVES instead of getting on a soap box here about child avs.
P.S Someone also asked you a question on the validity on other things being bannable, which is a justified question. If you are going to answer, at least have the common decency to fire back on an answer that’s directly fired at you, other than ignoring it for your own 2 cents opinion. Because otherwise that’s just plain rude and ignorant!!
And I could say the same thing to you Yorkshire, what are you doing in RL? Have you contributed to mankind? It is really a sorry state of affairs in the world if people are so bent out of shape because I simply said banning kid avatars (which are nothing more than pieces of mesh) in a virtual world (which only exists on computer servers) has caused such an uproar.
Actually yes Someoneinsl, I run 5k marathons and donate my sponsorship to charity, often to cystic fibrosis charities . And no i’m not bent out of shape about the banning of kid avatars, because its not about that largely I am on to you about ( although it is partly). Yes you are entitled to your opinion but I am telling you your opinion and logic are so way off target. People are people, they should be allowed to choose what they wish to be, if you state you wish to ban kid avatars then you are taking part in allowing what is subjugation to people. When you start that, it becomes a catalyst for other things that later people find offensive. Which later means eventually YOU come under the firing line for something others may hate. Then when that happens, I am sure you would be the first to shout blue murder and demand your rights, your freedom of speech to exist. That is why I am calling you selfish, because your opinion is based on you and is not in any form three dimensional thinking. In short you think in black and white and no in-between. You are judge and jury and that is injustice and that is whats wrong with your comments, it is based on a blanket ban on people who may not ever do such things as was reported on 6 which was also talked about as mis-labeling people wrongly. You cannot ever if you call yourself a person of free speech and free expression, come here with an attitude like that. In a place like SL that should be for fun and enjoyment, you coming on here spouting your obvious hate for kid avs pretty much has been summed up on all these posts.… Read more »
A 5k is NOT a marathon, more an easy 3.2 miles. By the wat, here is a bowl since you think your shit smells like ice cream Yorkie.
LOL OneNameOnly, an your shit smells like? I hate to think seeing where your head is where it should not be. At least I have had reasonable and legible posts with reasons, yours has been a torrent of simple grade BS a 6 year old could muster. Or is this a snappy retort cause I had to smack your arse over a shitty comment you made on another? A comment you yourself (if you were an adult) should never have made if you had a shred of decency. And 5 k is a Marathon you freakin idiot. https://www.edinburghmarathon.com/events/5k/
Now stop answering back to the adults now and play nice with the other children!!
A marathon is 26 miles you pedo idiot. Now go back to your dolly time on second life. And seeing as where you are from, get your teeth fixed too. Lol
One of the first insults of someone insecure and unable to refute their points is to launch an attack on the person’s looks rather than their words. Especially true online.
It’s also the sign of someone likely suffering from what they try to push on others.
Get some help, OneNameOnly.
@OneNameOnly. I’m not a pedo idiot LOL and I showed you the site, what more do you want? You are like my aunts terrier, biting around peoples ankles and yipping cause you are pissed off; cause we rubbed your nose in your own shit you took on the carpet. . Point is I take part . Hahah fix your teeth, thats a stereotype that only people like you could come up with, more evidence to show how ignorant you are.
Now sit the fuck down and calm yerself and go hang at the welcome hubs you normally sit at with the other anal retentives. You might actually be able to find someone to learn you to troll better 😛 . You fall for the bait every-time, typical triggered LOL, easy prey.
having an adult female avatar to rape and abuse indicates you need help. Logging into a game to have sex instead of getting some irl also indicates the need for help. Female avatars should be banned since people use them to abuse. male avatars should also be banned. Furries promote animal abuse and should be banned.
I can’t be an Apache Helicopter because I’ll be accused of wanting to shoot at people
Then lets ban all avatars and close up all virtual worlds, since you obviously think it is ok to let kid avatars and adults have sex with each other.
As someone who would choose any other body before Maitreya, it amuses me to see all the angst from Lelutka head owners over their lack of options and I can’t help but wonder how many of them ironically enjoy all the Maitreya exclusives. LOL
28 & 29: Finally the mask is down… you know…you can’t hide shit under the water for too long…soon emerges.
