Welcome to virtual-secrets, week 489.
A couple of things before the secrets this week.
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- If you hook up with a crazy in SL, it is not our responsibility to help you deal with that. If it becomes a RL issue contact law enforcement. We always cooperate with law enforcement when it comes to RL issues.
- Secret submissions are anonymous. We don’t know if your crazy ex or your abuela submitted them. The only way to possibly found out, see above.
- Make your secrets legible.
- Learn how to apply drop shadows to text so it can be read.
- Do not contact us just to threaten us, especially with e-lawyers. We know your legal rights and we also know our legal rights. We’ve been doing this for 9 years. You are not the first nor will you be the last.
- Lastly, if the material submitted here triggers you, please get help. If the materials submitted here make you suicidal please see the suicide hotline numbers posted. They are there to help.
#7 That Travis guy and his ex are still around? I thought for sure the clubs would’ve banned him by now after his last stunt. I know at least one club got sick and tired of his shit. I have no idea how either one of them even makes let alone keeps friends. I always thought they were perfect for each other, they’re both crazy as fuck, and have too many alts to even count. I’m guessing he pissed her off by finding someone new, again, and isn’t giving his ex attention, again, so she’s lashing out?
#11 Busted. However im a bit upset over the 2nd place. I deserve no. 1 (no offence Lona) since i post 11 pics / day and also fave and comment triple ammount just to get attention from flickr.
And yes, Neva faves all 11 pics cuz thats what we do. We dedicate our time to faves and comments in flickr. And yes, seek “fame” so that we can end up in gossip comments, written by characters who never spoke a word to us actually, but seem to know us very well.
Keep up with the great work, boo & may our names be forever on your lips!
Did you ever find those receipts for the Book of Daniel money?
Also at least Boo has a job instead of spending his days making poses.
who are you again ?
Hahaha virtual-secrets going down hill I see..
All it is now is tit for tat.. Nothing juicy at all..
Why not put this to some good use and post copybotters etc
All you ever see now is who dumped who, and who is out to get who..
You don’t have to read it, participate in it or care. You choose to be here, so don’t complain.
You’re always free to make your own secrets.
But I come here to find them out lmfao!
I don’t know any secrets.. Most are aired on facebook..
It would be nice for some juice here and there!
#9 I’m going to put an unpopular opinion out there for some perspective. While I personally don’t -like- that people take things from external creators and upload them here without changing it; if they’re royalty free; that’s what they’re for. I’m also not against designers using items that are made from someone else to speed up their pipeline if the majority of the item was made by them. Buckles/buttons are a good example of this.
Countless times I’ve seen models from Turbosquid in normal games, I’ve even worked for a studio that got a lot of their filler from Turbosquid or other sources (Legitimately, mind you, a lot of those models are royalty free)
It’s not illegal to do that if you purchase them legitimately. I want to know where customers draw the line. Is it OK for a designer to use other people’s royalty free photoshop brushes but not royalty free mesh? What about something simple like free IMM belt brushes for Zbrush? What about textures/patterns?
Most hair designers use a hair base taken from google images that isn’t royalty free and edit it. Half of them use someone else’s Zbrush IMM that is already pre-unwrapped.
Even the biggest name designers use someone else’s brushes for their items.
You’d be surprised at how many people use flowers that they did not make.
Bet you’ve never seen a kimono without the use of someone else’s textures.
This shit is rampant but a lot of the time you’d never know without a keen eye for it, and honestly it’s very common within and outside of SL.
While the person in this secret didn’t make the item their own or change it much there really is a double standard here for calling people out.
I get what your saying but fully disagree if that store is calling their items original mesh. It’s 100% not and it’s more like using a template but you might have to edit it slightly to optimize it for second life. Honestly, you could even say stores who commission exclusive mesh should NOT be able to call their mesh original because they didn’t make it. It would more so be exclusive mesh (aka their store has the sole rights to sell that object) but customers want original mesh because it’s been marketing as far superior to these “nasty” templates. If you are going to wear an outfit for a couple days and spend 500-800L on it and never wear it again that is just silly, I’d rather spend 100-200L and get an outfit if you treat clothes as disposable. But it’s no wonder designers cut corners since buyers want ORIGINAL MESH (designers really screwed themselves with this in a way, making templates taboo in elite events *but only for most stores, some special snowflakes still use templates*) and at template outfit level costs like 200-300L per color. I do think using premade buttons on say a tuxedo that you’ve created yourself by hand is different than buying a tuxedo off squid turbo putting a little flower pin on the tuxedo and calling it original mesh. It’s like cooking for scratch, is it really scratch if you didn’t grow the wheat yourself then ground the flour by hand to make your pizza dough? No, most people consider from scratch mixing all of the dough ingredients together which it can be the same way in designing because it requires actual effort. If you use a small amount of premade things then it’s OK to call it original to most people in the… Read more »
Problem is most sites like turbosquid specifically ban using their models in games like second life. In fact turbosquid specifically meantions second life as being banned. From they’re site:
Using TurboSquid products in Virtual Worlds.
This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. However, the use is allowed if the MMO is a closed MMO, like World of Warcraft. More specifically, the 3D model may not be exported or sold.
What was said in public should have been in private with her team only. Her delivery was out of line, but take away the harshness of it – bloggers should give proper credit and link backs. We all know the way that was handled wasn’t right; however, I’d like to address is the submitter. Everyone deserves fair treatment, but it sounds as if you’re either:
a) uninformed; or
b) a blogger with entitlement issues
The statement that her bloggers are doing it “for free” is absurd. Sponsored bloggers for brands are not promoting “for free”. They are paid with products in exchange for their advertising power. Check the definition of “sponsorship” if you need further clarification.
Vale Koer – a pure disgrace talking about people in that manner. Why address an entire blog team publicly for the mistakes of a few?! Customers must love reading a foul-mouthed, brainless tirade, right? I’ll never buy her crap again. Blogging is a partnership, I hope her bloggers respect themselves enough to quit her team.
LOL if someone broke rules.. then that’s their fucking problem! Follow rules or fuck off.. End of story..
