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I’m a little late on addressing this. But #6 was completely my fault, I didn’t realize when I was testing her application that the goofing around would stick.
I’m not going to read this entire feed to see what people think about # 9…
Let’s do it right though for that ‘Rare’… include a trach cap and a Passy Muir valve.
I doubt its for fashion but at least with the thing the crea made, i can tell people will remember/discover what tracheotomy actually is. Smart move tho
Commoner is a Copy right Greedy Bastard for his Carried in the City Gacha.
VCO’s gachas are hella difficult. I understand that designers wanna eventually make more $L than they would had their stuff been no trans and priced a certain way, but I’ve heard of people trying to get the mesh lips from some of their stuff, spending 30-50k trying to get it. Now thats just messed up. If you’re gonna make a gacha, at least make a little easier for us. I also don’t appreciate how these gachas can be damaging to users with gambling problems. Not to say that the way people choose to spend should be governed over, but up to 50k of bad luck trying to get some damn lips? That’s abusive to customers.
If somebody is spending 50K on lips, they don’t just have a gambling problem – they have a decision making and impulse control problem.
And yet they still would do it and the designer is all the happier.
I’m just saying, I am not a creator, I am a shopper, but I truly feel terrible for what Creators have to go through. That shit’s not easy. Have any of you haterade sippers ever try blender before? I did, I had a dream to design clothes, all I ended up doing was designing a phallic looking ball. Don’t even ask me how. Generally you see people with some semblance of artistry in their personal skill set being able to craft beautiful creations for residents to buy. They don’t HAVE to do it, but they do, and while they do it and spend weeks creating it only to sell it and have people coming back with immaturity and nasty comments because the creator decided to sell THEIR creation for what THEY Feel the effort put into it is worth. It’s not up to you as a shopper, if you don’t like the prices – don’t buy the item, it’s not a difficult concept to comprehend, move on, it’s second life and there are hundreds if not thousands of other places that may be more affordable for you to choose from, if you don’t like those options? Shut up and pay the price being asked. Remember something, if those creators didn’t slave away, sacrifice time away from RL to sit at their computer, construct mesh clothing/furniture/etc, second life would be nothing but a bunch of shady people bitching about eachother, and bitching about the fact there’s nothing to do, nowhere to go, or nothing to buy. Similar to how it already is, without the ability to go shopping. Are you the same kind of people that bitch because fruit prices go up at the grocery store? is your life really that bad? Everything in SL is an option. You can choose… Read more »
The majority of the comments here are not complaining about item pricing, but about the way that gachas circumvent the sales model in favor of the gambling model. I don’t complain about rising grocery prices, but you can bet I would have an issue if I went to buy orange juice and i had to pull a lever and 75% of the time I had to go home with apple juice instead.
And so you can’t compare gachas with normal purchase systems.
So you are comparing a virtual game item you can take part in voluntarily for fun, to a food necessity in RL.
Good to know you have perspective.
Read the comment above mine so your responses are at least informed.
No, but there IS comments complaining about some 2500 optional fee for whatever it was, and also people complaining about collabor88’s pricing, which is in fact not a gacha event, so what they charge for their items there, really isn’t relevant, if you want it – pay for it, if you don’t, don’t get it, why complain that it’s too expensive? As for Gacha sales model vs gambling model, gacha’s have always been a scam, sure the items are adorable, but ultimately you DO end up forking out twice what a combined outfit is worth just to get what you’re after. That’s a choice people make, do they want to spend the extra to gamble? or buy it at a yard sale, for half of what they may spend pulling for it? Once again, why complain about it when there’s other options? Nobody’s pulling teeth to play their gacha machines, there’s tons of yard sales to go to. And surely you WOULD have an issue going to buy orange juice, and having to pull a lever and getting apple juice instead over and over, but why would you do that? Instead of simply going elsewhere, where they offer the orange juice you were wanting, saving you the money on the attempts and ultimately getting the item you want? Creators will still get money from whoever did the pulling to put your item in those yardsales. What argument can contest the fact you can simply go elsewhere if you don’t want to gamble your lindens away? I hate gachas, i’m not lucky, i’d rather go to a yard sale and just get what i wanted.
And this is where I agree.
People who complain about a 75 cents item at C88 have zero understanding of time/cost and what a creator really does make.
Even in C88 most are not making thousands of dollars – it’s hundreds of dollars (esp since they expanded the merchants in it) and the effort to make the item is at least a working week.
So in essence, below minimum wage STILL.
I am so sick and tired of people moaning about buying stuff. STOP BUYING THINGS IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT. Get offline, and leave game playing and Second Life alone. It’s so very simple! You can save at least 30 bucks a month on paying for high speed internet alone!