#31 & #32
Belle & Ines are two of my favorite people in SL. Sounds like someone has sand in their vagina because they feel left out. You obviously don’t really know either of them.
Sand in the vag sounds like a more pleasant option than to ever be a part of that group. And yes i know them
At least with sand in the vag the crabs will feel at home.
Whose business is it what gender #18 identifies as IRL?
I never understood the idea that you can only be a female avatar if you are female in RL and male avatar if you are male in RL. There was a great club I used to go to that was super busy and popular for years… totally get ruined over the idea another person I knew was male in RL on his female avatar. I already assume to think most avatars are role playing people. I know straight men that play females because it’s just fun. The drama over this friend being male, was worse than junior high students fighting over who is the best looking popular girl in class. I always look at an avatar for who they portray on SL, I dont care about the RL of the person. If Katarina is male? Okay! I don’t get why it’s such a big deal.
People are just ridiculous lol
It Isn’t a big deal!… Many people actually have both female & male avis and possibly a cat or fairy maybe some other thing. Anybody who cares about that might have very low self confidence about their gender identity and possibly sexuality I guess? The only place this is even debated about in a virtual world/online game is SL any other place I’ve gone it is assumed 90% of all the avis are Guys behind the comp no matter what the gender is of the avi itself. If you are a Girl behind the comp it’s a “oh ok i didn’t know” and it doesn’t matter even then if the Girl has a male avi. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter and is nobodies business except maybe those who you “date” in SL because then there are the feels tied into all that.
Agreed
The person who made this list thought they were clever by putting a few red herrings in there, but we’re not altogether fooled. They’re just mad they’ve stepped on all these toes with their crazed behavior, and are consequentially all alone now, but we see you. You think slandering us will make you feel better, well get ready.
#28 Jacqueline Annie Gaddis always licking designers ass, I still don’t get why do they fall for her shit. And I can bet she’s gonna keep taking advantage of people like nothing ever happened. WAKE THE FUCK UP FUCKERS!
What I don’t understand is why pay for services the original “inventory’ will offer you for free? Business wise this is silly as hell..
So, a lot of people on that list of “pedos” can be caught doing some rather unsavory things, but I know first hand a few names on that list are completely off the wall. Having been in sl for 12 years, mostly as a child avatar, I can tell you this list was thrown together from some hatred for gay people (and some appear to be randomly added in, Logan Pan?? Really?? Tyler Witherspoon?? Sawyer and Dylan?? Have you ever even spoken to any of these people?)
I used to rent with Mr. Witherspoon (who by the way, is a public servant and spends most of his time helping save lives) and had to laugh out loud when I saw this. Logan Pan I’ve seen at tons of events and I can assure you he’s about as asexual as they come. He’s peter pan for christ’s sake. Sawyer and Dylan? When are these two NOT helping some event or group or doing nice things for other people? I have seen one of them with my own eyes stand up and speak out when they thought something fishy was going on at a sim.. so again, another high doubt on this list.
I recognize almost every single name on this list, and while I have no specific ties to any of the names (though I do agree with a couple,) this list should really be taken with a grain of salt.. petty sl secret work at its finest.
they missed the bears xD
those are true pedos.
I recognized quite a few of the names also and many it was quite a “huh what?” and though my name didn’t make it on the list since it’s a “part 1” TBH based off of the names this week…. If part 2 comes to be I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if my name was on it based solely on how my avi looks and/or who I know. The person who made that list has probably never met or talked to most there and grouped with somebody who made them rather Butthurt.
Part 2 anyone?
My name is personally on this list, I am by far not a Pedo, and do not appriciate being accused of such things. Whoever you are, you can kindly go fuck yourself.
#28, Oh Annie, remember when you threatened me saying I would lose everything i have because you didnt like me, even tho I never knew who you where until that day? Im so glad your mask is falling and your ugly face is there for everybody to see. Enjoy your karma sweetheart.
#6 is not accurate. My name is on it, for unknown reasons, and I can assure you that I’m not a pedophile. I don’t know who on that list you’re mad at, but it’s kinda stupid to randomly pick friends off of their FB lists and assume that they are pedophiles.
To those of you reading, while I can’t speak for everyone on that list, just know that at least some of them are definitely NOT pedos. This fool is just trying to start messes.