Just because she is very out spoken and says it how it is, does not mean she is a bad person at all..
If you can’t take the truth don’t be a blogger.. Because your feelings are going to get hurt, that’s how it is..
Crediting the right things, is the most simple but important thing to do with blogging, if you can’t do that shit right.. Then why are you fucking blogging it?!?!
Trying not to be an ass about this but, people don’t understand at all!! The blogger knew it wasn’t credited properly but still posted it.. So.. Where do you go from there?? Oh yeah, no where because the blogger always gets away with it.. hmm naw.. Sorry but this shit got to stop with bloggers getting the sympathy vote alllll theee fuuuuckkinnng timmmme… !!
You do it wrong, fuck off.. end of story!
What you are saying is that creator’s do not under any circumstances have the right to speak on an issue that is bothering them? If the rant was not published on her stores FB page or website and it was published on her personal facebook account than the bottom line is, no matter how upset it makes you, it’s not wrong. Just because it made people angry doesn’t mean she did something wrong. Creator’s are people too with feelings and emotions and we are allowed to express those feelings in any way shape or form we feel. IF you do not like reading her rants delete her as was stated above. Bloggers rant about creator’s daily on FB. No one says peep. The moment a creator speaks out they are evil. Get over it. Move on with your life.
There is no respect anymore for creators and all they do to make this platform alive and bring more people to the game. Period.
Blogging is a hobby, a blogger doesn’t even have to credit you at all if they didn’t want to. They can just take a photo and put it on the blog. Not all bloggers are perfect, they don’t get paid, they don’t have to answer to you.
Should they blog all events and items they are using? Sure. Some are new or not understanding or just do thing their own way. it’s their blog, not yours. It’s their hobby and how they do it is completey up to them.
You could do it though the adult way and professionally instead of acting like an abusive jerk over it. Ask a blogger hey, can you please link to this or that. You know, like a respectable adult.
You lose credibility if you act like a jerk over it. People have a right to fight back against abusive ways.
I have been in the customer service industry for 30 years, in the real world this behavior would not be ok for any reason. If you want to act like that, then don’t complain when people fight back. People have a right to stand up and be against bad behavior like this. Most of us live in a free world with free speech, so yes she had a right to say what she wants. But it doesn’t mean she doesn’t have right to learn the consequences of disrespectful behavior.
Adults, is what we need on Second Life. Not self righteous abusive juveniles thinking they are above anyone and can abuse them due to it.
Being an adult isn’t that hard. Try it sometime.
The reason Why you can’t continue this conversation is because you know that you’re wrong and you’ve never had a job or even been in a position where you’ve had people working for you. So you’re right for your sake let’s stop here ?
No its run by humans.. lmfao!
If you get why I said humans, we don’t need to carry on this pointless conversation…
So that is how a business should be run ? talking shit about people who works for you in public ? i know SL has very low standards and yes i would expect trash from someone who has just set up their store ,with no idea on how to gain good PR and reputation. But you are so right , i will move on , i will delete and remove , there is plenty of other stores where i want to spend my money. I was just confused there for a minute, as I thought Vale Koer was run by adults and not a bunch of adolecsents . So thanks for clearing that up.
Its not difficult on any level. I am not an ignorant on the issue. But also. She can rant where and when ever she wants. It’s her right to rant. She did NOT mention any names. She just mentioned bloggers. IF you don’t like it simple thing is to remove. Delete. And get on with your life. After all it is just text. You can discard of the text easily enough by removing the person.
Why is it so difficult to understand that, this is not about her telling off the bloggers? It is WHERE she did it. LOL Congratulations for being ignorant on the whole issue. Yes, bloggers need to be told if they do not do their work. Yes, they should be kicked out. And that should be done within the group or a private message. Putting them on blast in public is not only unprofessional, it screams of an insecure person who doesn’t have her shit together. Who needs to bash others publicly to gain sympathy. Every designer has at some point had to tell off their bloggers. Every boss in the world has had to do that. They DO NOT do it on Facebook, twitter or Instagram, unless you are related to Donald Trump. So, ffs It is not about WHAT she said, its WHERE she said it. You are not going to tell me that Mya, if she does anything else with her life than being on SL, that she would want her boss to scold her in public and even do it when she wasn’t even present. Because Mya did NOT tag the bloggers. No, she scolded bloggers without tagging them. And people (few) are supporting that LOL She must be giving out free shoes to keep you guys on her side or you are just basically not capable of getting it. There are greater and bigger brands on SL with blogger teams, they are not on Facebook airing out their dirty laundry for likes.
I’m not sure what Mya said but if she addressed a whole group to clear up misunderstandings about the brand blogging requirements it doesn’t seem to be a Big Thing. In many workplaces the management decides to hold a meeting of everyone to discuss what is acceptable and what isn’t, due to a mistake made by a couple people. It’s fairly commonplace. Is it so wrong to have requirements for bloggers? (Not unreasonable ones, obviously.)
Otherwise,you are absolutely correct, blogging is a partnership. Both sides should treat each other with the courtesy that is expected of business colleagues. That includes tone of voice and choice in words.
If I had a meeting where I told the people who work for me to “get it right or fuck off” I’d lose my job.
It’s not unreasonable to have a calibration meeting. It IS unreasonable to treat people who work for you like that.
Totally agree, there has to be some fair rules in place for both parties to benefit. It was the public bashing and “do it right or fuck off” rant that I think is totally shitty.
If you don’t know what she said or did what are you commenting on ? How about you read the post first ? Addressing a whole group on Facebook ,where the bloggers are not tagged but just spoken about like they were trash , is not be acceptable .
Its funny how bonkers creators have gotten with this week’s latest LL price gouging, eh?
*chows down on more popcorn*
People who actually shop DRD love the attitude and sarcasm of the creators and management- and since there is no one else in SL who even comes close when it comes to the style of items they create and sell, it’s highly unlikely that the butthurt of casuals who’ve maybe hit a gacha here and there will make even the slightest hiccup in their bottom line. In fact, I may go find something to buy right now just because I appreciate their blunt honesty.