Hate to burst the bubble but if you are going to do business in any world expect naysayers and whiners. It’s common acceptance in business. And for the record the majority of the people that complain do produce revenue in SL. So if you ask them to leave sl would be an empty ghost town like Tombstone.
blah blah bitch about the arcade blah blah blah
You know, the same “if you don’t like it, no-one is forcing you to do it” argument applies to creators as well. No-one is forcing them to sign up to events or to run themselves ragged to keep up. Just look at how many MIAs there are from various events each opening day…and usually its the same stores month after month. If you can’t handle the work, don’t sign up for the event!
And why is the money creators earn in SL so much more important than the money the single mother struggles to earn in her RL job? I’m betting the vast majority of creators have RL jobs as well, cos how else could they afford to live? Why should the money I work my ass off to earn in RL and in SL fund a better lifestyle for greedy creators?? I have often dropped thousands of lindens in a gacha and the end result nothing but the same commons and no rare! And don’t get me started on the pricings at C88!
As for Arcade…just what is this 2,500L “friend donation” payment going towards? I know I’m not the only one curious. Land rental? I thought the 5K participation fee each creator paid and the ridiculously high sponsor fee went to pay for that. The build? Rubbish, it’s been the same build for years! So…where is this money going?
After years of supporting The Arcade and watching creators, bloggers and customers treated like poop, you’ll now have to do without my lindens. I’ll be supporting the yardsales.
A little thing called ‘the organizer’s wallets’, of course. And maybe, if they’re feeling good, a few small improvements to the build.
And please, before some harpy comes at me with a ‘EVENT ORGANIZERS WORK THEIR ASSES OFF AND DESERVE TO BE PAID’, save it. I full recognize that they work hard. If they really feel they’re not being compensated well enough for the work they put in, they can either stop doing the event, or increase the fees associated with being a creator. It’s not like they’ll stop getting people to create for it. Begging off of their patrons who are already paying for items at the event is trashy.
Again why do you keep complaining? Are you in those events and paying the organizer? I suspect not, so merely you just disagree with an event that you have zero involvement in and also for which you are not forced to purchase from.
It is laughable, petty and just makes you look bitter.
Meanwhile I can’t wait for the next round of events to open!
It’s a free world, babe. No laws against ranting online, even if you have no personal involvement in the thing you’re ranting about. I’m permitted to have an opinion and express it, just as you are.
It seems not only the creators are greedy but the event organizers as well. Of course people don`t notice that since they wear nice masks that covers up the dirt hid beneath but oh well, I guess sometimes the dirt gets clogged and causes the mask to fall off.
The Arcade, Luxe Box, Mix and others all have something in common… a brilliant way to extort money out of everyone involved. The secrets speaks out for themselves in regards to The Arcade, as for Luxe Box, count the amount of people that paid over 1.000 to join the group, receive a few good items amongst crappy ones in selected awful colors and divide that by the participants store plus the organizer, yes. Mix now, well, it is extremely interesting that mix has the same participation fee of Collabor88 although mix has no venue or anything solid whatsoever, basically you release something you would normally in your mainstore and pay 2500 to advertise an event with it.
Do you still think they are that nice now?
I am a creator and I will tell you this, if you’re not satisfied with your income, instead of overpricing, why don’t you up your game? I’ve been in this game for more than 10 years and I see some of the most famous stores releasing things that looks the same as they did 5 years ago (starts with T and ends with eau). Designers sit on their comfort zones and expect people to throw their money at them. But, having a brand in Second Life goes much further than making a simple t shirt or something you saw while walking down your street in RL. Those designers who are on top of the game, they are there for a reason and if you want to win money like them then you should do more and improve your skills because a fairy won’t show up and make that happen overnight. And if you feel offended with this comment t’s because you know you can relate to it, you know you have settled.
Sometimes we feel like we do our best but the truth is we don’t, because we can always go further and try new things, So, to those designers that feels powerless because their wage is getting thinner and thinner along time, fight that and up your game, do not overprice.
#4 Yep Arcunts they’re indeed.
BUT if you play on first day and sell the rare for pull x 50 (MANY are desperate out there!) then I laugh all the way to the bank. And oh yes I do.!
Making 500K plus 4 times a year is easy, Let them eat cake or kale or whatever. I’m laughing!
The whole point of gachas is to get you to spend more than you were otherwise intending to spend. Gambling is fun and exciting but makes absolutely no sense if you really think about it. It’s further compounded by having different color sets in the same machine. The number of times you need to pull in order to get just the full set of commons let alone the rare means you’re going to spend way more than you should because you end up with a million off colored items.
I’m a bit tired of hearing about the “agony” of designing as well. It’s not ditch digging, and it doesn’t take you nearly as long as you imply. Or if it does, then you need to get better at it before relying on it as your primary source of income.
Really well I don’t see designers each month making butt hurt secrets about customers. Every single time it is the I want it to be free crowd or I hate the fact this event exists and I will keep moaning until I explode naysayers.
Get a grip. You don’t like Gacha GREAT. Less lag for the rest of us. You complain about spending 25cents on an item’ well newsflash STOP spending and do something else. Then you have nothing to bore the rest of us over.