Best thing to do in these cases is ignore it. People create names they don’t like to accuse of horrific things, if you truly did nothing wrong and this information about you is incorrect, then you have nothing to worry about and it will pass. The less you say to anyone that might IM you, the better other than its incorrect. Don’t get overly defensive and if anyone accuses just say nothing. It’s always the best way, it will pass otherwise. I hate when list of names are brought up like this, as it’s not proof of anything and is likely meant to abuse someone they just don’t like for some silly reason. To accuse anyone of it wrongfully, just hurts people who are actually abused or dragged into it.. it also shows other pedos that really ARE out there, they can get away with it as they will be not looked at so closely. Make one statement nicely and let it go, best thing you can do
The person who made this list has lost friendship with half these people on the list. I guess being all alone makes them salty, but we see you, you’re the prime number of bad experiences.
That is incorrect , the people who name others may not be people who lose friendships but people who hide inside friendships. Do not think that people who are not popular with others are the troublemakers. Popularity is a pile of bullshit, there are many people who are not popular and are the nicest people. I said this already in Secrets 500 where another kid was being brutally cyber bullied, where were all you people when he needed it?
Maybe because the “kid” in question was not a kid but an adult pretending to be one, so why should we care if an adult is rping as a kid is being bullied?
@ Someoneinsl.
Because its called being human. If there is bullying going on on a personal level, that no matter what you are does not negate the human being that is yourself. Same as if you were being bullied or anyone else you love, bullying and its affects is the same no matter who its directed to. Or are you that shut off from humanity you cannot see this logically?
Plenty, because it is still a person with feelings and still a person being actively picked on which is a social crime no matter what they are. A person which I may add YOU are not. The cure??? , Go play on the white lines on the road deary and make the world a better place !!
This is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen in my life. Firstly, Ageplay is not PEDOPHILIA asshole. If you (whomever made this list).
“Ageplay or age play is a form of roleplaying in which an individual acts or treats another as if they were a different age. Ageplay is roleplaying between adults, and involves consent from all parties. Ageplay can be sexual or non-sexual, it all depends on what people agree to within their relationship. Portraying any age can be the goal of ageplay, from babies, to the elderly. Usually this involves someone pretending to be younger than they actually are, but more rarely can involve assuming an older role.” – Wikipedia
“Ageplay is NOT CONSIDERED pedophilia or related to pedophilia by professional psychologists. Individuals who ageplay enjoy portraying children, or enjoy childlike elements typical of children present in adults.
Ageplay does not involve the sexual attraction to biologically underage people.
I knew someone that was accused of ageplay on SL, in RL they were also convicted of sexual assult of a minor under the age of 8. Having someone play a child for sexual purposes, is unacceptable in many ways. If you are going to sit here and defend an adult having sexual relations with someone playing a child avatar, you might want to get some therapy yourself. It’s disturbing.
Finally someone who gets it. Thank you Respect for having the balls to tell it like it is.
Yes but Respect said quite clearly said she knows of “someone”. Someone being the singular. You are saying all kids avs are which is the plural which is ironic in your statement, because you totally missed the point of what Respect is saying. So you don’t get it , you only picked out bits to feed your propaganda . LOL
And yet age play is a banneable offense in SL, so you are wrong and if you are going to quote factual sites, do not quote a site like Wikipedia, which is neither factual and can be edited by anyone.
I am still looking to see where age play is an offense in TOS. Because if that is so. It would be a very empty grid and Second Life would not be running. Who on earth creates their avatar to be the same age in real, when you can be anything of any age in SL. That is what SL is all about.
Ageplay or age play is a form of roleplaying in which an individual acts or treats another as if they were a different age. Ageplay is role playing between adults, and involves consent from all parties. Portraying any age can be the goal of ageplay, from babies, to the elderly. Usually this involves someone pretending to be younger than they actually are, but more rarely can involve assuming an older role.
Isn’t that the point of this social platform? To be want you want to be?
LL certainly takes a dim view on any registered sex offenders creating an account and have engaged in or attempted to engage in conduct with minors on the Service that violates this Agreement, or that for any other reason may pose what LL deem to be an unacceptable risk to the Service community.