Kraftwork and PocketGacha can fuck off.
Umm. Huh? Is this a reply to something?
This backdrop stuff is getting ridiculous. Why are these backdrop creators okay with people going to photography sims? How are they able to justify seeing Backdrop City as some sort of “theft” but not photography sims? Not to mention there have been free to use photo studios set up in SL for pretty much as long as there have been photo studios in SL which is pretty much most of SL’s history.
It’s so fucking asinine. You are getting publicity. But instead of capitalizing on it, you’re behaving like spoilt brats. You had an opportunity to get sales from this place. I bought studios after using them for free at other places or furniture or homes after seeing them on photography and friends’ sims. I might’ve done the same here. That is, if I’d ever even heard of the place, which before your drama llama antics, I hadn’t.
If I buy your items I get to use them however I want (shy of copybotting, ofc). If I want to share them with my friends or on my public sim, I get to do that. If Backdrop City was using stolen goods, that would be another story. But it’s on the up and up and the irony is it seems the loudest mouth in all of this, the owner of Astralia, is a fucking IP infringing thief herself!
If I were an event owner I’d be really rethinking letting her participate because it just makes events look like they don’t care about the integrity of their designers to allow someone who is caught stealing artwork/participating in IP infringement to continue to be part of their events.
I hope her store goes down in flames. It probably won’t, but it ought to after this.
When I joined SL in the early days, the club I went to had a photo studio with poses. They didn’t make it, they bought it from a SL shop. It was there for nooblets like me to take our profile pics, must have had 20 poses, 30 backdrops, and a few lighting effects. I changed my profile pic like every week in my first year, I used it all the time. Never once did some salty ass creator show up and whine.
When I created my kid avatar, the adoption agency also had a kid themed photo studio which I also made use of for my panel pic and my profile pic. Never once did a salty ass creator storm in complaining.
So why now? Why aren’t they asking to put in vendors so people who visit can buy the backdrops? Why aren’t they sponsoring it to get traffic?
And the IP theft.. is just hilarious. “You can’t use my backdrops for free but I can make actual money off pop culture art that I don’t own and did not draw/create myself without the IP owners permission”. You know.. that’s SL. It’s gone on since almost the beginning and it’s a dodgy gray area because so many of us love our pop culture/geek stuff in SL.
But hell, if you’re going to whine about “theft”, make sure you are not actively doing it yourself.
I’d never head of Backdrop City until I came here. I’m grateful.
#10 – Wasn’t Rebecca already with him? This isn’t her first time with him. You sound like a jealous ex. Get over it and move on boo.
The person who wrote it said “again” in which clearly stating that she chose him yet again. That’s the pattern for Manx though. Going through ex by ex, rinse and repeat. He already accused, harassed, and threatened the one he thought submitted it who had no clue or idea until he messaged her about it. He been messaging her a lot lately over random stupid shit that he could simply look up. She’s a friend of mine so I had to look and clarify the obvious. She had no part of it as Manx has a reputation himself and she doesn’t really know Rebecca other than the few times they met at his failed project of a roleplay community/live music venue so why would she? I mean really? Seems like they both stepped on the wrong toes of someone over a secret that they submitted months ago over Rebecca’s ex. So what goes around comes around. I just wish they stopped pointing fingers, that he would leave that certain ex alone, and just go on and live their SL lives. No one knows Alpha as much and as well as that ex he been harassing does so that’s why he is constantly on her tail. She moved on, he needs to quit accusing her. Point blank.
Exactly, it was directed towards Rebecca who Manx’s ex hardly even knows so why was he pointing fingers and messaging his ex who really doesn’t give a flying fuck. Is he butt hurt she told him to politely fuck off? How convenient for him to bother her. Why not bother someone Rebecca dated or knows if it’s directed towards her? The secret as a whole is uncalled for but you know what Alpha submitted the Smokin one a few weeks back so I guess Rebecca finally got served a bit of “what goes around comes around”. It’s childish and petty. That’s all. Cheers to new beginnings though for all 🙂
Ok, this secret was obviously directed towards Rebecca as her name was addressed. Why not address Manx?
No one cares about who knows who better and I am sure Rebecca would want to move on, however, like I said earlier, this post was addressed to her. Not only was it addressed to her, this was submitted last minute as they changed their picture late Saturday evening. It seems a bit stalkerish, but hey, live your SL how you want to and Rebecca/Alpha can do the same. Who cares who Rebecca is dating. It does not directly affect yours or anyone’s life in any way. This secret was uncalled for, no matter who submitted it.
What I don’t get is, and I mean I get the point of virtual-secrets but why the fuck is the individual who posted this so obsessed to stalk Rebecca and post a secret with a picture less than twenty four hours old? Also what happened to the submission deadline? How did someone post a secret for Sunday when the picture was taken Saturday night? Someone is hellbent on talking shit but can’t worry about their own miserable life to stalk someone else’s. Go after the target and stop talking shit about people who have nothing to do with your business with Manx. If you need the D boo, there’s plenty to go around.
Add these to the list –
Twain Orfan – Bad pictures and even worse ‘interviews’
He will award anything just to get his name on your stream.
He claims he’s ‘taking a break’ again!!
Why do these people feel their so important they need to announce when they take a break?
Charly Keating – Over processed pictures. Have you seen the one she did of Skippy?? O.o LOL
She loves posting all the group headers she’s gets – big fucking wow. so what!
Aww Twain and Charly have broken up again.
Prob jealousy about how many groups they can get their pictures into as that’s the reason she dumped him last time. She got very upset when he went PRO.
I’ll give it a few days and they’ll be back with each other as usual.
#18 im sorry but alot of bloggers are lazy as f*ck. yeah they help the designer but without the designer hooking them up they have nothing to blog..im sure it gets sickening to say things nice after saying it a million times. ;p
#20 powdery ass astralia can stick her secret socks up her ass.
and everyone getting laid in SL… good for you… we’re all adults (well most of us) do whatever you want with your free time.