If you really want everything for penny’s then start a blog and get free shit from creators. That’s how it is normally done by those who don’t have any dollars to support creators.
Meanwhile we will just labor our asses off 18 hours a day for less than minimum wage so you can admire the newest “pretty”.
What will you do when you have to get off your fat ass and make minimum wage in a real job after second life stops being a viable source of income??? CRy about how minimum wage should be raised for your lazy fat ass?
So, do you have a clear opinion about why minimum wage shouldn’t be increased commensurate to the inflation related to cost of living expenses? Or are you just one of those grasping, “Fuck y’all, I got mine,” voters?
I am a vet and perm disabled. I can’t do a job that requires me to leave the house and have limited ability so have a special keyboard that allows me to create. But hey thanks for calling me lazy and fat. Nice assumption.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Noone said anything about free. I would, however, much prefer to be able to buy the item I like in the color I want it for whatever reasonable price the seller decides is fair, instead of having to get lucky on a random number generator just to buy something. I’m annoyed by the blend of gambling and shopping not by the income of the creator. Charge 500L instead of 50 but let me walk out with the item i wanted.
Let’s all be honest with ourselves and agree that the quality of the arcade items have drastically declined. Hell yeah I’m gonna go to a yard sale over the actual event when you’re NOT even trying to be unique and original or make something worth my desire to sink thousands of linden into. Sorry not sorry.
Why so salty? Nobody is forcing you to pay up. It’s a completely optional donation for those who WANT to support the event, not a 2500L$ entrance fee.
Everybody wants stuff. Nobody wants to pay for stuff.
Thanks for being consistent, guys.
The amount of bs artists have to deal with on a daily basis is ridiculous. Everyone wants something a creator has spend hours making but no one wants to pay for it. The play price of each gacha literally costs pennies. No one is forcing you to play more than once. Instead of spending your time bashing and calling them “greedy” for wanting decent money for something they’ve worked hard on making, why don’t you try making something yourself? Maybe then you’ll start appreciating other artists more.
Well, here’s the thing, though. I work hard, too. In RL. I’m a single mom who works a fulltime+ job, and have very little money for anything considered ‘fun’ or ‘entertainment’. What little there is normally is spent on my kids. I budget my SL lindens very carefully and SL is a great hobby and source of amusement…an escape if you will. So, what to you seems like a paltry $.25, does add up. Four of those is a dollar, right? 40 of them? There goes my weekly budget of lindens. Which is why I’m pretty careful about what I pull, if anything, at Arcade. I find it funny that SL creators seem to believe that they’re the only ones who work ‘hard’. Those of us who are also working in RL work hard, also, and it’s really no fun to feel like your hard -earned pennies are being ripped off. And more and more, gachas feel like ripoffs to me.
So basically you have a very limited budget. So creators should what give you their stuff free? This is exactly the entitlement I am taking about. If you don’t have much money don’t spend it on hobby virtual items!! You can still have fun in SL without spending. Stop expecting a creator who is also only making 6 bucks an hour and feeding their family make less so you can have “more”.
lolololol. It’s creators and consumers TOGETHER who decide an item’s value, not the creator alone. If no one buys your crap, it’s worth nothing, no matter how many hours you’ve put into it. And no one cares if the content creator was lucky enough to turn their virtual hobby into a wage earner. The people playing and paying deserve no less respect than the ones creating and profiting. Entitlement is a funny way to put it. The consumer acts entitled because they don’t want to pay more? But by that logic, isn’t the creator acting entitled by expecting or demanding more? And 6 bucks an hour is a lot for someone who either wouldn’t be working otherwise, or would have to leave home, incurring transportation costs as well as others just to have a job. It’s also a highly debatable number. You would have to closely monitor that creators hours to even be able to say that. How much time is logged as social time and how much time is purely creation time? If a content creator is studious and efficient that number is nowhere near 6 dollars an hour. This isn’t even aimed specifically at gacha/gatcha events. You want a good example…take luxebox. I no longer have the numbers at hand to look at, but 12 designers and the “low introductory price” of 1k l’s, with thousands of joiners paying that fee, and before cash-out fees, each designer had to have ended up with somewhere between 1200 and 1500 us dollars at the end of the event. Some designers made more than one item, other’s just made one item in a few different colors. How many hours do you think they spent on the 1-2 items that they made 1200-1500 dollars on? They certainly didn’t spend all month on… Read more »
You are telling me that six bucks an hour is a lot for me? Do you have any idea what my medical bills are, home care help? Fuck you. How much an hour do you earn and what is your job?
Looking at the items and being a creator myself, I would say the wearable people spent lowest end 3 days (Flowy as hers was very basic and the shoes and hair) through to 5 – 6 days (the Fat Pack items as they did lots of textures and house etc).
It must suck to be in that event and be one of the more work intensive creators, you are basically carrying the effort of the income and probably making less.
I also heard a rumor the organizer takes 10-30 pct of the profit before the creators even see a penny?
Get off your fat ass and get a real job then degrade those of us that have them and you make money off until then keep your big fat mouth shut dick sucker.