So whoever published that list of names really needs to take it up with Linden Labs as per TOS. Let them deal with the issue.
It is not specifically referenced in the ToS or comunity standards. It is in the official policies section of the SL wiki . http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clarification_of_policy_disallowing_ageplay
Check here: https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/second-life-terms-and-conditions
Now scroll down to this section: 4. CONDUCT BY USERS OF SECOND LIFE
Now see this paragraph:
(vii) If you are an adult, impersonate a minor for the purpose of interacting with a minor using Second Life, or stalk, harass, or engage in any sexual, suggestive, lewd, lascivious, or otherwise inappropriate conduct with minors on Second Life, or attempt to contact or meet with such minor outside Second Life, including without limitation electronically or physically, if you have reason to know or Second Life concludes that you should have known you were interacting with a minor on Second Life, or otherwise engage in any conduct that violates our Teen Safety Guidelines;
(viii) Post, display or transmit any material, object or text that encourages, represents, or facilitates sexual “age play,” i.e., using child-like avatars in a sexualized manner. This activity is grounds for immediate termination. You may review our full Age Play Policy here. You understand and agree that we may report any and all such incidents — and any and all of your corresponding personal information — to any authorities we deem appropriate, whether or not it in and of itself violates the law of your (or any) jurisdiction; or
Which means they are allowed on SL but have rules, like you and I have rules playing adults. Not that many adults adhere to those rules. I seen many adults in PG sims with dildos hanging out them, BDSM leashes and all sorts openly in well labelled PG areas. Maybe you start talking about these people too. AS I said before, there is always stupid and ignorant people that think the grid is their own liberty, but those ignorant people do NOT speak for everyone as a whole.
If you openly address the faults of other people and how they manifest in SL and how some screw up the dignity and name of other people like them, you will do far better. And yes, that includes all women who feel the need to attach a mesh vagina or guys with a mesh dong with them shopping in crowded events. What you use that to put your Lindens in? At least any kid I have seen in the grid has never done that, plenty adults do. So maybe direct your thoughts to such people instead of hoaxes and petty indifference
Who ever admits to being a pedophile??
Anyway without proof most of what is said here is taken with a grain of salt.
True. Just like the salty people on here hide their identities behind accusational posts so they aren’t attacked for making them. They’re afraid of having a dose of their own medicine. However, calling someone a pedophile is actually dangerous to the accused person and that is against the law. It’s not the same as calling people names. It is accusing them of a criminal offense. So don’t be surprised when people defend their reputation.
Sorry to hear that you made “the cut”. I can’t speak for everyone here but I’m quite sure many of us view that quite a few on that list are random names pulled out of a hat and we are take it with a grain of salt.
Coffee Break is right . On Number 6 and the other related ones on this list is a mixed bag of accusations that don’t make sense. Some were wrongly listed as they come from a list that’s linked in a particular social circle. The rest are random and make little sense other than posted as a drama retort to some other drama. As much as I cannot say on the list what is true or not, what is clear is that the link is to finding out the poster identity of this list. The poster made a massive mistake in naming three people who do nothing as intended on that list. So far those are the random names I can pull out quickly as a few others I have no idea who they are, so some could be just random names. Can’t be sure until the next list comes out and then I will be sure of the posters true intentions, but I know its another kid or teen that is linked with the families mentioned in question and who they are social with. I say this much, people go about with heads up their own ass and crawling to people, who really will turn so quickly against each other. Most are well known for it, so maybe its better to choose better people in your lives from now on. Not that it helps the damage caused but a lot of people named here are closely linked with each other as friends /associates, so the poster has a salty crack itch about something that affected him in that. The whole list is way off though and taken as it is, a pile of bollocks. As for Part 2 or Part 3 on this list, I don’t think i’m interested as… Read more »
Happy Easter and wtheck is with all the small writing and writing without a drop shadow so mf can read it?! 😀
Happy Easter you salty bitches! Love this site!!!
#12 now i know a lot of girls are thirsty as a mf.. but if a 3rd party is causing an issue in a relationship and is friends with the male of it….its his job to to fix it 1 way or another. Guys love to watch girls fight over them.. they’re douchey like that… but its because we at 1 time or another (depending if you’ve grown up any) have whined over an idiot. HE could fix that ‘problem’ if he chose.. thats all im saying.