I agree that secret sock wasn’t worth shit
# 18 i dont know this person , but that Facebook post is unprofessional and pretty immature .If this was my brand i would not want my blogger manager talking about my bloggers in this manner ,even if they didnt do their job as expected. If someone spoke about her work in that manner she probably wouldnt like it. It is a shame that these types of issues can not be handled privately . Maybe learn to handle your blogger issues within private messages as rude blogger managers gives the brand a really bad reputation.
I’m just gonna say one thing, People are starting to hate on creators because there is an absurd ongoing association of designers to corporations, somehow, they think we are greedy rich people trying to suck money out of their wallets in any circumstance. This line of thougth is toxic and is going to generate consequences no one is going to enjoy. Few, FEW, designers on the grid are making a lot of money and that’s usually because they have more than one people involved in their teams creating for them or rigging for them, whatsoever, decreasing the time between releases and increasing productivity which keeps the traffic flow to their stores. Also, some people are rising to the top using stolen content, like templates that are clearly derivated from The Shops or other brands like that to create appliers and stuff. As much as there are loyal and ethical customers that does care about us creators and maintaining the balance of the grid’s economy, there are a huge number of people that doesn’t give a single shit whether the item they’re getting is stolen or not, if it’s copybotted and sold on MP by some random person or not. In their own words, “Its cheaper” or “it looks better than the original”. Then, these exact same people have the nerve to come here and demand from creators some scrape of ’empathy’ because they think we are monsters to even consider the fact that making a backdrop city like that could hurt the sales of this category of items. (I don’t make backdrops so I don’t get hurt by that directly but I choose to defend creators as I am one of them and I, alongside many others, have realized this recent wave of hate against us) We come here everyday,… Read more »
You do realise that when someone purchase a product they then own the right to use it in second life how they like. That includes being able to rez out a product that’s meant to be rezzed out like furniture for everyone to look at and use. You don’t get to dictate to someone who handed you money what is an acceptable use of your product (outside of copybotting that is) that’s not how real life works. Unless you can get a lawyer that draws up some kind of documentation prohibiting that particular use (which good luck honestly) they’re legally within there right to use that backdrop as they see fit. DEAL WITH IT.
Creators lost my sympathy when they adopted the slot machine model of product sales. I think you should be grateful that your hobby allows you to pay your bills and work from home. Designers (for the most part) make a lot more money than I think most people realize.
You are right that art is absurdly hard to sell, especially digitally and in a game where you have varied target groups and passing trends. Most of people regularly active in SL are creators of some sort of media themselves even if not making things in game. There is definitely an overall trend of folks going cheaper and cheaper and into the loss margins – thus far did not see it in SL besides Flickr artists doing character portraits or such.
The backlash is from something totally different – lack of communication or transparency or good will. Backdrops just came up as a topic but I am very sure that if creators sold them as ordinary items and not gacha then their revenue would be back on track. As I said last week – SL is about making your own world so if someone wished to make a parcel full of backdrops – kudos to them.
As for the teams – it is grand that some outsource their work and use templates if they wish but they should credit appropriately so no one in confused. No one expects the creator to run a huge business by themselves.
I guess that Oh well but if its bad for you.. was regarding a post I made. Listen, I did have compassion initially. Then I read where everyone but the creator was at fault. Oh wow poor us, we are smaller business owners. I pointed out business in real life with small business owners at home FAIL. That is a FACT. When you all were making a ton of money none of these places yall speak of were an issue? Now that yall arent making enough money everyone is to blame except no creator should be held responsible? So in no way were any of you all at fault its just us the lowly uploading consumers who are the issues. You all made a blanket statement so I said oh well if this doesnt work for you get another JOB. If in my real life my job wasnt paying me enough I would look at other means for income. PERIOD! But since you want to throw those bones about stolen goods. How many creator making mesh bought Marvelous Designer, bought 3d max studio bought photoshop. So didnt you steal your creation platforms. But we should feel sorry for YOU that your getting ripped off after you stole yourself. Listen I said we are all responsible for the decline in SL. So dont sit here throwing customers under the bus because YOUR NOT MAKING MONEY. Examine yourself. Now if any of these creators crying foul would like to post a picture of them paying for programs then I will be behind you 100 percent. Show me you didnt go on pinterest and steal real world designs from “small little people who are just trying to make an income” then you can have my support. Hell its some creators rocking items from… Read more »
Random Content Creator. This is what I am saying. The decline of this was inclusive of consumers, creators, sl itself. It was never like okay only one person was held liable. I feel like as long as people were making money on sl no one cared. The minute they werent making as much it became a blame game. There are free platforms to create but when your showing me content created in programs that I know arent free and you want me to pay for your item. It should be made in the program you purchased. As it stands if its not. Your stealing too and accusing others of taking from you. They forget the average consumer of SL is not a creator. We have job so when people steal those people LOSE JOBS. So now how is it we the consumers are only to blame. That was my issue on the whole thing. Lets all take responsibility for our part. But I am a whole adult. If i had a job that I was not making what I wanted on I would look for other means of income. I wouldnt drag the consumers and tell them they arent educated, threaten them low key and basically berate them for how they use content they purchased. They PURCHASED it. I really want to ask them if you purchase a dress can you loan it out? Is LVLX knocking on your door to say wow look you bought that dress its just for you. You and 15 of your home girls cant share it because Im not making money on it more than once. Nope you sold it. You no longer have it its no longer yours. If they feel so entitled to tell people what to do with content they create… Read more »
Well there’s a good percentage of creators using free solutions like Blender and GIMP. I personally use Autodesk products for my RL freelance work, which includes SL content. Not only it takes quite longer to produce anything for SL than for the other platforms i create content for, including Unity and UnrealEngine4 marketplace contents. It’s also WAY underpriced. But i talk as one that creates everything from scratch. Also the panoramic HDRI images i use for rendering SL textures are my own, either built in 3D for studio sets or from pictures i take for myself. And i pay for my softwares, especially now with subscription plans it’s easier to stay always on the latest software version. Yet it’s a HUGE expense that, with SL consumers’ mindset, is very difficult to make from SL alone. With that said, i’m not saying i’m with the backdrop creators in question for enforcing a single use of their content. I’m with them saying that they might have sold more copies if Backdrop City wouldn’t expose all those backdrops releases of theirs. All this rant comes from those creators because they made the backdrops “disposable” or “one use only”, plus being a gacha game it ends up costing quite a lot, in the first place. To these creators i would say: go to RL 3D content platforms and see what happens. Over there you give out models in their original file formats like FBX and the buyer can do ANYTHING with it. Also taking my models and uploading to SL and make money off my work. Thing that has happened a few times already. At least SL provides a permission system. To me the problem is: creators believe they are sort of divinities of the 3D environments, when most of them would be kicked… Read more »
This makes loads of sense, yeah, but I just don’t get all the hoopla. I mean gawds, Astralia was the only one I read the past few weeks that totally lost it over this. I think most are being courteous. I admit I was sorta not even understanding until a blogger friend explained this whole drama. Big to do about nothin and it’s getting boring imho.