Your mother must be proud of you calling people names on the Internet. What’s your RL job? One hopes it is not relating to dealing with people’ and I suspect you don’t excel!
Welcome to the real world. Everyone thinks just because they set up their Netgear router at home that they can do the kind of work I can do. I get people everyday telling me everyday that. That’s just how it is.
Same old. Most creators don’t make minimum wage and some lucky ones do get a bit above that. Stop being entitled jerk offs. If you can’t afford to pay 25 cents for an items go and spend your money on something more suitable! Second Life is NOT mandatory you know!!
I’m sorry but no. It may be 25 cents or whatever per pull, but all of those thousands and thousands of pulls add up quickly. Many of the Arcade designers make THOUSANDS of dollars. Some have made enough in one round to pay rent for a year or go on luxury vacations and you see them bragging about how much they made on places like Plurk. Then you have designers like Tyr who take it to another level by doubling her machine price from 50 to 100L per pull most times and still bitches that she’s not making enough money. I’m sorry but that is GREED.
Hate to break it to you but if Tyr wants to price her gatcha pull at 100L or 1000L that’s her deal. She has every right to value her time/energy in creating a product. If you don’t like it, don’t pull the gatcha.
I am not sure where everyone thinks creators pull ‘bank’ in Second Life. In SL’s hey-dey when they were all over the news and companies had sims all over the grid I had designer friends who made a nice living wage (which was about what the average salary is in the US) and if you took that wage and divided it by the time they spent at the PC it essentially came out to about 5-6 USD an hour. Which was minimum wage.
I am sure people make a living wage or even more in SL, but at what cost? They have to deal with microtransactions all day, a system that doesn’t support content creators (or users even!), and the possibility that their job might not be here tomorrow. So with that in mind, if someone wants to price their gatcha at 100L more power to them, their time/energy is worth 30 cents to me.
Because they do pull bank. Just take 30 minutes and analyze just the Lux group and how much it banked. It was about $1200 and I’m going lower here for the 12 designers. Yes, fine they lose funding when they transfer it out of sl and yes they probably pay lots of taxes on it because they have to file it as self-employed. That doesn’t mean that they do not make revenue. If they didn’t they would be leaving SL. Yet you have creators that have spent 8 years creating and still do. If something’s not profitable and you see a lot of expense you pull out as many have.
Look let’s not defend them or bash them. The Arcade is a catch 22 for them. They personally would rather sell the items in the store because it drives traffic up to their store, but they know that if they go to the Arcade they are bound to get $500 in USD quite fast if not $1000 or above. So they choose to play in the game and go to the events for gachas and unique items.
Guess what if they didn’t sell there they’d leave as some do overtime. You know where the power lies? Not in them, but in us consumers. Want them to stop making for Arcade? Stop going to the Arcade and stop contributing it to it. Believe me eventually the organizers will get the message and close up.
Are you serious? Pay for luxury vacations? No, that’s not the reality. If anyone is able to make that kind of money to pay rent for a year or go on luxury vacations, it’s obviously nobody I know. It would be an extremely small percent of designers who are able to make that kind of buck. Most of us are barely making it. Some of us are lucky enough to make 3k from Arcade sometimes. You think that will pay the rent for a year? Big bucks… I wish, lady.
Personally I’m tired of gachas. I buy them yes, I’m a sucker like most everyone else for super cute things. I think that giving an exclusive item after 50 pulls is crazy. I’ve done the math for 50 and 100L. If the items were more affordable MAYBE? but I don’t think so. I know designers and creators work hard on their creations. I’m not upset about that, but I am upset that on some gacha’s it so incredibly hard to get one of everything. YES I understand it’s a game of chance and luck. Are the machines going to be THAT much harder, are they going to crank up the odds (or crank they down?) so it’s harder to get the prizes you do want to gurantee that people will play 50 times. I hope not. I hope the creators of the Arcade reconsider the 50 pull. I think the 20 pull at Gacha Garden is ridiculous too by the way. 5 to 10 yes, but 20 or more no thanks. IF I play the Arcade this round I know there’s nothing I WANT that bad that I’d dump 5000L (at 50L a pull) into ONE machine. I just don’t understand why whoever wants to be that greedy. Who gets that extra linden? The creators? Does that linden get split with the people of the Arcade? Who knows? I love the idea behind gachas, and things like that, but it’s gotten to be so frustrating to want to play them. Then you get those that farm the machines and put it all out on MP and make more money. It’s frankly just overdone. Gacha’s need to go away.
50 pulls at L$50/pull = L$2,500
lol Okay so my math sucks, but still 2500L is to much! hahahaha ty for the correction. 🙂
I find it funny that people are saying “Omg L$2500 is barely a cup of coffee stop being so greedy, creators need money too!”, yet just a short time ago, there were creators screaming bloody murder over being charged L$5000 for some event. Hypocrites much?