The whole thing was about how pathetic she looks because she doesn’t understand that an ex is an ex and she shouldn’t be making these weird ass long ass lovey-dovey post about this dude. Like I don’t know if you would be comfortable hearing that an ex girlfriend is saying that your sl husband and real-life boyfriend was her first love but last time I checked I would punch a bitch For even thinking that was OK to say so the post was to shame her into not doing that anymore because she sent a 10 page worth book to J about how disrespectful J was for asking what was up with her husband, because she’s OK with him being friends and talking but she’s not OK with them talking about her and disrespecting her and J has already told her husband and he’s doing that (Atleast from what I’ve seen and been told) but sometimes he slips up. I’m just here to defend my friend because I love and respect her and if I were his ex I would’ve just walked away because I would’ve had too much feelings that’s just my perspective also she deserves to be on this website because your whole fucking family is whack and disrespectful I know multitude of people they have screwed over and is just their time to fucking have one family member feel like shit so you know I rather be a bad guy and make my friend know she’s in the right then to let this little scummy bitch feel like she can just have one over on fucking j because eden is in k’s head. She also tried to deny that that post was about him by taking the photo certainly not mentioning his name and then when Jay… Read more »
im soo not reading all that..lol point is if ur man has female friends he can fix a problem it may be causing.. the end.
Basically… this bitch can suck dick and move tf on. she don’t need be all up on J’s man like that,they’ve already tried to resolve this issue. and E got mad at J for trying to. – not my problem anymore. just hope E learns to move tf on.
OR the fact the guy is still talking to her should be a sign for everyone to classify him as a fuckboy. The current girlfriend is an idiot, so is the fuckbag who wrote the secret. You probably only know one side of it. The guy on the other hand is playing all of you to sit back and watch you guys fight over him
I know every side. Including my own. This eden bitch need go fuck with someone in her family like the rest them crazy fucks do.
#6 Seems like to me someone just took the most well known SL big kids and put them on the list without even knowing their facts or having evidence behind it. Please take your bitter ass a seat and stop trying to fuck up peoples lives just because you don’t have one
Wtf this list isn’t the most well-known big kids. There are several names on that list that do not surprise me at all. It has been one of those things that people know happens but isnt really talked about. Clearly there has now been some falling out and they are doing this. The vast majority of kids on Sl are non sexual but it cannot be denied some are. That does not make them instantly a pedo in RL however it makes them a sexual ageplayer. That is against ToS and against most peoples moral codes, including mine, but they are not affecting RL kids.
A number of names on here are bound to be innocent people caught up in the poster’s vitriol though.
Yiss… I’m starting to think that somebody has the strong case of the Jellies and way too much Salt in their possession >.>
I think so, It’s odd that its twice in 2 weeks we have a lot of issues coming from kids against each other. Damn shame but they really don’t help each other when it happens. Much as I feel sorry for anyone being maliciously slandered or whatever, they certainly don’t help each other out much when it does 🙁
And what is this about “SL Big kids”, there is no such thing as “SL big kids”, that’s just a pile of bigheaded nonsense. There were many nice kids on that list who are in no way big people. No wonder people get salty when others are addressing other people as bigger than each other.
Teen kids instead of toddleedoos
Looks like the garbage man forgot to get the trash. Listen Karra you need to go see a psychiatrist for your obsession issues. Let the beef go, your actions only prove your unemployment is because you can’t act professional and you make yourself look bad. Phe still workin that ass while you steadily stalking her fb fishing for drama that ain’t there. Lmfao coooommmiiicaall. The ignorance and stupidity is one with you carry on with your life.
#7 its really not the creator of cosmetics/skins job to boost lelutka sales.. lol if you liked catwa makeup u shoulda bought catwa…have u ever heard the cry babies in the gen lab group? their group chat makes me want to rip my rl head off crying over makeup and calling catwa users fucked up names lmao… petty ass old ladies… research before u buy or dont complain
I don’t think the post is about boosting LeLutka sales but rather a plea for more creators (already making LL compatible product and some of the quality applier creators who are not yet making LL) to make more. One suggestion above is to buy the Omega option but sometimes the fit (on either Catwa or LL) isn’t that great. And to me the post isn’t about preferring Catwa makeup over LL, it’s just about having options 🙂
i cant..lol i just cant…. i have a fix for all the crying….learn to make your own things. problem solved. finally.! xD lol creators make what they like.. if its not working for you…make your own.