Dammit MentalKaos, I was cracking my knuckles and ready to blast back at this nonsense when I saw that you’d beaten me to it – and in a much more eloquent manner!
Well said. I’m glad I’m not alone in this way of thinking.
Everyone that goes to places like backdrop city can genuily fuck off and leave second life.
do you really think astralia and others didn´t spend hours to create the backdrops? and you only go there and use it without feeling bad. i am sure everyone can spend 299-499L for a backdrop. there are many picture taking sims on second life you don´t have to visit this kind of new trend in second life you better go direct to the event and buy yourself a backdround you like without posing in front of them.. if you have no money use your wall in your house and decorate it make your own backdrop be creative!
1. No everyone can not afford the 500L for a backdrop they’re going to use only once. Some people are on limited incomes. Those kinds of people are going to invest what little money they have on something the can use over and over. I’ve been in that position before and it sucks but you deal with the hand your dealt. How privileged of you to assume everyone has money to spare.
2. You don’t get to dictate what your customers can do with the products they buy unless you have some kind of legal precedent to do so. Sorry. Deal.
3. Backdrops for photos and photo sims have been around for a very long time in SL. I’ve personally been in SL 8 years now and I know for a fact that I was using publicly available backdrops even then. In fact, I have some of the images I made using them on my flicker at this very moment. Having that kind of thing available to me as a new player in SL encouraged me to stick around and ultimately spend money in second life. Your greed is very short sited indeed.
“Everyone that goes to places like backdrop city can genuily fuck off and leave second life.” Yes, lets kill Second Life even more because SL society has turned ugly. We have less than half of the users on SL than we did in 2008 when I started. Lets just scare off even more people. Eventually, SL will die. Lets tell people who can’t afford it, they aren’t worthy. This will include people on fixed income, becuase SL isn’t for the poor… Sl helps many, who cannot afford it. I know a few friends who are severely disabled, can’t afford anything and love to be on here. It helps them cope with tragic situations of their physical life. But you trash on people anyway. Lets just treat customers and clients as if they are beneath you. Yeah, that will keep SL going … right into the trash. This is NOT a new kind of trend, this has been around since I started and will be around much longer. I don’t tolerate unadult rude behavior towards others for going to a type of place that’s been here for ages. A big amount of people on Second Life, can’t afford to spend money on Second Life.. some eventually find a way to spend a little. But you would rather they just leave Second Life, as if you are somewhat better than them.. and they are beneath you. What you need to do.. is grow up. I will never support a creator that treats anyone this way, it’s uncallled for, disrespectful and childish. Selfish, disrespectful attittudes like yours will just push people away from Second Life. When that income dies, who’s fault will it be? Yours and people like you. You discourage anyone from staying here. You need to grow up and be adult.… Read more »
K Well as a casual player in SL, places like Backdrop City is good, I don’t feel the need to spend money on an item I will use once. Just to take 1 pic for my profile. If you are that GREEDY and self righteous that you think your silly backdrop is some god send that you spent months making (and we all know you spent maybe a week or two making). Then YOU need to GTFO of SL because its people like YOU who are destroying SL’s community. I 100% support creators however, I will never support some greedy person who can’t see buying an item to use once and then having no use for it ever again is a poor investment. Once someone buys something its THEIR right to use it how they want. If they want to put it on their land THEY are paying for and have who the hell ever come use it that’s THEIR right!!!! It would be like if you bought a car IRL and then shared it with your friends and the car maker is telling you that you are wrong for doing that and your friends need to buy their own car. Pull your head out of your self righteous ass get off your high horse and stop thinking you are above others. If people sharing backdrops is THAT detrimental to your sales then maybe you should find something else to make or get another job.
That’s absurd, you don’t get to decide how much someone else’s work is worth because you feel two weeks is less valuable than months working on an item. Lol
Dear anonymous backdrop creator,
I am a blogger who buys his own backdrops and use them on my platform simply because I like the privacy of my own home. FYI not everyone can buy every single backdrop that comes out more importantly they can’t spend 2 – 5k on a gotcha just trying to get one backdrop that they need for their blog . I would like to know what store you own so I can make sure that I never buy any of your backdrops your unprofessionalism is a complete turn-off and I will not support you! You didn’t just lose a customer because of backdrop City you lost a customer because you’re a fucking asshole!
It’s funny how content creators are whining about how it is wrong to share items but still are accepting BDC’s money to get their gacha items out for public use. It’s hilarious honestly. Content creators cannot pick and choose how their products are being after sale.
“If you don’t have the money to buy backdrops, there are photography sims in Second Life” (paraphrasing, because you type like you’ve had a stroke).
Where is the difference? Please explain to me how these photography sims that you’re condoning are different than something like Backdrop City? Should the photography sims not be ashamed that they’re offering a free service to the masses OFF THE HARD WORK OF DESIGNERS?!?
Fuck off. I’m straight up going to open one of these if for some reason Back Drop City closes, simply to spite you obnoxious creators.