Ehhhhhhh #9 is so mixed bag. There’s no problem with making stuff to represent a disability or making it colorful but the woman has a bleeding trach and is holding a cigarette. Come on, guys, that’s tacky to put on the ad. If someone did a photo shoot like that it’s one thing but on the ad? Taaaacky.
#9 Everyone else has always been okay with eye patches, wheelchairs, self-mutilation marks, bruises, beatings, violent wounds, sickness etc… not one peep but now someone is offended? The only thing I think worth being offended of is the children avatars wearing bikinis and crotchless panties… not this.
God quit kissing their ass already it looks pathetic. Or is the secret about your crappy store?
So if someone doesn’t agree with you means it’s the store owner who’s everywhere.
Bro we should all ask her to make brain next time so you go get one for yourself.
There’s nothing wrong with this shit, stop being sensitiv because of a fucking pixel item.
Go worry about the pedo fucking their toddlers kidz, furries trying to fuck everything or even zoophile dudes. You all mad and need to worry about important shits instead of this.
Why hiding a disease tho, if she wanna show it or make stuff for people who are proud no matter their condition, let it be and fucking stop being a drama bitch.
if someone wana use it for rp, for pride, for the lol, or for the fashion i doubt its going to change your life
at least she’s being creative and if she wanna smoke while she has breath failure, its her life. Some people won’t let go the cigarette even if they about to die.
I doubt you go to a prego woman whos smoking in the street and tell her to quit cuz she’s being disgusting for the baby. And we all know we should. But its easier to be a social hero on internet and having opinion on everything, even when there is no necessity for it, while in your life you probably shut your mouth.
Grow up dude, it’s sl
1. i’m not a creator, so i didn’t rejected by the arcade – but i still think it’s an annoying, money grubbing cash grab. also, i think people who pay out for a lame certificate (that id send straight to the trash) and their name on a fountain (that no one will look at) are dumb. “friend of the arcade” haha
2. perhaps it’s considered offensive and tacky because it’s clearly being used as a fashion statement – i mean the person has a fucking cigarette in her hand! it’s hilarious that you of all people are defending it when you’re always the first person to grab a pitchfork over every other slight offense.
I am not sure why No. 9 is considered offensive. Perhaps it is a desire to allow people to present themselves as they are. Some people who are disabled prefer to have their avatar reflect that. They do not feel disability is something to be ashamed of and hide. It’s true that most people do not color coordinate trach tubes with their wardrobe, that is frivolous, but is it offensive? I don’t think so.
A trach tube is not offensive in and of itself, but there’s something inherently disrespectful about these are presented. And it’s not the colors. People can absolutely have fun with their medical devices. My favorite depiction of a wheelchair in SL to date poofed rainbows as exhaust. It was awesome. And yes, it was piloted by a person who was disabled IRL.
By the same token, I have a cousin who has hemophilia and uses a cane. I don’t know if he has a House-style cane with flames on it, but he totally needs one. (When I told him this, he mentioned that he actually did dress up as Dr. House for Halloween one year. My cousin rocks.)
No, it’s not the colors. It’s the fact that the rare one — the one designed to be the most sought-after item in the set — is *bleeding.* I think that might be where this crosses the line into some sort of fetish.
People can, even should, make a fashion statement out of their disabilities, because it destigmatises them (and it’s fun). Fetishizing them, however, is kinda messed up.
It’s free speech. Stop trying to censor shit and just don’t buy it if you don’t like it.
Americans seem obsessed with political correctness.
@Trokel: It’s not us American’s that are obsessed with political correctness. Most of us are considered ignorant racist assholes. We cannot be both. 😉
The rest of this comment is general and not directed at Trokel:
The trach thing is what it is. I don’t think it’s disrespectful, it’s a little odd – blood seeping off one – color matching… Not my kind of style but then I won’t buy it. People do have fetishes like this and that is their business. If SL is a haven for furries and other fetishes than why can’t it be a haven for this one?
I have clearly been watching too much Rachel maddow recently?
It can be, and there’s nothing wrong with (most) fetishes.
It’s also not wrong to react negatively to certain things. It’s definitely not wrong to point out that extremely tacky images are extremely tacky.
Stop trying to censor disgust, Trokal. It’s free speech. Geez. Even us furries have our personal limits.
#8 Sounds like you just mad she got more game then you. Why do I see so many stupid secrets about people and their sex lives. Get your own lives instead of crying someone else gets more then you.
#9 How is that a disability? You mean something that people have to get typically because they fucking smoked their whole lives? Are you gonna tell all the stores that have artificial limbs how shameful they are for making stuff for amputees because that’s a disability too. Or how about albinism, that’s seen as a disability and stigmatized as well. Or blindness, or self harm. The list could go on.
How about you don’t buy it, and move on. However, people who do horror photography might have use for it.
More-so, go get mad about real fashion photography taking high fashion pictures of girls in bondage in wheelchairs instead of some pixel accessory.