Some of us don’t like the Catwa head. Some of us think the huds are a total dumpster fire.
Some of us hate the shape of the profile and the super puffed up lips.
I’ve tried every demo and I still hate it. I don’t want to have to purchase a head I don’t like just to get better skin support.
It’s fine – the skin creators who design for multiple heads are the ones who will get my money.
In the long run, it is a good thing for my wallet. I have hunted down the skins i like for the heads I own and any fun-money I have for SL will be spent with designers/creators who are not Catwa/Maitreya exclusive.
(Yes, I own the Maitreya body – it is the first one I purchased – then I found better bodies.)
There are at least a dozen Catwa heads… yes, Catya is played out. I can’t imagine why anyone still wears it, it’s embarrassing to look like you’re cousins with half the grid (and no matter what you think you’ve done to customize yourself, you do, Catya holdouts…), but a bento head is a big purchase that some people probably can’t make too often. But to act like there’s only one Catwa head, or that all of them have the same lips and profile, is laughably ignorant.
I’ve tried every single Catwa demo in order to give it a chance, but they all have the same distinctive feel to them that does not work for me. They don’t feel like what I want to wear – it doesn’t work for me. The huds are still terrible and I stand by that.
Now that I think about it, I understand why people are lashing out so much, though. People saying that they don’t like the Catwa head are essentially saying, “I DON’T LIKE YOUR FACE!” and I guess that is raising your hackles a bit? Your face is fine, I just don’t want your face on my head/your head on my body.
I make my avatars for my pleasure and enjoyment and I’m using money I have earned to do it. Why should I purchase a head I don’t like just for extra support?
thats fine and dandy love… why cry to the designer about it? lol get a diary
You assume I’m the one who posted the secret. I haven’t said anything to any of the designers who don’t create for Lelutka, Akeruka, Omega, TMP, Genesis, etc.
I support the creators who do – The Skinnery, Lara Hurley, YS&YS, Pink Fuel to name a few.
They support multiple heads and/or Omega and they have my custom.
The point that the secret maker is trying to make is that there is still a market out there that may be a bit more niche, but who still have Lindens to spend and will flock to quality creations if they were available.
i didnt assume shit besides you’re so fucking whiney.. you could have saved your hair from falling out by researching 1st….
just like its your SL to do as you choose… its every other person.. creator..designer as well.. just fucking deal with it..
Yes more people will go as they find out ..great…grand..wonderful…but maybe the creator has a life and stays to 1 brand specific because thats how they make ends meet with time for rl things?! who knows.. why complain though… i wear maitreya and have 4 other bodies as well… and a brand i like on only 1 item didnt make the item maitreya….until now i never cried about it.. who cares?!?! next… im sure somewhere in the world a terrorist attack could happen but u worry about ur leltuka weirdo.
Your reaction is so odd, why resort to name-calling because I say I don’t like the Catwa head?
I am thrilled with how my avatars have turned out and I don’t have a strong desire to keep buying new skins, I simply understand why those who would like to refresh their faces every so-often are looking for more options.
because ‘entitled’ people infuriate me…lol im kinda happy u wrote again because didnt u post say something about eh-hem ‘my custom head’ … why doesnt ms. custom head get some custom makeup/skin..n stop custom crying =)
Your reading comprehension is problematic. Custom is another word for business. Regular dealings with a shop or business by customers. Example: “If you keep me waiting, I will take my custom elsewhere”
I apologize if English is your second language and the vocabulary is above your comprehension.
It seems that you’re missing half of what I’m saying. I’m happy with the way my avatars have turned out using the creators who create for my heads. (I have several avatars and different heads – again – i do this because it is fun).
Nothing I’ve said is entitled or demanding. I am going to spend my money on the things I like and on the creators who make things I like.
What a boring ass week for virtual-secrets.
It’s Easter Sunday. Perhaps people were getting right with Jesus this week.