@Nuri once you have the receipt if you wanna jerk off all over it . its yours to do so with. case closed.
Backdrops are made and sold exclusively with the purpose of use them for taking photos, are not the same than any other kind of furniture… the differences are quite obvious.
Funny how many people disagree with your easy peasy rant and maybe you could follow your own advice and go f**k off yourself as you are probably one of the original instigators *as it has been said time and time again FREE photo studios have been here since beginning of SL so get your panties out of a twist and crawl back to your ass kissing friends as looks like very view agree with you
i see a powder trail from the easy peasy post.
Even creators have them in shop like whole wheat or wheat toast … my memory is dodgy.
lmao ur so lame Astralia said herself backdrops are a 1 time use item, so why spend 500L for something to throw away? Or are only hers good? I’ll stick to buying Rama. So much less dramatic
#18. Probs not a good way to talk to people in general. Just sayin. Specially in facebook.
#12 What is this? Gawds, impossible to read other than the large font headers. And not sure what this is even about as I have a friend who blogs for Pocket Gachas and they just had a blogger call for adding more and are nice enough to pay them too.
#15 Totes agree, L’etre is always packed with people! Why is that??
gonna guess because some men’s skins from popular stores (The skinnery and stray dog are two I know do this) required they’re body appliers.
Swear we should really make a soap opera YouTube channel for second life tv show
So true about Hikaru only features himself in his mag or his asshole partner who thinks hes the most important person on SL
He’s really a she in RL just in case you were unaware
That magazine is only to feature himself. The advertisment within it is to feature himself more by displaying himself within a publication with popular creators/items.
lmao ikr such a joke
This week has quite a few gems to Lol over with my morning coffee:
The Backdrop Drama saga continues! Everybody make sure to have popcorn ready as we continue to watch certain creators “bite the hands that feed them” no creditable blogger is gonna want to touch them with a 10 foot pole at the rate they are going.
11… My personal favorite of this week; not sure how much of it is true. And well, I happen to like Skippy who has been nothing but sweet and kind from what I’ve seen….. but I still could help but laugh my ass off… so A+ on witty.
i been in a relationship with two of the peoplefrom #2 and MARRIED one. we are married still. Is this true or not? because i would like to know, he said the reason he is afk a lot is cause he work late shifts
Wait, what? This is all super sketch and why are you in a relationship with two and married to one. OMG, lawls…I am so trying to to laugh at this. Really?
i dated two of these people BEFORE and ended up getting married to a third person on the list, over some years. obviously i did not kno they were the same person. youre an idiot
Seriously you better get a grip and realize what is going on
okay and what is actually “going on” because all i see is some names on a damn list! that don’t prove a thing
well damn. If its in SL Secrets its gotta be true. LOL
Lol second life is a game! Of course you are Not married !
Well boo. I guess we’re Sister-Wives because I married him too
Oh, honey. Think it’s time for a conversation. This guy is scum.
Oh, honey. I think it’s time for a conversation.
#18 This is quite literally the pettiest and brattiest shit anyone could say about my Mya. You posting this saying the same shit you said openly to our face shows the level of professionalism you strive for. Any blogger who’s followed our guidelines would prize mya for the effort she’s put into making sure we’re happy and our bloggers are happy. Stick to your own shit and stop sticking your nose into others business.
You sir missed a favour those bloggers were doing for you. They credited you and not whole event plus given a landmark to your shop and I presume you have latest release notes with teleports to events. This way both you and the event get traffic.
She is not professional. I get that you need to defend her because of your personal relationship but this is not the first time i have heard of her tantrums. It is foolish to believe that your brand does not get affected by how your staff act around people who are working with you. If the concern is bloggers, then deal with them. Posting about problems within your store group does reflect badly on your brand. Partners of store owners has been known to single handedly put off customers . Save your brand before it gets to that. Do not have someone who cant control her emotions destroy your work.
If you defend your employee, partner, w/e when they act that way for people who advertise for you- without being paid- you deserve any damage to your business that results from your ignorance.
The way Mya handled it may have been pretty off, but as a former blogger, she’s not wrong.
Why would you link a main store slurl if the item you’re blogging isn’t at the main store? Logic would say “link the event so people know exactly where to get it” wouldn’t it?
Too bad logic doesn’t seem to be a thing people have anymore. I can understand her frustration.
That does make sense, but also, keep in mind that the event won’t be open forever. Blog posts will stay public long after the event is closed, and many people reference past posts on blogs when they shop. This way, they know where to go after the event is done and the item is no longer located there.
Bob, Vale Koer owner says:
Stop it Mya pretending your Bob, we all know he’s abit of a mouse and wouldn’t comment on here.
People dont understand what they dont know. Which is why they shouldnt even bother commenting but they do because secrets goes with morning coffee. I’m sure if it were their brand and while they are working on a release get bombarded with im’s, notecards, flickr messages etc over something done lazily they would understand. Maybe it could have been handled different but maybe it was said to the blogger 50 times already after 49 times the attitude starts to change. Its called being human.
Who even wears Vale Koer anymore? It’s just the same boring shit over and over. Athletic wear for people who can’t touch their toes in RL.
Yeah, the comment by Mya was cunty.. but the bloggers (who are the only people who realistically wear VK) will bend over and take it just to stay on the blogger team. Designers and their little circlejerk could piss in these peoples’ faces and they’d beg for more just to be noticed by them.
Good luck with your ugly attitude, you need it 😉
Na I just choose to be a rude cunt towards shidiots who come telling me or anyone else how to act and run my shit or that I need luck to keep doing what I’ve been doing. Literally no ones business depends on the same amount of people that you amass from some social site to come give you thumbs up, and if it does for you, then you got your priorities messed up. Watch VALE KOER doing another great release, our amazing bloggers making fantastic posts with them and everyone loving it in a week while “Imawesome” is still bringing it up to their friends in messenger how they sure showed us lol. Fuck off be realistic.