Actually, people don’t only get trachs from smoking. That is one way yes, but they also get them from spinal cord injuries that leave them quadriplegics and unable to breathe or swallow on their own. Others also need them in emergency situations where their airways are compromised.
The fact of the matter is that this particular item is just in bad taste and doesn’t belong in a Kawaii event.
SaNaRae is a kawaii event? I bought some scarification there last month. I don’t see “Kawaii” listed as a descriptor for that event. It’s not at Kawaii Project.
If you could read, mind you, I stated ” that people have to get typically because they fucking smoked their whole lives”. That wasn’t a statement that said only because.
Again, if you don’t like it don’t buy it.
Bahahaha insecure bitches trying to monopolize the market ALWAYS cry copy.
#9 I could see this being used as an RP item, but to have it in a gatcha, and the way it’s presented is pretty disgusting.
Always the same things at every event, it’s become boring and predictable. Especially any event with the word “Fantasy” in it. How many more wings, revealing armor, Gorean silks, tribal tattoos, braided hair, Japanese kimonos, body chains, and septum piercings do we need? Yawn.
#3 The only thing you’re getting is that dumb ass virtual certificate to place on your wall in your shitty lil virtual house and… your name “Immortalized” on a super awesome fountain for everyone to see!
#4 Those ‘stupid people’ (whom are all brown nosing asshats just hoping they will be plucked out of obscurity by the owners and elevated above others to gain better access and privileges… little do they know or care to realize, the owners are themselves asshats of the supreme order and will step on… repeatedly… anyone and everyone in order to squeeze an extra cent out of them… treating everyone they come in contact with like tools to be used… but with a fake smile… oh wait, no it’s a real smile because they are enjoying using your ass), well… all their names will be stuck on that super awesome fountain for all to see… so now you’ll know exactly who are the brown nosers!
Gotta love that money grubbing virtual gambling den of vipers… go ahead and pull each machine 50 times now, you know you gotta get that extra special item! (As the owners yet again trample any gesture the content creators tried to give by offering people that were pulling multiple times something extra… even though they are all pretty much upping the price per pull anyway… woot what fun in the arcade, get in there and gamble… I mean play)
The incentives are such a good move for the creators since yardsales are in fact hurting arcade sales a whole lot. It’s gotten to a point where it’s almost not worth all the work and agony of making several individual items just to have other people undercut your machine at yardsales while arcade is still going on. It makes sense too, I get it; why would I play a machine multiple times when I can go to a yardsale and just get what I want and save money.
You’re really determined to see anything the Arcade does as being greedy, but it’s a business. If you want a world where everything is honky dory, go play Minecraft or something. People make a living in SL and have a right to keep that going. Move on and stop being so angry.
If a creator doesn’t want their gatcha items to be sold in yardsales, they can make them no transfer, no? And if their sales go down because of it, that’s their own damn fault. Fact is, if you want people to play multiple times in an effort to get a rare or even just a particular item, then you’re going to have to deal with them selling the extras.
No one wants to keep ten of the exact same teacup dog wearable or whatever. If you don’t want them selling extras, stop making gatchas and go back to doing regular items where shoppers can buy the exact piece they want. I have zero sympathy for these primadonna creator bitches who cry at the idea of people trying to recoup losses from their machines which they set at at 5% or 10% rare chance to get them to play more. Fuck you.
Actually, creators cannot make the items no-trans. Rules for Arcade and pretty much every other gacha event on the grid stipulate items must be transfer only.
I’m so about this comment.
Going to rant a little more, because this is a topic that actually bothers me, despite there being no good reason for it to: Newsflash: Most of the people who go to yardsales to hunt down one particular color or style of a gatcha weren’t going to play ten or twenty or fifty times to get that item in the first place. You’re not losing sales, because they were never going to spend that much. They wanted to spend 50L to get the item and be done with it. If there were no yardsales, chances are they might play once or twice, maybe five times, and then give up or try to trade with a friend. There are more people than you think who only play gatchas if they like every single item in a machine and who won’t play if they only want one item. If there were no yardsales, or gatchas were no transfer, the people who currently are the ones playing a machine dozens of times likely wouldn’t do it. They feel confident in their ability to recoup their losses by selling off their extras or selling rares for higher prices. They see gatchas as an investment, because scoring that one popular rare will make serious bank. Take away the option to recoup and sales of gatchas will tank hard and fast, because anyone who doesn’t have a serious gambling addiction will see that getting nothing but an inventory full of copies you’ll need to delete is absolutely idiotic. You want gatcha events to succeed? You want to make thousands of dollars off of Arcade? You’re going to have to deal with the fact that yardsales are part of the package. And by the way, the whole ‘Friends of the Arcade’ and the non-transferrable ‘Play 50 times’… Read more »
The arcade owners are greedy bastards. Period.
umm.. how does paying the arcade owners to be a “friend of the arcade” in any way benefit the creators or do anything to combat yardsales?
It doesn’t. The “friend of the arcade” and the 50 pull extra prize is just another desperate attempt to money grab. It’s absurd really.
Well it’s like this, if they ever cut out the yard sales I will never ever ever go to the arcade. I’ve never been and will never go.
not sure what business or marketing school you went to, but yard sales in no way effect sales at Arcade. The item is already bought and paid for, the creator got their cut.
Suck and gachaholic:
You are clearly both a bit lacking in the brains department so read this S L O W L Y because it works like this: If people go to yardsales to buy Arcade items *rather* than the Arcade event itself then the Arcade/Arcade creators are missing out on those sales, you idiots.
nononono is 100% correct and you two dodo’s are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Hundreds, if not thousands of (smart) people, are quite happy to forsake “rares” rather than lose thousands of Lindens only to end up with multiples of crap we don’t want. Those with smarts, unlike you two morons, have been going to yardsales to pick and choose exactly what we want for quite some time.
haha, having to make your name “SmarterThanYou” to make your point is laughable. When you actually take a business class, come back and talk.
I’m guessing the Arcade is here or about to start because the drama and “oh no yard sales kill Arcade business” is floating around secrets again.
Just FYI, I shop at yardsales. I do not go to the Arcade. If there were no yardsales, I would still not go to the Arcade. I can live with out those items from the gachas. The designers are not losing out on any money I personally spend. I have no idea if it is that way for everyone else shopping for resales, as I can only speak for myself.
Well some of the yard sale shoppers will never shop at the arcade so your reasoning doesn’t quite add up all the way.
I am one of those people who will never end up at the Arcade. I hate Gachas, I hate how much money gets put into those things and I will never support them. If I want something that was in a Gacha, I browse the Marketplace and it’s generally there. I buy it, I’m done. Nothing wrong with that.
Okay Full of BS you can join your friends Suck and Gachaholic in the ‘dumb as a brick’ club because you’ve missed my point, you dumbass. I told you to read S L O W L Y, geez! One more time for the dummies:
If people shop at yardsales *rather* than The Arcade, then The Arcade is missing out on those purchases they would have otherwise had. Since you have a severe comprehension problem, go back and read that sentence again.
My point is that many, many people don’t bother with playing gacha at The Arcade anymore. They go to yardsales *instead* ffs. Now contact a lawyer so you can sue your school for failing to teach you how to read, moron.
You’re completely wrong. The people who go to yardsales to hunt down one particular color aren’t the people who are willing to drop thousands of linden into a machine. If there were no yardsales, those people would go and try once, twice, perhaps five times to get what they want and then give up, if they even did that. There are more people than you think who won’t touch gatcha machines unless they like every single item in it.
Plus, you think the people trying 50+ times to get a rare or a full set would keep doing that if they had no chance to recoup their losses at a yardsale? No fucking way. No one needs ten of the exact same hair or whatever, and without yardsales to get rid of extras, the majority of people wouldn’t bother throwing away their money on the machines.
Creators who cry over yardsales are complete idiots for not realizing how many extra sales they get because of them. If they don’t want their items sold outside of the machines, they can make them no transfer or go back to doing regular releases.
I’m not sure how yardsales can be fully blamed for hurting the arcade considering in order for items to even be for sale at a yardsale, someone had to pay and play the original machine. So they’re still making bank on machine pulls.
It hurts Arcade sales because there are people who won’t even touch the Arcade because they’ll go to the yard sale. Creators get their money from the multiple pulls, so it’s not rocket science; if you have people who won’t play the machines at the arcade because they’re waiting for the item the want to show up at a yard sale, it hurts the creator financially because they’re not getting those random plays. They’re not in Arcade only because they want to give people a fun time of playing gachas. They’re trying to make money. So when more and more people don’t bother to play machines it starts to not be a financially viable thing anymore. And it’s not being greedy, it’s simply trying to make a decent living. You may think they’re “making bank” on machine pulls, but it’s not really accurate. It doesn’t always match up with all the time and effort put into creating a collection for the gacha.
You try working overtime and having someone say you made enough, you’re just being greedy because you would like to make a wage that befits the work you put in.
That’s the price you pay as a vendor when you distribute your product through a form of gambling. That’s why gachas are a gamble…it doesn’t always favor the house . If you don’t like to gamble stick to regular events; it’s sl all you are losing is your time and pixels since gacha machines can replicate indefinitely imagine if you actually had to buy your materials to make your items…
Said creators upset at gacha yard sales could do something drastic… like make shit that isn’t in a fucking gacha!! I think we’re all getting pretty tired of gachas everywhere and would rather just BUY THINGS outright. End rant.
sorry but anyone who participates in arcade (or any large gacha event really) and has something even somewhat popular makes MAJOR bank. way more than they do at say collabor88 or fameshed. that’s why creators have all jumped on board the gacha thing.
I’m sorry but do the creators not get the money in the first place from the person who placed the item for sale at a yardsale? Are creators THAT greedy? That’s pretty disheartening. I for one will go to both as I enjoy the machine play itself. However, its not like we are taking away money from the creator.. they were already paid for the item. Lets be real here.