Hmm Bob you are obviously a rude cunt too but well good luck with your store after this 😉
nods. also when bloggers sign up to blog for a shop they have to read the rules and proceed with the application if they agree. If its so hard to correctly link an event maybe they should find a different past time. I mean your getting free stuff no you don’t get paid but its a fair trade and what you won’t do someone else gladly will.
What people don’t understand is that their little social media gangbangs don’t affect mine or honestly any other SL brand that releases quality products that sell themselves. And no I’m not talking about our bloggers or any other bloggers I’m talking about the SL Facebook/plurkers who take themselves waaaay too seriously.
Jesus, you developers are so full of yourselves and think you can talk to anyone anyway you want to. It’s fucking disgusting. Reality check, douche bag – no one HAS to buy your shit. You NEED us to put money in your pockets and make your store successful. Get the fuck off your high horse and at least pretend to be humble and not a dick in the public eye. Maybe some of you should stop worrying about bloggers and think about finding someone that can help you handle PR, because you fucking suck at it.
You can get put on the list of who not to support under those idiots Astralia and PocketGacha.
“your Mya” is a rude cunt but well, nice try to defend her 😉
Well Bob your darling Mya is sure going to ruin your brand with her rudeness towards your bloggers and buyers, the way she behaves as if she is the one creating your products , goodluck with that though maybe Astralia can give you a few tips on how to ruin your buisness.
I am not the owner of Vale Koer ???
It is probably good that you clarified that , as you do come across as if you do. Maybe if you did take ownership of the brand, and treated it as if it was your own, you would act more responsible ,when dealing with the work around the brand.
then you fuck up your boyfriends brand by purpose cause you are not the owner? even more funny 😉
As in Mya, moderator of the kinggoon copybot crew? Mya Milena, Athenax Babii etc.
Still makes me laugh.
First of all I’m not married never have been never will be the second of all I didn’t dump her she left me sadly.. thirdly it is the only person I have ever met and well there you go second life secrets again with their incorrect misformed information about peoples lives.. well it’s good to sit there and add more hurt and pains at people’s misfortune is already
It is slime like you, who delegitimizes the many fundraising events in SL for people in genuine need. Your Go Fund Me page, and the Saving Sight event, how many people know, as “not buying ur bullshit” said, that it funded one of your Bali trips? Or the gifts you lavished on a select few?
You sick fuck, I for one, cannot wait for the day your lies and treachery are laid bare for those people who you have deceived to see.
And if you’re going to claim that you aren’t married, never have been, never will be, that poor bitch you live with might be a little saddened to know that. Of course, unless she is part of your scam.
Dear Jet, you should feel ashamed of yourself, lying about your health, to make those who still believe in your delusional lies, sorry for your ass, you lie to every victim crossing your path, but remember: “karma is a c**t more than you are” 🙂
but the truth is that u really ARE a liar, its really sad and pathetic that ur still trying to tout urself to be some kind of good guy. u wreck friendships, force people into awkward situations, try to fuck anything that moves and get butt hurt when u get shut down. why dont u try being honest with urself for once – own the fact that ur a complete scumbag and grow from there. And btw, aren’t u supposed to be dead already? u said you had 18 months, its been over 2 years now. ur saving sight event had so many people fooled, hope the vacay in bali was worth it and ur fam know you scammed people 4 the cash!!
#13 Not that I advocate relationships from SL > RL but just want to remind people that it takes two. I am not sticking up for this guy but regardless of whether this guys lies through his teeth, it’s also the girls’ fault in being so naïve in thinking there could be something and flying to him with the intentions of meeting up with him – of course they will fuck. So don’t act all surprised when he dumps your ass and disregards you.
You are disgusting. The truth will come to light, and when it does.. kiss any credibility you are clinging to goodbye.
Lies on Lies on Lies….Only one (ONE?!!!!) you have flown there? Can think of no less than 3. Lets be honest now.
Skippy’s such a sweet person. Really humble and very talented, always has a kind word for everyone.
I don’t care how old or which gender a person who posts pics on Flickr is. I have no idea who adopted who and what kind of roleplay people have. Neither do I care much about the personality of someone who post said pics. I normally don’t like child avatars or roleplay characters.
The truth is that Skippy has well done and creative pics, in my opinion. That’s why I follow him and randomly fave his pics. I am glad he faved one of mine back in the days and made me aware of his pictures.
There are hundreds of barbie bloggers who spend hours taking pics of their pouty, glossy lips and boobage every day. There are a some great landscape photographers who I use often to find new places to visit… and there are a few who post detailed pics with a lot of thought and humor. Skippy is one of those.
Thank you Skippy, for giving us something less brainless to look at 🙂
Great that you are supporting skippy But not everyone has the same experience with him. I know many find him creepy , he does seem to live on Flickr . Also the whole old man in a little boys body does not sit well with many , me included. Great for him that he has a huge following, he has worked very hard on Flickr to gain that following. It is not from his pictures . As theres many even more talented than him who doesnt spend every minute on Flickr commenting and giving stars. Skippys little boy persona is what people fall for. Not the elderly man who has a deranged obsession with being a child .He walks around Sl name dropping on his “best friends” that always just happens to be the latest designer who made it big. Neva gave Skippy the platform he has now. Theres a reason why she is not associated with him anylonger. He is not a child , i think thats where people need to start when discussing him.
I knew Skippy back when he was a DJ at a place called the Velvet. He was still using a kid avatar but when he DJ’d there and he was also partnered to the club manager he would use an adult avatar. Yes, an adult avatar, can you even imagine it? Anyway, he wasn’t known at all in the flickr world then or famous whatsoever, and he was always nice and genuine to me and others (i’m Paradox Messmer in SL btw). I can also confirm that he did do voiceovers, and he is definitely a guy IRL, not that this matters at all. While we sadly don’t talk anymore, I just feel that he attaches himself to people like Neva and other SLebrities because he really does genuinely like them, he looks up to them because they’re so talented and creative. He’s a creative guy, so he’s drawn to other creative people who love SL photography as much as he does. That is possible, you know, not everyone is in it for the views and favorites and fame, you gotta consider that possibility.
“Also the whole old man in a little boys body does not sit well with many , me included.”