It’s greedy to want to have a decent payout when you’ve worked a month on something non stop, from the moment you wake up until the moment you sleep because you’re trying to make your bills and save money?? Are you greedy for asking for extra money when you work overtime at your job? Arcade is huge event. It’s not like a monthly event where you put in normal work hours. Have you actually looked at some of the collections that are made? They’re not just one object recolored over and over. Some are several individual items that take days just to model and then after all that you have to texture it. It’s hard work. So don’t minimize that with saying they’re greedy because they would rather people play the machines.
I haven’t seen one creator post on these secrets being pissy over anything. So name names and give links where said moaning has occurred or purl ease just quit moaning!
I know s few do get pissy so no issue with name and shame if there is proof!
As someone who creates things in SL, I agree that it is hard work… its more than a full time job sometimes. As someone who has also had gacha’s for events (not Arcade as I’m not fantastic at mesh… yet), I know you make more than just a decent amount of money if you are a creator participating in the arcade (even with yardsales), because I have made a surprising amount from a few gacha’s elsewhere. Gacha’s are in a way a scam and very addictive. It’s a gamble and sometimes it takes over 5k linden just to get that amazing item you just had to have. Lets say that item is a house… I know I would never pay 5k linden for a house in second life, more like a max of 2k linden. But because it was a gacha, and you keep telling yourself ‘i’m gonna get this bitch next pull… i can feel it’ you are… well… determined. GATCHA BITCH is how it feels sometimes! Am I right? So, as a person who also plays gacha’s (I recently dished out over 5k linden on a stupid house I wanted) I can say, there is no way in hell you are going to tell me not to try to get some of my money back. Hell, I have 20 of a stupid stuffed animal I don’t even want now… all because I needed that house. In fact, if I was not able to resale some of this stuff, I would not dish out as much as I do at times. Wouldn’t it then be safe to assume that many people would feel the same way? Are you really loosing money then? Also, no one is forcing you to make your items into gacha’s. If you don’t want them… Read more »
Thats pretty well said. I don’t really like gatchas. To be honest, I’d in some cases rather spend the double amount of money on a *common* Item I could choose, than playing a gatcha for the half amount and getting only the *rares* I don’t give a flying fuck about.
It certainly is greed when creators are getting pissy because their objects are landing in the yardsale. So in other words.. you ( I assume you are a creator since you seem to be so offended to the thought of a yardsales) So.. say I go to machine, pull 50 some odd times.. which in turn gives you – the creator – based on a price of 50L a pull; 2,500L of mine. Ok cool.. I ended up with some great stuff I was dying to get.. however I also ended up with say 30 of the same exact things. So I go to a yardsale and put them at a price at which I pulled. Now you got your 2,500L from me.. so what you are saying now is that it is wrong for me to go try to earn some of my money back from the endless amounts of copies i obtained. Cool. All makes sense now! I should just let them pile into my inventory because you think its not ok to do that. Now please.. go on and tell me how the creator is missing out on money? Did they not obtain that 50L originally from me? So are they really losing something? If creators are so dang concerned then maybe make the odds a bit better instead of giving us 50 of the same damn thing pull after pull. If I ever hear right from a creators mouth they do not approve of yardsalesI will never shop at their store again and they lose my 2500-4000L I was going to put into their machine. Fair enough? I think so! And yes dear, I have indeed looked at all the machine in the arcade I am a huge spender and a huge fan of the event.… Read more »
I never said I hate yard sales. I support them full heartily. That is the spirit of gacha and the huge drawing point of playing. My point this whole time has been that the new incentives for the machines aren’t a greedy move at all, but rather one that could help creators with getting more sales. Now if you think trying to make as much money on something you worked day and night on is greedy, so be it. I never said we don’t get money from your extra pulls or that you don’t have a right to sell them. What I take issue with is the whole “that’s so greedy” argument. Trying to make a living isn’t greedy. You enjoy the items we make for you? Great! But don’t put us down and minimize our worth with saying we made enough, who dare we try to make more than what I’m willing to give you. Those extra pulls that we could get from people who go straight to the yard sales could put food on the table or pay a medical bill. We’re not off buying mansions and diamonds. We’re not millionaires or even close to a 6 digit income. We’re all just trying to make a living. That’s it. Not trying to pull the wool over your eyes and take every cent you have.
You should have been around when yard sales first started. There were several incidents of store owners not liking yard sales. There was even drama at a yard sale when a store owner had a public melt down.
And sorry my agrees was for the person above “nononono”‘s comment. I anything but agree with you nononono,
Were you rejected from the Arcade or perhaps you just aren’t up to scratch to get invited? You seem incredibly bitter. That level of anger normally comes from rejection or jealousy.
Perhaps you should spend a few months improving yourself, and realize life can be happy.
how can you possibly be this upset over something you have nothing to do with and in no way are forced to do? I don’t want to donate so I’m not going to. then I’m gonna go about my day. crazy notion, huh?