Well get over yourself. If he isn’t engaging in little boy/grown adult sex play, leave him alone. Second Life allows you to do anything you like, be a female, be a cat, be a kid, be a robot, be a vampire, be a 56′ Studebaker. No one owes you any information about their First Lives.
Also Im beginning to wonder if Skippy is even a guy. Not only do we need to start with he is not a child when discussing him — I think we need to start with why no one has heard him on voice in all these years. After six years of knowng him Ive not heard him speak when others are speaking in voice. he will be the only one not on voice not speaking n always have excuse why.
And, well said.
I don’t care if he is a 90-year-old three-headed Iranian Centaur who lives in Cleveland. I judge an artist by their art, not their personal life. His pictures always tell a wonderful story and they are well done.
When you call someone a coattail rider, a Flickr leech, ect…it kind of is the point. I don’t know any of these people, I don’t care about any of these people’s personal lives. Second Life is supposed to be a portal into whatever you want it to be. The account has 9.7K followers…THAT is what I think gets people’s gooses, if he was following 18K there might be some credence to what is being said (Like a lot of people do to get higher followers) but he doesn’t He’s only following 2/3 of his followers. THAT is what I look at when I’m following people back who follow me….but I started following Skippy because of a pic I saw in a group, didn’t know anything about this fluffy puff until today. If you don’t think his pics are keen, put your links up. Let’s compare. If you want to bitch about someone’s actions in SL or whatever then provide some effin facts. Not this “he may not be a kid” “I don’t think he’s sincere” “He doesn’t voice” crap. It just comes off as petty.
That’s great that you think his pics are so well done. But that’s not the point. His name dropping of other designers and big names within SL must stop. His faving of every single picture on his steam is not genuine. He favs to get favs. He comments to get comments. The guy is fake to the core.
Sorry but now that I am reading more of these posts on this Skippy dude and hearing he is an old man playing a child and being adopted in SL? WTF!! This is disgusting. I’m sorry but the age play stuff is creepy as hell.
Before you stand up for Skippy:
A. Skippy is not humble. You truly must not be within Skippy’s inner circle.
B. Skippy says kind words to everyone to get more favs and comments on Flickr. FACT.
C. Skippy favorites EVERY SINGLE photo he comes across on his Flickr feed for more favorites for his pics.
D. Skippy doesn’t even like half of the pictures he favorites. He’s self-absorbed.
E. Skippy is an elderly man posing in a child avatar. This child avatar helps him get his way.
F. How dare you tell the child avatar, “No.” He will throw a child fit.
G. Skippy cares about himself and only himself.
H. Skippy leeches onto popular creators and Flickr artists. He gives a shit less about you regular people.
I. Skippy can’t even come up with his own quotes. He can’t even credit the person quoting them.
@OneNameOnly maybe you should follow your own “good advice” when this is all you can say about someone you never talked to. Just saying 😉
I never heard of Skippy, but to be honest if the guy is a grown man, how is he doing all these pictures? Does he sit online all day and have the taxpayers fund him? Time to be a man, get a job and stop your cartoon life!
Skippy Stats —
Skippy only become popular because he used to be son of Neva. Had he never been her son he would not have been popular. He ride the coattails of Neva til she got rid of him. He deserved that. So why does this old man need to fav EVER SINGLE PIC that comes across his stream. Seriously take a picture of a pile of poop put it up and he will faved it to get a like or a comment for his pictures. He has fav 728 pictures because he is a whore of favs and comments and belongs to 586 groups to spread his pictures in. Theres reason Neva got rid of him. lol
I am definitely not in his “inner circle” so all I have to go off of are is his “kind words” on Flickr so I can’t say anything bad about him because it’s all hearsay for me…
But what I can say is… yeah the comments he leaves on my friends & I’s pics are usually met in thought with “uhhh Ok? Thanks for the kind words even though it makes no sense & sounds like something you regurgitated out of a art critics column without even looking at the actual pic >.>”… but we could be wrong and it’s just a perception of somebody we don’t really know so we just Smile, say Thanks, and leave it at that.
Finishing it off for you:
J. You’re a jealous cunt.
K. You dislike the fact that his pictures get so many, genuine likes.
L. Did you try to adopt him and he declined?
M. No matter what shit you post about Skippy, he shall still get hundreds and hundreds of likes on flickr.
N. So he RP’s a child? And? People RP furries and dragons. And? People play vampires. And?
O. Fuck off back to Nasty’ bitchville and leave the dude alone.
Said from someone who knows him well, someone he has never once asked a dime from and someone who likes his little ray of sunshine posts. Someone who isn’t an online bitter fucktard 😀
I think some people want THEIR naughty secrets on blast….MHMMMMMMMMMMM
I dont see the issue here? Your obviously bored dood. Get a life. Or better yet…post something we can sink our teeth into.
Man I swear to much zooming in or need my 3D glasses to read one of these.
If small designers want to stay small then they are doing it right by abusing everyone SMH LOL. Shit show some class and stature and treat your bloggers right because they are working for you for free. Seriously.
want to read number 12 but can’t click to make bigger. Going through this weeks slowly…
Right click > open image in new tab > go to the url > remove “?resize=600%2C332” from the url > hit enter. Bam, the image is bigger and actually readable.
It was made that small. It sucks and I’m sorry about it. My suggestion to future secret creators: it’s virtual-secrets not SLNovels. Short and sweet works better than long and convoluted.
Go back to original comment from PocketGacha ~ basically it is just repeating what the owner said about laying down the law to their now existent bloggers that it is NOW a big no no to go to backdrop sharing sims and if you do then you cannot be one of their bloggers cuz they forbid it! God has spoken at least the greed mongers think they are ~ just another owner that should be boycotted btw he is partners with Kraftwork owner
Yea…………so dont understand why it all has to be SOOOOOOOOOOOO small. Very annoying !
LMAO!!! Was with 2 of the names in #2 (pun intended) I had the good sense to gtf out of there after easily catching on with the “aks” He will give his nice cars as gifts…but not worth it. Love his pity act.